Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition - The Real Internet Finally Made Mobile
 

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... except there's no WiMAX anywhere to speak of (and none whatsoever in Europe), the first large-ish scale launch is delayed for several months (and that's being optimistic) and at least two different technologies are being deployed by competitors.

What are the odds that this is the equivalent of HD-DVD?

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The same as the odds that LTE is equivalent to Blu-ray?
Of course, I don't know the odds on either yet;
And I think they more likely play out like CDMA vs. GSM, anyway, given that the mobile data market is already highly segmented by carrier, so many customers are used to, so the carriers can easily perpetuate it.

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if LTE is done in a similar fashion to UMTS, it will probably be dual mode or even triple mode devices (LTE, UMTS, GSM).

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We can speculate all we like at this early stage, but only time will tell the failure or success of WiMAX.

Spec-wise, who would have predicted VHS over betamax? Seriously, folks.

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VHS, people are lazy bastards.

thats also why DVD took over so rapidly from VHS, while blu-ray will not (and the hd-dvd vs blu-ray stuff didnt help).

this about it, the only thing that blu-ray offer vs dvd is upped resolution. the "no rewind" is the same, the "choose any part of the movie to start at without fast forwarding" is the same. and lets not forget that the added bitrate stuff have been tried ones before. audio dvd's anyone? same number of songs as a cd, but use a dvd player and media to store them at a higher bit rate. sounds familiar? i have yet to know anyone that actually listen to those.

and at the same time one have to replace the whole setup, tv, player, cabling, to get the benefits.

and same was for CD vs cassette, only that the self-flipping nature of most cassette players there helped keep it around longer imo. and now the CD is being replaced by data files simply because you can transfer and create mix lists in limitless numbers.

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And of course, P2P downloads have nothing to do with the remarkably speedy shift to full digital... :rolleyes:

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Not really, the switch to CDs was seriously under way (if not complete) before napster, the first popular peer-to-peer music redistribution system.

Although that would fit with this explanation quite nicely too.

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And don't forget iomega tapes!

Man, my stepdad lost a mint on their stock because he didn't believe when I told him CD-ROM was gonna kick iomega's butt...

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Yeah, CED's time has finally come. I can feel it!

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Wasn't this thread about the N810 WiMAX version ? ;)

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Not really... Check out http://www.cm-sjm.pt/index.php?oid=7770&op=all
(in Portuguese)

São João da Madeira (a city in the north of Portugal) is fully covered by Wimax (for 30 selected users... there's always a catch :) - everybody else gets free city-wide internet access through Wifi) since the 11th of October 2007.

So, again, prices are gonna go down in America (even if the n810 already costs much less that what it costs in Europe - and even if Nokia is an European brand) as the wimax version will cost $479. Us Europeans will go on paying €479 for the non-wimax version.

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Once again I think Nokia has taken a shot at what technology might evolve to.
Unfortunately shooting at future technology is more like partridge/grouse hunting then shooting clay pigeons. The partridge moves all over the place and might go to ground. The clay goes in a fairly predictable line.
From early 2007
Whoops, missed that one.

Someone else must be good at numbers, but I look at the N810we as a collectors item. I fail to see how extremely limited service (won't have WiMAX in Manhattan, Kansas, Tupelo, Mississippi, etc.) minor hardware changes (I would have preferred the FM radio brought back) and a continuing failure to add in a good PIM will add value to the N810, we or not.

I just hope any delay in WiMAX doesn't delay Diablo.

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This is quite the gamble bringing this out but I can see them changing the radio for anything else as required. Considering that I've long given up on wide area wireless in Canada (cell companies, what a joke) or wasn't hopeful for the short term I was excited to imagine WiMAX. Right now I'm wondering if a more global standard would be better. I expect to hear about an N810L or whatever the non U.S. device will be.

How about if the new radio was a modular device that is user or local shop changeable? The WiMAX/LT/Ethernet whatever device can be changed to whatever the user can use? My laptop didn't come with BT but $22 for a (internal and actually works) module and a few minutes later I have BT.

And for existing ITs they could build a BT device with the WiWOW/yada radio. Built to work 100% on the Ns since I won't trust generic BT devices anymore. A palm sized device like the 10X GPS that will tether to the IT and easily come online. I see that little addon toy a hot item whether WiMAX or whatever it all becomes.

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But you must remember:

In the real world:
1€ = 1,5738 $
On Technology Products:
1$ = 1,5738 €

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I watched a video a moments ago and it was said that the n810 wimax will only work on carriers in the United States. If other countries offer same 2.5 Ghz service wouldnt you just search for signals and type in login details just like in any other internet modem?

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Link to this video?

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No, AFAIK WiMAx standard does not mandate the method for network authentication. Also, I think n810 is only certified compatible with XOHM.

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That's not completely correct, WiMAX is a standards based technology, if you deliver a true WiMAX product it better work with anyone's network supporting WiMAX or you can't call it WiMAX; the question comes down to the frequency range being used by the provider which will determine if you can interconnect with a WiMAX signal. Of course actually getting access to a network will be similar to how many Wi-Fi hotspots work today where there may or may not be an authentication mechanism used to gain access to the internet.

Nokia's release of the WiMAX on the IT tablets is nothing more then a beta test for Nokia...which I believe all long as been the idea behind the IT's in general. It let's Nokia test out various technologies such as WiMAX, using Linux, VoIP, etc. on a rather sophisticated user base (most of use know what a xterm window is :) while not committing a ton of capital towards there real money making cell phone product.

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First off, what I said is that the WiMax standard does not mandate a particular method for authentication. Anyway, you are the one who is not completely correct. You can call it WiMax; you just can't call it WiMax Certified unless it's compliant.
http://www.wimaxforum.org/certificat...cation_program
The WiMax standard (802.16) itself has different variations, not the least of which is mobile and fixed. A modem for fixed WiMax will not work on a mobile WiMax network. Unlike GPRS, you can't accurately say any WiMax device will work on anyone's wimax network.

And compatibility, from the perspective of a user who thinks "type in login details just like in any other internet modem?", is not limited to frequency. He/she is clearly referring to, but not understanding, authentication. Your analogy to 802.11a/b/g hotspots and that there "may or may not" be an authentication mechanism only proves my point.

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I agree. WiMAX means diddly to me because I live in the middle of nowhere. I will NEVER live in a big city. Heck I'm lucky to get the slowest cell internet connections where I work so what do I care? All the cool gadgets and gizmos will continue to be in the realm of the city folks until a good three years (and that's being generous) after they're introduced. So the WiMAX N810 is just a dressed up version of the N810 to me. :)

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true but the black is sexy as hell , and i havent figured out how to disassemble the 810 to powdercoat it like i did my 800

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"Alcatel-Lucent To Build Mobile WiMax Network" - Saw this story on Information Week: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...requestid=4347

Targeting Palm Springs, FL - no dates given.
"The Palm Springs network will operate in the 2.5-GHz spectrum band".
Does this mean the n810we could work there?

-Jay

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very likely, yes.

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The 810wme was really designed for Clearwire/Xohm. But it sounds like this network might be similar to Clearwire, so you might get lucky...

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I was going to say that a large portion of Canada is covered by Wimax, but a little more research puts that into question. Bell and Rogers co-own a fairly vast network, but it doesn't appear to be "true" WiMAX. The Inukshuk network web page states, "This next generation IP wireless network based on pre-WiMAX standards enables portable megabit services," so that suggests that, even if you did subscribe, and you did have an N810, it might not work. Pretty big gamble.

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I don't have the links handy, but in my previous searches relating to Canadian WiMAX, I found a Motorola press release or two boasting of the use of Expedience to extend Internet access to the Inuit. This and a few other findings led me to propose in the "Canadian Strategy - N810 WiMAX Edition" thread that Rogers' talk of "pre-WiMAX" and "upgrading" indicates that they have been issuing dual-mode subscriber units, are currently running an entirely Expedience network, and are only just now planning a transition to WiMAX at some future date.

If this is correct, then the N810 WiMAX Edition is of no greater value in the great white north than the other tablets, and there's a good reason why we've had no hints from Nokia that Canada might be an upcoming market for their next tablety toy. Were there a ready network a few miles north, I doubt Nokia would be pinning the success of the Halloween Edition on Sprint's shaky promises here in the U.S. They created the tablet series in part to free themselves from the whims and fortunes of the American carriers, after all.

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I tried to contact another company (MDS) claiming "pre-wimax" and haven't received a reply. This is typical, I've sent countless messages to various companies trying to get synchronous service whether wireless or not and I feel lucky to get a reply at all and those replies were typically "no, sorry". Now I'm getting the same about WiMAX. It looks like they are targeting unserved areas and trying to avoid any overlap with their other services. Citywide wireless indeed, nice for publicity but reality is something else.

As for Bell/Rogers, I don't even want to contact them as they will no doubt only support their brick modems or eventually their locked down devices. I really doubt they would offer me something that might give me simple data access at simple prices and let me access my own services that allow me to avoid their services that I have zero interest in.

Pathetic actually. A very promising technology is once again being squandered. But it is still early, someday perhaps. I like the idea enough to consider being an early adopter which isn't my style but I'm not going to beg them to take my money.

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This WiMAX Edition video makes no secret of its San Francisco setting. Apart from the numerous obvious visual cliches, the street signs at the corner of Liberty and Sanchez more-or-less confirm it.

I've never heard mention of WiMAX in San Francisco, present or future.

Am I missing something, or is Nokia intentionally misleading its potential customers? How would the latter case serve anyone's interest, even Nokia's?

Norm.

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I think you may be overthinking the situation, nbyoung. It probably had more to do with logistics.