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caulktel 2008-03-04 14:18

9 inch EEE PC
 
9 inch EEE PC coming soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/h...9-inch-eee-pc/

sherifnix 2008-03-04 14:20

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Yea, I think I might have to get it :) The 7 inch screen is what made me ebay the old one.

pixelseventy2 2008-03-04 14:45

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
the resolution is the reason why I didn't get the 7". If this is anything close to the same price as the 7" then I think I know what to ask santa for this year :)

caulktel 2008-03-04 15:09

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
I wonder if it will be capable of 1024X768 resolution. 800X600 is just to big to be of any use. They also hint to some new or better features.

Reggie 2008-03-04 15:22

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The 9" has a 1024 x 600 resolution screen. Here are some pics: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/a...living-pixels/

BOFH 2008-03-04 16:44

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Is there a technical reason way it's 1024 x 600 and not 1024 x 768?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 150752)
The 9" has a 1024 x 600 resolution screen. Here are some pics: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/a...living-pixels/


pixelseventy2 2008-03-04 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOFH (Post 150789)
Is there a technical reason way it's 1024 x 600 and not 1024 x 768?

because it, like many new machines including the 7" eeeeeeepc, is widescreen. 4x3 is gradually disappearing

johnkzin 2008-03-05 19:52

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Hm.

What about internal storage options?
built-in bluetooth (so you don't have to do it via dongle)?
pc-card or express-card slot?

(dunno if the original eee had video out or not, but video out?)

sherifnix 2008-03-05 20:14

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 151283)
Hm.

What about internal storage options?
built-in bluetooth (so you don't have to do it via dongle)?
pc-card or express-card slot?

(dunno if the original eee had video out or not, but video out?)

Its just SD and 3 full USB ports. Its really not limiting. People shove bluetooth modules and extra flash storage inside the bottom casing all the time now lol :)

The only lame part of the EEE is that the processor is clocked down to 630mhz... would be preferable to have it factory clocked at 900mhz. Makes a huge difference. There hasn't been any elegant overclocking solutions IMO.

johnkzin 2008-03-05 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherifnix (Post 151299)
Its just SD and 3 full USB ports. Its really not limiting. People shove bluetooth modules and extra flash storage inside the bottom casing all the time now lol :)

From what I recall, shoving things into the bottom of the casing is an after-market hardware mod. Especially if you have a model that doesn't have the pci-express card slot (I seem to recall that that's only on certain models?). I'm not interested in having to go to those extremes to be able to do things that, IMO, should be included in the base unit, at least as vendor installed internal modules (ie. USB bluetooth doesn't cut it).

If it had an express card slot (with drivers for EVDO and UMTS cards), bluetooth, and an internal storage option that can take 1.8" HDD and SDD options, then I'd be interested.

sherifnix 2008-03-06 00:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 151305)
From what I recall, shoving things into the bottom of the casing is an after-market hardware mod. Especially if you have a model that doesn't have the pci-express card slot (I seem to recall that that's only on certain models?). I'm not interested in having to go to those extremes to be able to do things that, IMO, should be included in the base unit, at least as vendor installed internal modules (ie. USB bluetooth doesn't cut it).

If it had an express card slot (with drivers for EVDO and UMTS cards), bluetooth, and an internal storage option that can take 1.8" HDD and SDD options, then I'd be interested.

Its cheaper than the N810... you can get all that for a little more money =p or check out the coming HP 2133 that has an express card slot

johnkzin 2008-03-06 00:47

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Yup, I _AM_ eyeing the HP.

polossatik 2008-03-06 02:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2 (Post 150810)
because it, like many new machines including the 7" eeeeeeepc, is widescreen. 4x3 is gradually disappearing

/* totally off topic - but hey

wich is sad...
I don't get the wide screen factor frenzy for *Web* browsing.
Why are people wanting to waist so much screen "real estate" when most websites are still not using the full "wide" of it?

Personally I would LOVE to have a Portrait TFT sized monitor - but no-one is making that - I simply don't get why. (and any monitor I tried who can pivot to portrait has a lesser screen quality in portrait mode)

Betty Woo 2008-03-06 03:18

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Oh. My. Lord.

You can run OS 10.4 on this thing?!?

OK. You can run OS 10.4 on this thing with some mods that anyone smart enough to figure out Linux can surely do?!?

Oooooooooh... that's just so neat.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=arxdlBGolTE

The guy's blog goes into step-by-step detail on how to do it, too.

Samba Pa Ti 2008-03-06 17:20

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hmm im hoping the 9 inch gets sold in the uk/usa with XP loaded like it was in japan, although i could just install it myself it would be nice to have it bundled. im becomming incredibly lazy in my old age :(

johnkzin 2008-03-06 17:48

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Windows (XP or Vista) as a vendor installed option? Sure.

Windows as the only vendor supplied configuration? Absolutely not.

pixelseventy2 2008-03-06 20:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherifnix (Post 151385)
Its cheaper than the N810... you can get all that for a little more money =p or check out the coming HP 2133 that has an express card slot

Cheaper, yes, but nothing like as portable. I wouldn't want to sit in bed (or on the toilet) reading a book on the eeepc, don't think it would sit on my dashboard quite as neatly, and I couldn't use it for geocaching like I do with my n800 and maemo mapper. That doesn't mean I don't want one now that they're 9", it would make a great kick-around laptop for home browsing/email, but it fills a very different purpose to the n8x0

pixelseventy2 2008-03-06 20:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by polossatik (Post 151432)
I don't get the wide screen factor frenzy for *Web* browsing.
Why are people wanting to waist so much screen "real estate" when most websites are still not using the full "wide" of it?

I don't think it was particularly for browsing, at least not at first. A great feature with widescreen monitors is being able to view 2 pages side-by-side in word (if only I could get open-office to do the same). And as a developer, I love a widescreen monitor; as good for coding as dual monitors, without taking up so much desk space. But that wouldn't stop me having dual-widescreen though :p

Drewvt 2008-03-26 11:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2 (Post 151681)
I don't think it was particularly for browsing, at least not at first. A great feature with widescreen monitors is being able to view 2 pages side-by-side in word (if only I could get open-office to do the same). And as a developer, I love a widescreen monitor; as good for coding as dual monitors, without taking up so much desk space. But that wouldn't stop me having dual-widescreen though :p

It's not just Word documents: with the right Firefox extensions, you can browse two (or even three) webpages side by side; an extremely efficient way of browsing. Or you can view a webpage side by side with a windows that belongs to a tool such a dictionary program or an editor.

So yes, wider screens and more resolution are always good.

Benson 2008-03-26 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by polossatik (Post 151432)
/* totally off topic - but hey

wich is sad...
I don't get the wide screen factor frenzy for *Web* browsing.
Why are people wanting to waist so much screen "real estate" when most websites are still not using the full "wide" of it?

Personally I would LOVE to have a Portrait TFT sized monitor - but no-one is making that - I simply don't get why. (and any monitor I tried who can pivot to portrait has a lesser screen quality in portrait mode)

Less viewing angle, typically, but usually that's not a great concern.

And on-topic, of course, we're talking sufficiently narrow screens that width is not necessarily wasted, and laptops would look funny with portrait screens, but you said off topic, so I understand you're talking exclusively of desktops.

Buy 2? stack 'em! Dual monitor rigs don't have to be wide, ya know.

But I don't really care (for desktops) what aspect ratio; I'll throw my apps around to fit.

sgosnell 2008-03-27 02:30

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Express card? No interest. Why widescreen? Because it fits on the keyboard. You can either use widescreen or have a lot of blank space on the sides of the screen. It's the same ratio as the N8x0. I have a 701, and I use it for almost everything, seldom bothering to turn on my desktop or full-size laptop. My N800 doesn't get a lot of use, mostly on the road with Maemo Mapper, and sometimes from my pocket, but the Eee is so portable I tend to take it just about everywhere I would take the N800.

houman 2008-03-27 03:13

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
looks nice! :)

so what's their next version ? a regular laptop ? :)

johnkzin 2008-03-27 04:18

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgosnell (Post 160750)
Express card? No interest. Why widescreen? ...


I could care less about widescreen. I doubt I'll spend much time directly using a mini-laptop (EEE PC, HP's new offering, etc.). At most, I'll probably want to have an external display, external keyboard, and external mouse. That's probably as directly as I'll ever use it.

However, I absolutely DO want an Express Card slot (I'll settle for PCMCIA), Wifi, Bluetooth, external monitor port, USB, and larger than 8 or 16 GB SSD options. Oh, and as much battery life as you can get out of it.

Why Bluetooth? For FTP so that I can store files for my N810 on it.

Why Wifi? So I can use it as an _access_point_ for my N810.

Why Express Card? So I can put a WWAN card in it, and thus use it as a WWAN gateway for my N810. I don't want such a thing _built_in_ to it, because I don't want limited choices. I want to pick my carrier, my protocol (GSM family, CDMA family, WiMAX, etc.), etc. I can do that with an Express Card or PCMCIA card. (I suppose I could do it with a USB dongle, but I'd prefer express card)

Then I'll just shove it in my bag, and leave it there except when I really need a bigger keyboard/screen than my N810 ... or to recharge its battery.

So, you can easily see why I consider an Express Card very attractive for me to purchase it ... and that I don't care one little bit about widescreen. I don't intend to use such a device as my mini-laptop. I intend to use it as my personal-area-network server.

My personal area (workstation) is my N810. Not something as awkwardly large as an EEE PC. Something that big belongs in a bag where it never sees the light of day.


(EDIT)

Oh, and I want Ubuntu on it. None of this gOS crap, Suse Enterprise on a UMPC (HP's plan), or whatever random a** linux distro the Eee has. Ubuntu damnit.

HellToupee 2008-03-27 09:49

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why not widescreen? its a more natural layout, plus nearly every TV monitor etc these days is wide screen.

johnkzin 2008-03-27 14:53

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HellToupee (Post 160840)
why not widescreen? its a more natural layout, plus nearly every TV monitor etc these days is wide screen.

I'd really like to see the evidence that it's a "more natural layout" ... Please tell me what aspect ratio is defined by the average human's visual envelope? The only experiment I remember ever doing along these lines didn't say to me "oooh! 16x9! our eyes are so much better suited to 16x9!".

And, who cares if it's what every tv monitor these days is doing? I care about the device footprint, and a screen that fits the device footprint. Since "watching TV shows and Movies" isn't on my list of intended uses for the device, why do I care about what the current trend is in that regard?

If I was going to make this a portable workstation instead of a portable server, you'd get more mileage out of trying to make a portrait display of paper-like proportions ... than a landscape display of movie like proportions. That way it would at least feel more like working on an actual document.

tabletrat 2008-03-27 18:33

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
I will probably get one of those, but I may want to see if they have improved the keyboard first!

mikedmann 2008-03-27 18:59

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
I'm not gonna complain about what the triple E should be and what it shouldn't. I'm just gonna buy this lil bad boy and do all the mods. Being that this isn't a tablet. There exist many other websites based on the triple E. Checkem out, you'll learn more and read less Bi**hing!

sgosnell 2008-03-27 20:56

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Asus has now committed to a version with a touchscreen by mid-summer. I was seriously considering upgrading to the 901, but getting a touchscreen and 12GB of flash in addition to the larger screen, for a projected $500, will make me wait and see. With inflation really taking off, I wouldn't bet on that price, but even for a little more it's a very good deal.

Jayayess1190 2008-03-27 23:03

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houman (Post 160763)
looks nice! :)

so what's their next version ? a regular laptop ? :)

No, in an article an Asus CEO had with Laptop mag, he said the EEE will be staying small. Read the last interview question.

Article here: http://blog.laptopmag.com/eee-pc-to-...-forward-style

caulktel 2008-03-28 00:08

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Well if you believe Gizmodo, it's going to have a cool track pad.

http://gizmodo.com/372482/

HellToupee 2008-03-28 01:32

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 160942)
I'd really like to see the evidence that it's a "more natural layout" ... Please tell me what aspect ratio is defined by the average human's visual envelope? The only experiment I remember ever doing along these lines didn't say to me "oooh! 16x9! our eyes are so much better suited to 16x9!".

And, who cares if it's what every tv monitor these days is doing? I care about the device footprint, and a screen that fits the device footprint. Since "watching TV shows and Movies" isn't on my list of intended uses for the device, why do I care about what the current trend is in that regard?

If I was going to make this a portable workstation instead of a portable server, you'd get more mileage out of trying to make a portrait display of paper-like proportions ... than a landscape display of movie like proportions. That way it would at least feel more like working on an actual document.

Wide screen does better suit the devices footprint, to get the same width with a non widescreen the EEE would have to be made deeper, non widescreen laptops always felt huge, as their depth had to be so large to cater for the display. Even n810 wide screen, think of that as 4:3 ratio screen how unpocketable it would be.

I dropped non wide screen monitors a long time ago, wide screen is just a hell of alot better to use and great for movies. Don't care about the current trend well thats fine, keep living in the past.

scumgrief 2008-03-28 03:24

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a laptop is not a competitor. I have an ASUS EEE PC 701 w/ ubuntu on it w/ xfce as my wm, its a great primary computer for everything but media storage and hardcore gaming. Plays tremulous so im happy.

THUS, IT ISN'T A COMPETITOR.

I'm buying a n800 to fill the gap between computer and no computer when it comes to portability... I also have dreams to someday develop for devices such as the NIT's...

Benson 2008-03-28 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scumgrief (Post 161292)
a laptop is not a competitor. I have an ASUS EEE PC 701 w/ ubuntu on it w/ xfce as my wm, its a great primary computer for everything but media storage and hardcore gaming. Plays tremulous so im happy.

THUS, IT ISN'T A COMPETITOR.

I'm buying a n800 to fill the gap between computer and no computer when it comes to portability... I also have dreams to someday develop for devices such as the NIT's...

It's not a competitor for you; it is a competitor for some people.

A weak competitor to be sure, but my N800 replaced my laptop; I have fairly ubiquitous network access so I can remote access my desktop. This makes it capable of doing everything my laptop was used for, although some things are slightly less convenient.

So I bought an N800 to fill the same gap between computer (i.e. desktop or chunky desktop replacement laptop that I've no interest in) and no computer that my (aging) laptop used to fill, as a cheaper and more portable upgrade than a new laptop.

An eee could also be a companion as well as competitor for me, but it was a competitor when I was researching what to buy.

HellToupee 2008-03-28 16:05

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plus this forum is pretty much just for any other device, since they all compete for our $$$

Drewvt 2008-03-29 12:22

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 161454)
An eee could also be a companion as well as competitor for me, but it was a competitor when I was researching what to buy.

That's right; it might not be a direct competitor in a true sense, but it is definitely related (like a distant cousin):

For one thing, the Eee is a highly mobile device running Linux, and runs it with great media fanfare and commercial success, which means that just like the Tablets it advances the cause of Linux (probably to a much greater degree than the Tablets have, in fact).

I think I need an Eee companion myself, to increase my productivity, because the Tablets don't have very good Japanese text input, nor anything like a full OpenOffice suite. I will keep using my 770 for casual reading, browsing and internet radio until the day it dies on me, but an Eee (especially now that it gets a 9 inch screen) just seems like a better mobile workstation, at least for my special needs.

scumgrief 2008-03-29 18:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 161454)
It's not a competitor for you; it is a competitor for some people.

A weak competitor to be sure, but my N800 replaced my laptop; I have fairly ubiquitous network access so I can remote access my desktop. This makes it capable of doing everything my laptop was used for, although some things are slightly less convenient.

So I bought an N800 to fill the same gap between computer (i.e. desktop or chunky desktop replacement laptop that I've no interest in) and no computer that my (aging) laptop used to fill, as a cheaper and more portable upgrade than a new laptop.

An eee could also be a companion as well as competitor for me, but it was a competitor when I was researching what to buy.

It sorta was a competitor but I realized that I need a computer and a Nokia IT. Its simple, PC is my semi-portable base; but i usually don't stay in one spot so I find a lappie inconvenient during the day so I need a nokia n800 since internet terminals are somewhat scared... not to mention insecure.

Cheers

dont 2008-04-04 16:10

Re: 9 inch EEE PC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by polossatik (Post 151432)
/* totally off topic - but hey

Personally I would LOVE to have a Portrait TFT sized monitor - but no-one is making that - I simply don't get why.

Several Dell monitors can rotate so if your video adapter software can also rotate the image (most can) then you can have a portrait mode screen.

My wife has an UltraSharp 2007FP that rotates - it is a nice monitor and pricey, but I think that you get what you pay for. I would like two of them side-by-side in portrait mode ...

Benson 2008-04-04 16:21

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That was mentioned, but "image quality" was said to suffer. I don't know of any other effects, but viewing angle gets wrecked: Ordinarily, screens are designed for wide horizontal viewing angle, so people (all approximately the same height) may gather around one display, or one person can move around on their wheely-chair. That's a tradeoff against vertical viewing angle, of course, so when you rotate, now the spider on the ceiling and the mouse on the floor can read clearly, but you start having trouble if you move a foot to the side. Not so good.

My preference would be one with symmetric viewing angle and rotatability...


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