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gultig 2006-04-03 20:11

The 2006 OS Gets A Name
 
From the maemo-announce list:
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Hello,

The maemo mistral (v2.0) roadmap is available at
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/roadmap.html

Please send all comments, questions, feedback to the dev list.

-maemo team
The roadmap for maemo-mistral contains some tasty new features to look forward to:

  • Telepathy - IM/VOIP Integration Framework
  • Farsight - Audio/Video Conferencing Framework
  • EDS - Contacts/Tasks/Calendar Framework
  • apt/dpkg/gnupg - Full Strength Application Installer (possibly with code signing)
  • gtkhtml - Lightweight HTML Renderer/Editor Widget (new browser, or just for help pages?)
  • galago - Presence for the Linux Desktop
  • gazpacho - UI Development Tool
  • support for python development with maemo SDK!!!!!!!!!!! (if you're not a programmer, even you can make regular maemo apps with this.)

Hedgecore 2006-04-03 20:23

So ya think this post earns me credit for being the first to dub it 'mistrial'? (Sounds lofty, I hope the implementation is better than what we saw with v2005)

NokNok770 2006-04-03 21:18

So when is the OS coming out? I take it we can update our 770 to run the new OS...and not have to buy new HW to do it. I will be pissed if that is the case.

gultig 2006-04-03 22:06

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Originally Posted by NokNok770
So when is the OS coming out? I take it we can update our 770 to run the new OS...and not have to buy new HW to do it. I will be pissed if that is the case.

It has been stated in several places that the 770 is the main(only?) target for the 2006 OS.

This rumor is just in regarding the date.
From the maemo-users mailing list:
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So,

Just back from mobile-monday here in Helsinki. And they had a speaker
from Nokia, Ari Virtanen. He detailed some plans for nokia to bring
internet to mobile. Just like phones have been brought mobile.

And what's nice is that he told us that the next OS update will be
available before summer (1H 2006 is still the timetable), and that the
major updates on there will be VoIP, as many of you know, but he told
that they will be bringing IM software also. So after the next update we
all will be having hopefully something that works a little better than gaim.

Sadly i didn't have the time to go talk with him and get some more
detailed answers but hopefully this will be enough for most of you.

Greets, Santeri Lindgren

Stickarm 2006-04-04 01:38

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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
So ya think this post earns me credit for being the first to dub it 'mistrial'? (Sounds lofty, I hope the implementation is better than what we saw with v2005)

Quote:

mistral: A dry cold northerly wind that blows in squalls toward the Mediterranean coast of southern France.
Maemo storms through Europe?

Hedgecore 2006-04-04 16:56

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Mistrial:
A trial that becomes invalid because of basic prejudicial error in procedure.
An inconclusive trial, as one in which the jurors fail to agree on a verdict.
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Mistral:
A dry cold northerly wind that blows in squalls toward the Mediterranean coast of southern France.
I don't think either of those evoke feelings of a kickass OS :)

fpp 2006-04-04 19:53

So now we know why maemo 2006 will be a little late : some of those finnish hackers have been knocking down "Pastis" on the Côte d'Azur and funboarding in those blasts of Mistral while we all believed they were coding away under three metres of snow :-)

rattis 2006-04-04 21:57

Glad I didn't take the sales-droid's advice Friday. The local Compusa droid said that the Nokia rep had been in and told them to warn the customers that the new os is coming out soon (as in the next couple of weeks), and to wait and buy it after they refresh the current stock with new units that had the new os.

varis 2006-04-04 21:58

Already made a few comments in my blog :-)

And hey, Python is great but let's not overhype it, ok? ;)

gnuite 2006-04-04 22:57

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Originally Posted by rattis
Glad I didn't take the sales-droid's advice Friday. The local Compusa droid said that the Nokia rep had been in and told them to warn the customers that the new os is coming out soon (as in the next couple of weeks), and to wait and buy it after they refresh the current stock with new units that had the new os.

rattis, I have been eagerly awaiting the next firmware upgrade since December, so you better not be pulling my leg, or so help me god...!

:)

Seriously, though, if a release within the next couple weeks includes half of what is on their road map, I will be impressed with the quantity of work that they've done in the past 3 months. But it's a road map, not a list of what's already done - do we even know if "Maemo 2.0" is the same as the 2006 OS? For all we know, Maemo 2.0 could be slated for 2007.

Still, I keep my fingers crossed, and I'm holding my breath! Don't let me down, Maemo devs - you guys rock!

Stickarm 2006-04-05 08:57

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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
I don't think either of those evoke feelings of a kickass OS

Yeah, sure enough. ...If I remember correctly, there is something about the mistral winds being mysterious and unpredictable, too.

Name aside, the road map does look good. I'm looking forward to the next firmware revision, but then I haven't even gotten around to doing the rsmmc memory expansion hack yet, so my 770 still has lots of room to grow.

fpp 2006-04-05 09:45

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Originally Posted by Stickarm
Yeah, sure enough. ...If I remember correctly, there is something about the mistral winds being mysterious and unpredictable, too.

Actually the urban legend around here is that Mistral follows a 3/6/9 rule -- ie it always blows for three, six or nine days at a time. The locals swear by it, but then they also have a reputation for liberal interpretation of reality (especially in Marseille :-)

varis 2006-04-05 14:00

My gut feeling indeed is that most Maemo 2.0 features won't be here until a late update to OS 2006... And as it's a roadmap for an OSS project it might take years before the hardware and software is ready for some of the features to be really useful. Certainly the new release will have some rather exciting new features and there is going to be new buzz when it hits the servers.

rattis 2006-04-05 17:28

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Originally Posted by gnuite
rattis, I have been eagerly awaiting the next firmware upgrade since December, so you better not be pulling my leg, or so help me god...!

:)

I learned long ago to not trust sales-droids. The same droid told me to have the newest OS installed would require mailing the device back to Nokia. I could tell you the story he gave me about things breaking if you don't update too, but FUD isn't needed here.

RogerS 2006-04-05 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattis
The local Compusa droid said that the Nokia rep had been in and told them to warn the customers that the new os is coming out soon (as in the next couple of weeks), and to wait and buy it after they refresh the current stock with new units that had the new os.

From its initial project of 1Q2006, Nokia changed the anticipated release of included VoIP and IM to 2Q some while back. So long ago I don't even remember.

But the 2006 OS and any firmware upgrades will be installable by users, so that advice doesn't make any sense. Strange.
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Originally Posted by varis
Python is great but let's not overhype it

I don't think the arrival of any OO, non-C language could be overhyped. It should expand the development universe considerably and speed things up.

Hedgecore 2006-04-05 18:34

I completely agree; the roadmap's impressive indeed. I hope as much time was invested into fixing the current round of issues/unpredictability, especially in Opera. In random 770-related-web-site-jumping, I've seen some talk about wanting to adopt Minimo provided it could be slimmed down. That could fix all the browser issues.

All in all, given the bulk of us holding 770s in hand are early adopters and are forgiving in the number of issues we've encountered, the entire team behind the 770 has done a fantastic job. I've never, ever had a device that I'm still excited to use 5-6 months after purchasing it. It's also encouraging to see vigorous development like disq has been doing on MaemoPad+ and Kontori has done on the media convertor. Deepest thanks guys.

fpp 2006-04-05 19:41

Agreed ! My Psions and my Zaurus certainly kept me excited for more than 6 months before they became mundane day-to-day appliances, but there is a difference here : the Psion 5mx was the last generation of a dying platform, and when I bought my Z760 it was already clear nothing new would be forthcoming from Sharp software-wise. So yes, this feeling of something important being created, these expectations of good things to come, this particular excitement is new, and fun. Let's hope the 770/maemo teams get enough backing from Nokia to pull it through...

Paul Webster 2006-04-06 11:12

Looks good. Once this arrives I will be one big step closer to being able to migrate to my 770 from my Palm Tungsetn C rather than using it for some of the functions.

A statement about speeding up the existing device with/without need of RS-MMC card would be useful.

I see that there is a warning for application developers that they will have to rebuild to be able to distribute for the updated OS. Wasn't clear to me if this also means that existing installed 3rd-party apps will stop working (or will the firmware upgrade remove all installed apps anyway - I did my upgrade before installing anything extra so I don't know for sure).

aflegg 2006-04-06 12:24

Yes, the upgrade will remove everything currently installed and none of the existing apps will immediately work.

Hopefully, there'll be a developer release so we can get them working before end-users upgrade.

Hedgecore 2006-04-06 13:36

A lot of the ports were recompiled with a small number of changes... hopefully the momentum we witnessed with the original 770 configuration keeps up when 2006 launches.

(I *need* my sodoku... it's like crack) :(

RogerS 2006-04-06 15:35

Off-topic -- Sudoku addiction
 
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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
I *need* my sodoku... it's like crack) :(

Don't I know it.

I have settled at the Washington Post, which uses sudoku.com puzzles that don't don't work as well with the 770 as those at websudoku.com. You need a shift key to take full advantage of them.

Are you using a 770 sudoku package I don't know about?


(Sorry to go off-topic. I could add, "Yes, it's important to retain compatibility with the essential third-party applications for the 770 that we depend on so heavily, primarily Sudoku, Nako and FBReader in my case, not to mention Load applet for screen captures, but that would be cheating. Especially because my 770 sudoku has dropped off as I've moved to washingtonpost.com.)

Hedgecore 2006-04-06 17:40

Oh I am! It even auto-checks them so you don't have to do the dirty work and can just enjoy solving them.

http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/fi...ku_0.2_arm.deb


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