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http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/l...nce/3#comments

It looks incredible. EA has demoed SPORE, in full 3D. Monkey Ball from Sega. It may not be OSS, but holy crap its awesome looking. Apps from AOL (AIM), Salesforce.com, Full Exchange support (ActiveSync licensed from M$) and even medical software.

Their only restriction on VOIP is that it has to be over WiFi, and apps cannot be illegal or malicious to be distributed through the AppStore (which is on the iTouch/iPhone). Zero cost to developers of free software and 70% goes to you if you charge for the app.

There is even a $100,000,000 iFund to help pay developers with interesting projects.

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Guess Apple is serious about this 'internet in your pocket' thing, eh?

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ouch... I'll probably be buying an ipod touch in June when this is released. I am a complete end-user type of guy and I love my N800 for for all it is trying to do- but the user base for the itouch/iphone application is going to be huge- thus so will the developer base.

After seeing that Monkeyball demo, I have to say I'm sold. This is quickly becoming exactly what I envisioned in my tablet device.

No hate for my N800... it's a great device, but the ante's been upped.

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It's huge. MS Exchange mail, calendar, and contacts push, remote wipe, Spore, Salesforce, AIM, Epocrates, Sega, App Store (iTunes for apps) where devs get 70%... They've covered everything today -- wow.

I think Apple just made it harder again for the competition...

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It is cute, but I think you are falling a victim of Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field(tm). As far as I can tell, the SDK is nice but it is not anything special. Does what an SDK has to do. Does not create miracles. Whether it has any hidden caveats, only the time can tell. Let's wait and see.

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You can distribute free apps thru App store for absolutely free! But pay 100 bucks first.

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The other bits aside, if you read the Engadget article, it indicates "...a stripped down, cartoony version of Spore..."

We'll see where their 3D apis go. Sadly, if Apple had done a tablet device first (don't say Newton), everyone would be considered a copycat. Now they will still get credit when Nokia did the work. True, perhaps Nokia should have done things differently, but Nokia is learning and I can't see them bowing out- the internet has been and will be staying around long after we're all dead and gone. The need for a portable leash to the digital content we all now thrive on will only grow.

The market is still huge for a product along the lines of what Nokia has created hype about. Funny how many put down Microsoft and yet flock to Apple, only recreating a similar scenario themselves.

Sure, brand loyalty doesn't always pay off, but it's not about the payoff, it's about being able to do what you want, with what you have, and getting the vendor/manufacturer to either give you what you want or at least compromise. In using my N800 for just over a week on OS2008 I've seen some major improvements. Some of these I know would not have been possible if users hadn't stuck with their 770 and made their voices heard.

I have no doubt several Apple employees got their hands on Nokia's tablet and visited the user community sites prior to the final product of the iPhone being completed.

Competition is good. But will I bail? No way!

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It is huge and shows the difference between a professionl job and an amateur one for supporting apps. Makes Maemo look rather weak.
I could say more but what's the point, I decided to get an Itouch and it looks like that was a good decision.

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Damn I just bought my N800, maybe I should have waited and bought an Itouch instead.

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so? the $100 is for some developement tools to run a virtual iphone to test your app and a digital certificate giving you authorization to publish your apps to the App store. seems like a decent deal.

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The money is behind this platform... Nokia hasn't commited itself to the tablets, and it shows. Look how quickly Apple developed this, TONS of progress in less than 1 year.

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mjparker75-"After seeing that Monkeyball demo, I have to say I'm sold. This is quickly becoming exactly what I envisioned in my tablet device."

Is there video of this yet or were you actually there ?

Apple usually puts up the vids a couple of hours after the actual event.

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Not to mention the 100 million Apple is giving to fund development.

The SDK is actually free, and you can build your app.. test it locally and once its ready for primetime you can publish it for a 1 time fee of $99. You can just show your app off and get some donations. From that point on, any additional apps you write are still published and hosted for free.

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I disagree...there is a big difference in the approach...Apple set out to build the killer phone that includes Internet while the IT was created as an open source Internet browser. I believe that Nokia has taken a market-based approach by creating the hardware and some software and letting the community develop most of the applications. Contrast this where Apple has created the platform, the tools, and the delivery method (and not entirely open source).

I will stick with my N800.

I also paid a heck of a lot less for my N800 than my brother did for his iPhone...

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I tried to install Maemo SDK about a year ago but could not get it work on my Ubuntu laptop. So compared to that, I think Apple SDK is looking quite nice. (Ok, I haven't tried the newer Maemo SDKs and I'm not the greatest Linux guru..)

I have been drooling over ITTs since 770 but I still haven't bought one. When N800 was released, I tried the SDK to see if that could push me over the fence but it didn't.

If iPod Touch had a bluetooth, I would have ordered one already. And of course Intel MIDs are also coming. I got to admit that Nokia is looking less desirable every day.

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I think you need to separate maemo.org with other tablet development. Nokia is working with Adobe, Wayfinder, Gizmo, Microsoft, Skype, etc... We don't know Nokia's relationship with these other corporations as far as tablet development is concerned. All we know about is the SDK which is open source. Apple as usual shows there entire hand to make it look like the world is behind them.

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Whats most amusing about all this is that love em or hate em, Apple has done more with their product (iPhone/Touch) in a year then Nokia and Maemo has done in over 3 years.

I believe more people on this side of the fence are probably more angry with that then with anything else, is why so many ppl are so defensive about guarding their NIT's.

We all have to admit deep down that we wished our NIT's worked and looked half as good at doing menial things that Apple seems to have hit on right out of the gate.

Just because you have the "best" hardware etc., doesn't always mean you'll win. What wins is numbers and right now NIT can't even think about comparing with Apples' user base.

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Every day there comes the device that is faster, harder, better and stronger. This is life :)

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Doesn't that mean there won't be much freeware for the iPhone ?

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There is a $99 fee to become a part of the Apple developer network. The SDK and all associated tools will be free. The $99 is to get your "digital certificate" and to have your programs published on AppStore.

What the freeware community could do is create a "company" with one $99 fee and publish under this name on AppStore. And frankly I'd have no problem donating a few bucks to someone that showed me a spectacular app to help with is $99 cost.

And I greatly look forward to commercial quality software from big publishers.

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This definitely looks like a great move on Apple's part. In reality though for Nokia this isn't really a battle between Maemo and iPhone OS but really between the iPhone OS and Symbian. I love my Symbian phones and have actively used them for about 5 years now, but this has to worry them. The iPhone user base is much more apt to purchase applications for their phone and catering to the Enterprise market is key for widespread adoption, you know that every executive is going to be asking his IT department for this phone.
Most Symbian phones are almost sold as dumb-phones my friend had a 6682 for a year without knowing you could install any applications. The N-Series as well are sold as multimedia phones and not really as phones you can add stuff to. With the iTunes store the iPhone is going to have a HUGE advantage over the current distribution methods that Nokia uses. We'll see how all this shakes out with Ovi and all that but I must say kudo's to Apple for delivering what looks like a super interesting platform. (ps. I am usually an Apple hater)

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do apple have the final say about what apps go on the store?

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No I don't think you can say that... Unless you mean by freeware crappy apps written by a high school whizkid or sophmore computer science major for a project. Most good developers do more than one app and often do a couple pro bono as it were. There will be some free apps and more professional ones for a reasonable price. I think that is a good situation
I don't care much for the free c64 ports on maemo so I won't mind if that stuff does not get posted for Apples IT.

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Here's the link to watch the entire Mar.6 Apple SDK presentation.

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Ok. Three questions:

* Have you tried installing Apple SDK?
* Have you tried installing Apple SDK on your Ubuntu laptop?
* Have you tried installing Apple SDK a year ago?

Intel MIDs, if and when they arrive, will be based on the Silverthorne (aka Atom), which is a PentiumI-derived CPU. Good luck trying to match OMAP's power efficiency with that.

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I think you mistyped - should have been "and entirely not open source". :)

iPhone and Nokia ITs are entirely different beers - iPhone is a commercial phone with commercial oriented applications and no SDK from Apple is going to change that for a company that charges 20$ for the iPod Touch mail app. Why do you think Apple is going to have a change of heart and become entirely open? You don't have a problem with 100$ for a SDK from them, but you have a problem with entirely free one for Maemo, maybe because it doesn't install you a dazzling IDE and doesn't convert your old Linux PC to a Leopard (or was it the other way round? oh, nevermind)?

The goal of Apple is simple and many before them have done it - charge for the development tools, offer a free beer, promise millions of eventual customers, then leave the developer write open source/free... or will he? ;)

Oh, just read that...
• Free through Apple Developer Connection?
Not exactly - It's a free beta for anyone, but Apple launched the iPhone Developer Program which will charge developers $99 per year for the right to publicly release iPhone apps, and distribute them via the new App Store.

One time fee from Apple? Naa...

The full article from Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/364696/iphone-sdk-rumor-checklist

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I believe so yes. Since they already said they wouldn't allow VOIP on TMobile's Data plan I think. (only WIFI). So they do have the say on what can go or not.

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I guess its still maemo, or maybe android or ubuntu mobile for me in the future then.

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And no old consoles emulators then =) They are illegal ;)

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I guess its still maemo, or maybe android or ubuntu mobile for me in the future then.

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And still no old consoles emulators xD

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In the last few comments ...

11:36AM - Q: "Is this an international rollout? Anything preventing open source apps?"

A: "This is international, but not an open-source project. It's a for-profit project only, even though it's a free update."


Stomps all over the FSF and its GPL - the apps MAY be freeware but they're most certainly not free! Here's hoping this will cause a backlash amongst the more talented OS developers who decide to back OS devices like our ITs. This may be beneficial for us in the long term if Nokia/We decide to promote the platform through the appropriate channels...


Also - it's a chance for Nokia to learn how to package up their SDK for developer friendlyness. Perhaps we'll see some level of "me to" implemented on our SDKs. :)

And it's a chance for devs to aim to emulate polished freeware on a truly OS platform.

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Article: iPhone the Real Story:

http://www.fusionauthority.com/views...real-story.htm

Lamenting the decision by Apple not to implement Flash as it was "too slow". Brief comparison with the N810 being able to run flash on a 400MHz processor vs 620MHz with the thoughts being that Apple doesn't want to lose it's pie.

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The itouch has no bluetooth, therefore no truly mobile internet. The iphone requires sign up with apple and at&t for mobile internet. The nokia tablet, and it's bluetooth, let's you have mobile internet without signing on the dotted line!

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There is definitely some truth to this article, Flash based technology would be able to give typical iUser the UI bling they love and circumvent the whole iTunes store eco-system. There probably is some licensing issues in there too.

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You're still paying the monthly to get "truly mobile internet" and you're also breaking the rules by not paying for a full tethering plan for your Nokia. Your carrier can send you one of those famous multi thousand dollar bills for your N8x0 at anytime, and you will have no recourse.

The iPhone has the cheapest smartphone data plan on the market... at least in the US. Unlimited data and 200 SMS for $19.99

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tethering plan?!

never had one, just pay pr megabyte ;)
or get a unlimited data option.

i guess its clear that the iphone is a product of the us mobile networks...

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Yea. I was thinking that myself. It seems to be the best product in the US market, I'm not sure how the data market is for the rest of the world.

I'm sure the WiMax tablets will offer something comparable price wise. I'll look at the tablets again when the next generation comes along.

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I was hoping something like this: "You should try the Maemo SDK again. They have really improved it during last months." :confused:

* Good luck trying to sync with Exchange server
* Good luck trying to develop OpenGL applications for ITT

I guess we both could go on but that wouldn't be very constructive, would it?

But I think that Nokia should introduce OMAP 34x0 based ITT and not rest on laurels. They aren't the only ones producing small internet tablet(like) devices. Could someone comment on how likely Nokia will produce such a beast before autumn? Regarding to this article TI starts volume production of 3430 this year.

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The iphone and nokia tablet are different beasts... We all have to admit that apple has done a great job with the iphone and it's SDK model will only enlarge its user base. Allowing developers to get get 70% of whatever is sold is also huge.

I like my n800 but have to pay $60/month to have internet all the time -- that's on top of what I pay for my voice plan. The iphone? You can pay $60/month and get unlimited data and web plus 200 txt messages. With everything that's coming for it, if it's executed well, it will surely take over.

Comparing the two devices is futile. If we're talking about usability and the average end user's experience, the iphone wins hands down.

My two cents.

P.S. - I don't own an iphone but I do have a bunch of friends that have them. They are elegant. Limited but if what you want is a phone, calendar, internet browser and ipod in your pocket, I think it is the ultimate solution. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on what kind of apps are being released and will probably end up getting one.

P.P.S.- Also, all of this makes me consider how an open source community can compete with companies like apple and microsoft when there is no driving force behind it. If the NITs had half the backing that the iphone had in terms of development support, it would be much further along.

If I was developing for the tablets, I'd be enticed to jump the fence to apple land because I could reach a larger user base and get paid. Some of the restrictions used by apple actually improve the end user's experience....the fact that there's quality control means that only good apps make it on the phone.

How many times have you installed an app on your tablet to have it enter an infinite reboot loop? There is something to be said about having things just work...