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HAC 2008-03-09 15:48

Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine sure didn't... (and yes "DST Zone" was selected)

Cheers
Harold

WoodyS 2008-03-09 16:15

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
I just checked, and mine changed. I do have the Status Bar clock installed.

cobalt917 2008-03-09 16:30

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
I haven't checked mine yet this morning, but I was wondering if it was going to work correctly or not, since this DST start date is still fairly new. Didn't know if the N800 firmware had that particular patch.

ssmith 2008-03-09 16:39

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine made the change. FWIW, I'm still using 2007 OS.

Nitesky 2008-03-09 16:46

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine made the change. I am using 2008 OS :)

Laughing Man 2008-03-09 18:21

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine made the change (both status bar clock and the built in one).

cubeist 2008-03-09 18:27

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine did not make the change, and now the time zones are messed up between places that observe the change and those that don't. I had to update the time manually...Not sure how to fix that...

NightStorm 2008-03-09 18:47

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
I've an N810 with the latest OS update but it did not make the DST change last night on the clock applet on the display. However when I went into the control panel and selected "Date and time" (to verify that DST was indeed selected, which it was) I noticed that the time there reflected the changed DST time. I then exited and saw the desktop clock applet jump ahead an hour.

Try it. Maybe it will do the same for you.

cubeist 2008-03-09 19:16

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
no change, what a pain in the butt!

mscdex 2008-03-09 19:18

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
My n810 adjusted to the new time automatically here

heavyt 2008-03-09 19:20

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
OK on the switching to DST here (N800).

DJames1 2008-03-09 19:49

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cubeist (Post 152678)
Mine did not make the change, and now the time zones are messed up between places that observe the change and those that don't. I had to update the time manually...Not sure how to fix that...

My N800 did NOT make the DST change automatically. Like cubeist, I corrected the time manually, and now my "Destination time" in other time zones is messed up (in the wrong direction, even - e.g., I moved my time ahead one hour manually, but now the Destination time zone to the east which should be 3 hours ahead is showing 4 hours ahead rather than 2 or 3 hours ahead). I'm running OS2008. Looks like Nokia messed this one up big time.

I'm going to hazard a guess that the reason is because both my home city and destination city are in Canada, and whatever half-wit Nokia had implement the DST update did not bother to check which other countries besides the USA are using the same new DST dates.

cubeist 2008-03-09 20:22

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
I too am in Canada so that could be it...However I think my device was in offline mode last night so perhaps if I leave it online overnight tonight it will "catch up"...

here.david 2008-03-09 20:36

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Automaticly on my 2008 OS and 2007HE OS.....

sgosnell 2008-03-09 23:42

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
My N800 and my Palm both switched, but my ATT phone still hasn't changed. Somebody needs to tell ATT about DST.

Laughing Man 2008-03-09 23:44

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
I think phones in general don't switch over. My phone didn't (Samsung m300) and my girlfriend's Tmobile phone didn't switch either.

rm -rf 2008-03-10 02:16

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Intersting. My OS2008 N800 did not switch until I opened & closed the clock application.

mooler 2008-03-10 03:00

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
My phone did (samsung a990) my N800 did not

sd_proto 2008-03-10 03:31

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine didn't switch automatically either (N800/OS2008). I went in manually and now my timezones are messed up now too. The DST box was checked also.

T-mobile is lame and never switches when it's supposed to. My Verizon phone updated correctly, must be part of their deal with the NSA.

cubeist 2008-03-10 05:12

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
It is definitely related to Canadian DST zones. I tried setting my city to Denver and it switched over fine... I'll just leave it on Denver for now since it is in the same time zone.

Inate00 2008-03-10 05:29

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Well, mine did, however my battery had to charge for over 16 hours to get a full charge today. :(

sjgadsby 2008-03-10 12:28

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cubeist (Post 152848)
It is definitely related to Canadian DST zones.

So, when did you canucks annex New York? My time didn't update automatically either.

grog 2008-03-10 12:41

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 152948)
So, when did you canucks annex New York? My time didn't update automatically either.

Its all part of our world domination master plan. We'll have to terminate you now. :)

sondjata 2008-03-10 12:45

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
My N800 clock did but the Alarm also jumped up an hour. That was dumb.

devaler 2008-03-10 12:56

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
N800/OS2008, switched automatically.

Benson 2008-03-10 16:32

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine works

dont 2008-03-10 17:23

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cubeist (Post 152848)
It is definitely related to Canadian DST zones.

Mine did not change either, also in Canada.

So, we change it now and then in three weeks time it changes again on its own?

BobF4321 2008-03-10 17:43

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Interesting... I'm in Canada, and my N800/OS2008 was powered off during the "spring forward". When I powered it on today the clock applet showed the wrong time (one hour back), but the date/time control panel showed the correct time. Maybe it's just the clock applet?

DataPath 2008-03-10 18:01

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobF4321 (Post 153074)
Interesting... I'm in Canada, and my N800/OS2008 was powered off during the "spring forward". When I powered it on today the clock applet showed the wrong time (one hour back), but the date/time control panel showed the correct time. Maybe it's just the clock applet?

That was my experience. The clock applet showed the wrong time, but when I went to change the time by hand, the tool for changing the time showed the right time, so I hit cancel.

An alarm I had set went off according to the clock applet time rather than the time-changing tool time. So I went to the time-changing tool, didn't change the time, but didn't hit cancel either - I hit ok, and everything started working correctly.

I think it might require a reboot, setting the time, or some other event that triggers the clock applet to reinitialize to bring the two clocks into sync.

DJames1 2008-03-10 18:43

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DataPath (Post 153080)
I think it might require a reboot, setting the time, or some other event that triggers the clock applet to reinitialize to bring the two clocks into sync.

Nope, none of that helps here.

grog 2008-03-10 18:57

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
FYI from the maemo-users list:

Quote:

Andrew Daviel to maemo-users
Stale timezone rules for Canada

Yesterday was clock-forward time for most of the US and Canada, but my
N810 failed to switch. I only bought it a few weeks ago, AND I upgraded
to the latest OS2008 53.1 or whatever. Canada decided to follow the US
on this province-by-province, but BC decided on 31 March 2006 and the
Linux zone sources were updated the next day. So I'm wondering why
Nokia has failed to update given nearly 2 years notice.

In Maemo, timezones are in the libc6 package. I have
maemo-scratchbox-4.0.1 and the zones weren't all correct there, either.
But I was able to update libc and that seemed to fix Vancouver.
Prior to that, I was able to recompile the North American rules with zic
and copy the Vancouver zone to my N810, solving my immediate problem, as
per my page http://andrew.triumf.ca/dst.html

I have made a stab at collecting updated Canadian zones from my FC4
system (just because I've got it. It should really be done from source)
and made
http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/reposit...anada-2006.deb

this wants to overwrite files from libc6 but is not a complete
replacement for libc6. Not sure how to do it in apt-get, but this works:
dpkg -i --force-overwrite
/var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata-canada-2006_2006g_armel.deb

so now
$ zdump -v America/Yellowknife|grep 2008 gets
America/Yellowknife Sun Mar 9 08:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Mar 9 01:59:59 2008 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200A
instead of
America/Yellowknife Sun Apr 6 08:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Apr 6 01:59:59 2008 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200

BobF4321 2008-03-10 19:09

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DataPath (Post 153080)
So I went to the time-changing tool, didn't change the time, but didn't hit cancel either - I hit ok, and everything started working correctly.

Just did this myself... hit OK instead of cancel in the date/time control panel, and now the clock applet looks OK. Looks like the clock applet needs to do more checking during initialization.... thanks!

johenkel 2008-03-10 20:06

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobF4321 (Post 153112)
Just did this myself... hit OK instead of cancel in the date/time control panel, and now the clock applet looks OK. Looks like the clock applet needs to do more checking during initialization.... thanks!


Same ol' here.

j.

jambo46 2008-03-10 20:21

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine didn't either.

DJames1 2008-03-10 22:06

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobF4321 (Post 153112)
Just did this myself... hit OK instead of cancel in the date/time control panel, and now the clock applet looks OK. Looks like the clock applet needs to do more checking during initialization.... thanks!

Nope, that certainly doesn't work for Vancouver Canada. I think the explanation that OS2008 is built with libraries 2 years out of date is the correct one.

Navi 2008-03-10 22:30

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Mine adjusted automagically.

rick_pgc 2008-03-11 21:04

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJames1 (Post 153210)
Nope, that certainly doesn't work for Vancouver Canada. I think the explanation that OS2008 is built with libraries 2 years out of date is the correct one.

It seems that time zones in the u.s. work, but Canadian ones do not. Changing my home city to Seattle displays the correct time, Vancouver which is also in the Pacific time zone is then one hour out but London England is correct.

sjgadsby 2008-03-11 22:14

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_pgc (Post 153657)
It seems that time zones in the u.s. work, but Canadian ones do not.

It's more than just Canada. I have New York as my home city and "Daylight saving zone" checked, but I had to change the hour manually.

andreas66 2008-03-12 01:18

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
What seems to work:

Install new timezones files manually
sudo gainroot
cd /media/mmc2 # or any fs location you can get to

# in web-browser
ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008a.tar.gz

# save into /media/mmc2

tar -xzvf tzdata2008a.tar.gz

#update America timezones
zic America

zic backwards #don't worry about error messages

# set timezone manually; do "ls" in sub-dir America/ to see what's available

tzconfig America/Vancouver

# test
date # should show PDT (pacific daylight savings time)


Worked for me, I am running ntpd. It may take a while until ntpd resets the clock

All the explanations that are missing here are under
https://secure-support.novell.com/Ka...AL_Public.html

TA-t3 2008-03-12 11:50

Re: Did Anyon elses N800 not handle the DST switch overnight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas66 (Post 153753)
Worked for me, I am running ntpd. It may take a while until ntpd resets the clock

That should be independent of DST (or timezone), the clock always runs at UTC - the timezone stuff only changes the translation from UTC to your timezone/DST for the actual display (and dates with 'ls -l' etc.)

(This is quite unlike a Windows box where the hardware clock is actually changed with the DST turnover - quite insane. It's possible to run Linux in that mode too, presumably to ease dual-boot handling, but it's not common at all to do so.)


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