What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

So, I couldn't help but notice that there is a directory and link in the Maemo Extras repository for Diablo (presumably Maemo 4.1). That seems to imply that it may be coming soon, although I have no proof or even justification of that whatsoever, particularly since there are no packages in that directory yet.

As a developer, I'm interested in knowing what the plans/goals are for Diablo, so I can prepare for them in my code. As a user, I just want to know what cool stuff we're going to see. I can't find a lot of information online, however. The one thing I can gather is that it will support "firmware" upgrades via apt-get (thus not requiring a re-flash).

Anybody got the goods on Diablo? What can we expect as users? And what should I do to prepare as a developer?

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I'm not a developer but I've been curious about Diablo too. GeneralAntilles mentioned in another thread that it's currently being tested on the N800 and N810 so I wonder how far along it is in it's development. Should we expect it to be released around the same time this year as OS2008 last year?

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Seems to me it will be earlier than that, maybe for the summer.

http://svn.tinymail.org/trac/tinymai...l.maemo-diablo

Here's hope Modest will be the default mail client :) Or maybe another tinymail client?

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are we talking about the pc game???

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No! [some gibberish for fill-in]

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Personally I will be VERY sad if they go with Modest. Right now there is no SMIME (Encryption) support in Modest. And if they switch to Modest, my company will be forced to ditch the N8xx platform.

I don't understand why it is so difficult, since the current e-mail client supports it just fine and has been working quite well. Its the ONLY mobile e-mail software that supports encryption.

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the big thing about diablo will be that its the last firmware update that will force a complete device reset on update (fingers crossed).

and that means that they may not need to go modest at first, but can allow it to take over as default mail client at a later time (altho i would prefer a design like googles android where third party apps can take over the job of bundled apps as long as they have the right stuff in place, no questions asked).

all in all, its how the firmware should have been done from day one imo...

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As tso says, Diablo will be the first version of Maemo with in-place upgrades rather than complete reflashing (or, at least, that's the plan).

It will also be Maemo 5.0, not 4.1:

• 4.x is Chinook
• 5.x is Diablo
• 6.x is Elephanta.

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It sure is 4.1 in Maemo Extras... Maybe a mistake.

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I do not have much details about the "deep insides", but the good news that you do not need to do anything: All the Chinook-compatible apps I have tried (including MaemoMapper) on Diablo seem to install and work just fine.

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Wasn't chinook supposed to do that?

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So it is more like 4.1 then - no major library changes?

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No. That was planned for Diablo.

But other posters are correct-- in the flashing aspect, the new release is major... but in all other respects for the N800 and N810 it can be seen as minor.

Maemo 5 will be OS2009 IIRC.

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Is there a "roadmap" style report/document on what major milestones are planned for these upcoming releases and what devices it will run on. I know diablo will run on n8x0, but will maemo 5?

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Probably will, unless they drop support for N810 before an year rolls out.

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I don't have the answers, brontide, sorry. Those are questions for maemo guys... are you on the developer's email list?

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anybody have anythiing more than a guess as to when we will see it?

bhang

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...soon. :D

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I too hope Modest replaces the default mail client in Diablo. That and in-place firmware upgrades would make it a must-have for me. It'll be nice not to have to restore from back-up all the time....

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So, it sounds like Diablo maintains library/API backward compatibility. I hope the new SDK (if there is one) produces .deb packages that are also compatible with Chinook, to support "lazy" upgraders (and those who prefer Chinook). It didn't happen with the mistral-to-gregale upgrade, so I'm not too confident in that hope.

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That and the rtcomm update.

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Incontheivable! :p

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If Diablo is coming soon and the wimax tablet is going to be released this spring, then is it safe to say that the wimax tablet will be running Diablo?

If Diablo is, in all respects but one, a minor release as far as the N800 and N810 are concerned, then is it a major release for the wimax tablet? If so, maybe there are aspects of Diablo that only the new tablet can take advantage of because of differences in hardware specs. I've been wondering if the wimax tablet would have a more powerful processor and more memory to make it competitive with the MIDs that are coming out this year which are more powerful than the N800 and N810.

I'm a bit confused. Is Diablo Maemo 4.1 or 5.0? The headline of this thread says 4.1 but I've seen it referred to as 5.0 in a few places.

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It seems to be 4.1.

Given the mess we had with 3.x having about twenty different codenames, the point of the bora/chinook/diablo/elephanta was to clarify the codenames within each major release.

If Diablo is 4.1 after all, this could get confusing down the line; but matches with the comments in this thread from Texrat and Mara about the (relatively) contained set of changes.

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It certainly can. :D

Yes, like the WiMAX hardware. ;)

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Texrat says "...soon", eh? At this point, there is probably enough "data" in these forums based on Texrat/Mara's comments before previous releases to give a more concrete time frame for what "soon" actually means. I'm too lazy to do it, but it would be funny to see a time line of Texrat's comments against actual release dates for the previous iterations of the OS.

Should we be looking for green clovers in our Lucky Charms? Or perhaps the Easter bunny has something special for us? Or will they make Fool's of all of us and wait 'til April?

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LOL True but I still suspect there is more to this WiMax tablet than just WiMax and I can't wait to find out what's new even if it's just a repositioning of the Nokia logo. :D

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Heh... damn, I need to work on being more random in case you guys start ANALyzing! :eek: :D

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Yeah, interesting. I've been under the (apparently false?) impression that Diablo was the codename for OS2009/maemo 5.0, which was what I was basing most of my speculation on regarding its releasing timing and featureset. . . .

So, if Diablo is actually maemo 4.1, then that means that my projections about release in the fall with the N900 are incorrect, and that it's most probably gonna be released with the WiMAX tablet.

. . . more confusion, thanks Nokia! :rolleyes:

Good to know that the Diablo features are coming sooner rather than later, though, I guess.

Unlikely. Based on the product code (RX-48), release timeframe, information gathered here and from Nokia announcements, etc, etc.

Roadmap, and codenames.

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Ok, let me throw in a completely unfounded, made-up conspiracy theory.

Nokia promised that the N800 would run Diablo which was originally planned for much later on this year. The tablets are selling better than Nokia expected and the market segment is developing really fast now that the iPhone/Touch and eee-like devices are coming thick and fast.

Then Intel really starts to move on its low power SoC devices and it looks like Nokia are going to have to switch processors soon and that is going to seriously fork the code.

What to do about that Diablo promise? Re-label the next minor release Diablo and move on ...

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Interesting idea, if entirely unsubstantiated :-)

Like GeneralAntilles, I was under the impression that Chinook would be the codename for maemo 4.x, which meant Diablo would be 5.x and Elephanta 6.x.

If Diablo is 4.1 after all, it seems odd to have a codename for a minor release; but if it's a major release, why not bump the major version number? If it's just OS2008 + WiMAX support, 4.1 makes sense (but not, necessarily the Diablo name). That'd make OS2009/maemo 5.0 == Elephanta.

Aha! They want to make Elephanta maemo 5.0 so that the initial letter corresponds to its position in the (English) alphabet. That'd make maemo 6.0 one of Foehn or Freemantle. What they do when they get back to "G" and can't use "Gregale", I've no idea :-)

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"Minor" is relative.

The ability to upgrade without losing apps will be MAJOR for the typical consumer.

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Perhaps explaining the recent price cuts?

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Provided there are further releases to upgrade to.......

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A fair point Luca.

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You're doubtful that the ITs have a future?

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That would be me. If only I could reflash my firmware now without needing to reinstall all my apps again...

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Doubtful that Nokia will stick with the current hardware/CPU, I guess. With MIDs being the hot thing these days, Nokia may need to up the ante and start defending a segment that they have created.

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well there is always hacker editions, those should be more maintainable that way...
(inplace updates that is)

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What is this, the fourth time now that I've told you that that feature had always been planned for Diablo? :rolleyes:

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It doesn't look like anything of the sort. Sure, Intel is pushing the lower-power x86, but they're still nowhere near the efficiency of the ARM stuff. It'll be at least another year before they can match it (probably more), and you can be certain that TI isn't gonna be sitting on their hands with the OMAP stuff while Intel is trying to catch up.

Besides, Nokia has a huge investment in ARM and OMAP, and a very strong relationship with TI (as I've mentioned in other threads). They get huge volume discounts on the OMAP stuff with because of their phones, and they know the OMAP. These are not things you throw away lightly for what amounts to a less efficient, and more expensive processor lineup targeted at larger and more expensive devices (the MIDs are somewhere between the NITs and the UMPCs) that you don't really have any experience with.

No, Nokia isn't dropping OMAP anytime soon.

Look at the reaction of 770 owners to the OS2007 issue, there's no way they would do this again with N800/N810 owners, especially not after promising them support through what pretty much everybody understood to be OS2009.

Promises aside, they can't possibly expect to get away with only a single major revision for the N810. Something like that could effectively kill the platform. . . .