Nokia N800 discontinued?
 

When the N810 came out, we got the word that the N800 would continue its life parallel to it. However:

-I checked this morning on the German Nokia shop, and it is not listed any more
-I checked on the French Nokia shop and they say "last pieces!".
-on the Finish, Spanish, Belgian or Dutch sites, the buy link links to a dead page on the direct order European general site
-it has been listed as "not available" or "delivery time unknown" in various other German shops

It is still available on the US, UK and Italian Nokia web shops, however. But for how long?

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No idea, but i'm going to wait for a fire sale and then buy another 3 units :D

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I'm fairly certain that N800 was discontinued pretty much at the moment the N810 was released. When that happened the N800 prices plummeted and soon after that they disappeared from the stores. It does make sense to drop the N800 production, because N800 and N810 are quite similar in hardware, but N800 had half the price. It was way too good a deal at the end. This way they can drive the sales of N810 while the software updates keep existing N800 owners happy.

Now I'm waiting for the next IT to come out so I can buy a N810 half free :)

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Again, that is not true. The N800 was designed to be priced lower down the scale, with the N810 being a higher-end device (GPS, smaller form factor, hardware keyboard) priced higher up the scale.

Both devices have specific target segments, so the N810 was never meant to be a replacement for the N800, merely an alternative with fundamental differences in use cases.

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but the N810 doesnt support 2x16GB SDHC cards!

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You should be able to stick two 32 GB SDHC cards into the N800 once they become generally available. :) The N800 is such a different beast than the N810 because of it's copious amounts of available internal storage (both devices could mount external storage via USB OTG, but that isn't quite the same).

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Yes, as mentioned the N810 is targeted at a different market base. To be honest, I think the N800 is more a geek device than the N810.

Why? Take for example the GPS and keyboard. Geeks are generally more adept at setting up connections to external bluetooth devices, whereas people who just 'want things to work right out of the box' would prefer a built-in GPS and not have to configure anything.

Likewise, geeks are generally more inclined to pecking at virtual keyboards and using handwriting recognition, whereas having a hardware keyboard makes the NiT so much more palatable for the typical consumer.

Perhaps through market studies, Nokia has identified that its target market is less inclined to use 2 SD cards, especially with 2Gb of on-board memory, compared the 256MB that's built into the N800. By using a miniSDHC card slot instead of a full-sized SDHC, Nokia was also able to reach out to a consumer market that is exposed to such types of media today (e.g. how many 'normal' people do you know have SDHCs, compared to people who have miniSDs?), as opposed to the geeks who would happily source for SDHC cards which aren't commonly used today (e.g. most digital cameras are either on CF or miniSD these days)

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Whether the N810 is targetted at a different base or not, it has been taken out of some Nokia web sites. So it seems that Nokia is not interested in keeping 2 separate lines.

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Odd that this should be happening. Whatever the case may be, I hope they stick with the platform. I think the N800s have a lot of potential in the commercial space, especially in areas like retail (imagine a sales assistant being able to do an item lookup for you, show you an image of the item, locate stores that have it in stock, and then you being able to make a reservation for the item, all in the span of 5 minutes) - a Windows Mobile device could do it, but then again, Windows Mobile devices aren't anywhere as cool as NiTs.

If Nokia were smart, they would start making this available as an option in the enterprise market segments, or at better prices to people implementing this in various environments. The N800 has a lot of unrealised promise, and at the right price point (something that Nokia needs to work on), they could have a volume seller on their hands.

Once prices fall, I can see people snapping this up. I know I will probably get a couple of units, and if I can find an investor, perhaps consider 50 to 100 units for the motorsport application I am working on -- it makes an excellent all-in-one system (PMP, GPS Navigation, Motorsport Performance Analytics, Mobile Internet Device, etc) at a very fair price (sub-$300)

Ideally, I would like to customize the UI into something more like Canola, which would make the overall user experience that much less complex. But first things first ;)

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I think it was more than obvious that Nokia would drop the N800 after the N810 was released.

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Really, how so? What were the signs?

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I didn't see the N810 'replacing' the N800 in any way. The slide out keyboard was just a conformist thing in my view. Its been around for a while in various cell phone/pda formats. recent example: HTC6800 from Bell Canada.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...o2/htc6800.jpg

I specifically bought the N800 'because' it didn't use the ol qwerty in hardware and because of the dual sd slots .....and because it wasn't a cell phone too. ;)

Back on key topic here, I was personally promoting the N800 to a group of Buddhists as a mobile devotional tool to use with their spiritual videos, audio files and various images of their teachers etc.
The price point for the N800 now at about $250ish was perfect and the device showed them great potential as well for those that were traveling(ie ashrams and yoga centers) because of the wi-fi at hotels etc.


Again this speaks to our other discussion threads about realistic supported lifespans of these products. I mean please! The N800 is hardly a year old product. That's disgraceful if they have already discontinued.

Coming back to my salesmanship with the Buddhist community I know. Nokia in their fickle and fast forward manner here are missing out on the fruits of the 'paradigm' they were apparently cultivating with this product.

I might have had anywhere from 20- 200 units sold for them in short term if the group really identified with this wonderful tool in a context they could really use. The numbers could have been much bigger, depending on the snowball effect.

So, people like me who were setting up sales for no other reason than sincere interest in our platform and product will back off completely. and drop any interest in such efforts. GOOD WORK NOKIA. 'you just killed your free sales force.'


....crap.... now to find a better supplier.....oh where is that HP link?......hmmmm....grmbl grmbl......windows mobile blah....apple makes me choke on the seeds!....lost to more product hunting. :rolleyes:

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its a great product... but a $200 n810 would be fine!

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It wasn't obvious at all that the N800 should be dropped just because the N810 came out. As has been said above, the one doesn't replace the other, and we were all busy back then pointing out how the two covered a different feature set.

In short, no reason to ditch the N800 production. Palm, for example, never ditched a model just because they started producing a new one, even with overlapping feature sets - the individual models all got a lifetime of up to several years (good for me, or I wouldn't have been able to buy a T3 when I did.. and without it I wouldn't have become a Palm customer, the newer models didn't appeal to me.)

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Well if you are familiar with Nokia's way to sell products i.e. mobile phones, it's not a miracle. N810 has been developed on the basis of N800, so there is no reason why to continue manufacturing the old product. That's just the way it is.

N800 price was intentionally reduced just a few weeks before N810 hit the market, so that people would buy the old equipment away.

I really can't blame Nokia for this, cos' that's the way to make money for the shareholders. And if you compare this action i.e. to Apple - it's all the same.

But I agree that there is a certain kind of philosophical difference between N810 and N800, that might mislead people to think N800 would continue.

For the future: it's absolutely sure that next Nokia's ITT model will replace N810. :)

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You can still get N770's. So I'm sure you will be able to get a n800 for at least a couple more months. I think I'm going to buy one for my kids grandma (my mom).

I'll set it up before hand. That way we can email or video chat at any time with no problem. And it's totally easy to use.

As for the n810, it's soon to be replaced by that new black model. I expect n800's to drop to $150, n770 gone for good, n810's to drop to $250 and the new one on top at $350. Where's the harm in that? One SD slot? Buy a card with twice the capacity. Who cares?

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This topic again???

Don't confuse a change in purchasing policy by retailers with discontinuation of devices.

I'm not saying either is happening, but still...

I think that, in general, those days are gone.

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Is this speculation, fact or conjecture? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would like to understand the basis of your statement. That "Apple does it, so Nokia does it too" argument doesn't fly with me, and it is typical for companies to drop the price of one product when an advanced model comes along is common sense.

The difference between the N800 and N810 lies in what the target audience want -- built-in GPS and a hardware keyboard, smaller form factor and a miniSDHC slot instead of 2 full-sized SDHC slots. It is inconclusive that the N800 will be discontinued just because of this. If this were the case, then people would be quick to point out that Apple is discontinuing the ipods and the ipod shuffle because of the iPod Touch. Clearly that is not the case, and has not been for years, because Apple knows that the some market segments are prepared to trade bulk for capacity.

The N800 might be discontinued, but not for the reasons you cite.

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Well, Nokia sells more phone models than just one, so why not two (or more) tablets?

That's plain dumb IMO. Who would take seriously platform with just one model? Nokia needs more models and it needs them yesterday.

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Those days were gone 15 years ago :D

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Exactly. That's why so many of us (wrongly, as it seems now) were telling people not to worry, Nokia won't produce only a single model at the time.

Therefore, I also disagree with nahkiainen.

And as to this:
>Those days were gone 15 years ago
@ghoonk: That's patently false. Those days _may_ be gone now, but they certainly weren't gone a couple of years ago. And I still fail to see why producing more than one model (as long as they appeal to different people) would hurt shareholders (I'm back to arguing against nahkiainen again..) - and Nokia itself is the strongest argument here, with their _huge_ phone model range.

Then again, I've never managed to understand what exactly goes on in the heads of marketing CEOs..

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Totally agree with you there. Lets all take note of Blackberry or my earlier example of HP. Both companies have multiple products and variations.
HP has notably more than one WIndows Mobile 'device' in both cell phone/pda formats and interestingly a number of 'configurations' in pure tablet style pda as our N series.




EDIT: HP example of PDA tablet style. (non cell phone).

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...me=storefronts

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Of course it makes sense to market more than one device in a platform or class simultaneously. However (and I am NOT quoting plans or policy here) on the other hand tablets cannot quite yet be compared with phones this way... at least, not until the platform stabilizes at device iteration 5 (or so).

That said, I would expect the N800 to be sold at least until the next iteration appears. Again, just an assumption (and personal hope), not official.

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You and me think alike!
It only makes sense.

But, you know, the marketing folk at Nokia have lots more experience doing this sort of thing than I. Who would have expected three devices in this short time already?

Maybe they're wanting to bring some of that new-new-new phone release urgency to walkaround tablets. That would certainly be an edge they have over any computer manufacturer who ventures into this niche.

Roger

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At first.. I'm thinking doesnt affect me eitherway since I bought 4 last time it was on sale for $200 (Canadian) with free shipping from Dell. But a lack of an affordable / cheap line limits the market appeal and thus developing efforts, etc.

Take Nintendo Wii verseus Sony PS3 during launch to present... forced Sony to slash prices really early on to compete.. mind you Sony's PS3 is a long term investment more for Bluray than gaming.. the Bluray thing is more important to them then the PS3 gaming..

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Me too, that's why I am a bit confused here. Since nobody found that mysterious RX-48 on FCC site yet, we may be far from release of next tablet. Also the hardware of N800 a N810 is very similar so keeping N800 living should be cheap for Nokia so why to kill it and limit choice (and sales)?

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It may not take long to see RX-48 on FCC... ;)

As of the other part, building limited volume of *any* phone or IT is not suitable for Nokia style mass manufacturing. We all know that both N800, and even N810 volumes, are not that high yet. Keeping up two different product lines with two different stocks of components, etc., for "small quantity product" does not make economical sense. (Especially if the selling price of N800 is so much lower now.) I can see easily the drive to "kill" N800 to free manufacturing resources and boost up the N810 volume.

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Not an accurate analogy. The N810 is basically 100% hardware compatible with the N800 (the hardware keyboard being the most important difference), so if the N810 has support, so will the N800.

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You can compare this product to the Nokia Communicator product line. Every 2-3 years Nokia has announced a new version of Communicator and the old version has been buried with it.

1996 – Nokia 9000 (GEOS 16-bit OS)
1998 – Nokia 9110 (GEOS)
2000 – Nokia 9210 (Symbian OS 6.0)
2002 - Nokia 9210i
2004 – Nokia 9500 (Symbian OS 7.0)
2005-2006 - Nokia 9300/9300i (Symbian OS 7.0)
2007 – Nokia E90 (Symbian OS 9.2)

Got the point?

And it's not always about implementing some features JUST because the target audience wants it. Example Nokia implemented GPS also to the newest Communicator E90. Well Communicator 9500 didn't have it. Nor did 9300/9300i. All of them are for business use.

Why would Nokia manufacture 2 almost similar products simultaneously, when they know that you would be as happy with N810 that you are with N800. It costs money and they don't want to spend it.

Of course Nokia will have support for N800 for along time, but you won't see brand new N800 devices in the future. Because they are not two different products.

I don't know why you cry about this? If there will be a new ITT device after 2-3 years, I'm sure it will have lot of new features like wimax etc. You can use your N800 till' that day.

And generally I think that lifetime for all consumer IT products incl. mobile phones is about 2-3y anyway.

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The point is you can expand your market base by offering a horizontal line offering at varying price points / features.. the larger the market the larger the appeal for developers, etc.

Sticking with JUST the N810.. will limit you to someone willing / capable of spending within that price point.

Personally, at the currently over $400 price point of the N810.. I and other folks would start considering other options.. laptops.. phones, etc.

However, for $200 (N800 when on sale lately).. is much less than most notebooks and phones.. and offers a useful primary function of portable wifi web browsing..

As such.. my analogy with Wii and PS3.. though different vendors.. folks choosing value to serve the ultimate goal.. entertaining.. in that case..

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And depending on success of N810 and of course N800 Nokia will weight what to do with this ITT field. And that field is very narrow I'm afraid.

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Because they are not similar. Price is just as important feature as any technical detail... it's just like futures said, price differentiation is essential when you're maximizing profits.

The classic cafe example: the dozen different coffees available at the coffee shop aren't there because they are so different products, they're there so the coffee shop can ask 4€ from people who are prepared to pay that and 2€ from people who won't buy more expensive coffee...

Many of us are here because open source has the potential to change that game... Look at the long time some Zauruses have stayed alive. Internet Tablets aren't "free enough" yet of course, but if we had free wifi drivers, we'd be pretty close.

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Everybody seems to be assuming that Nokia will not replace the N800 with another better/cheaper low-end model. They make cheap phones too, so why not a cheap IT.

I don't know (anything) , but maybe they can see a way to make an even cheaper entry-level device for say $150...

Or maybe they are just going to refresh the N800 to use more common parts from the N810 - like the screen. We get a better N800 and they save money.

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Yea.. but if you haven't noticed, Nokia is selling electronic devices - not coffee. N800 is old model and you can't change it. So stop the BS. I will.

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Jussik's comments aren't BS. His analogy works, coffee, tablets, cars or what have you. It's an extremely broadly applicable analogy.

Also-- can't do anything with the N800??? Are you stoned?

EDIT: ok, just saw your edit. :D

But I still disagree. The N800 could be refreshed... into, say, an N801 or somesuch. Nothing to stop that at all.

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Future will show us.

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So can the past and present.

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I think we already know the past.

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Hm-m. I wonder if what we're seeing is preparation first for a Wimaxed N800 and then a Wimaxed N810.

Call them the N820 and N830.

No reason to keep the N800 around with a more powerful N820 out.

And we've all seen the photos of the putative N830.

Personally, I think one of the core strategies Nokia has been following is to price this device as low as possible to hit the sweet spot in electronic purchasers' buying. I mean, look at how much more expensive UMPC's are. I think they want to own the market as it grows up so that they'll make out like bandits when it grows explosively.

And maybe they're going to produce the N820 for less than the N800 by freezing the webcam a la the N810 (front side only) and doing whatever they did to the N810 when they added a GPS and a keyboard but didn't add any weight. Surely that means some things got consolidated . . .

I argue that one of the precepts of controlling the market is to get way out in front of your competition on the manufacturing learning curve. If you're working on your fourth or fifth generation when your competitor is on its first, you should be way ahead in the knowledge of what it takes to make things cheaper and more reliably.

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The point (missed) is that the past is a really good indicator of the future. In this case, we know from past experience that the comments made here about platforming are true-- and likely to remain true for some time. There is no getting around the benefits produced by economies of scale, long tail production, etc. Common sense stuff borne out by solid historical data.