Mobile Firefox Is Six Times Faster Than Nokia's Browser on the N810
 

Hi,

Someone knows where I can find more info about this faster browser? may be the debs ;)

Regards,

Taguapire.

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Search?

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I've used it and to be honest, it's not faster. It does have kinetic scrolling and some good ideas, but they have only released the first version and that is slower than the current microb (at least the diablo microb - haven't been using chinook for a long time). The test they are referring to is actually a javascript test mainly. Anyway, I'm sure they'll be able to get it to a really good speeds soon, but for now, it's not better than microb.

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Ahem, isn't the Diablo MicroB supposed to be based on a FF 3b4+? 'Cause the Chinook one is based on a slow alpha.

P.S. Can we get the Diablo MicroB? Can we, can we? :)))

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Good things come to those who wait :P

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And we do that a lot with MicroB, so good things must be comin'!

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Will Mobile Firefox play radio station's streams from their web sites? Thanks!

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I guess perhaps someone should be able to build a backport of microB? For the more adventurous of us....

Myself, I built a backport of application manager. The stupid "too long version string"-bug was fixed, I have an "update all" button finally, and I haven't had any issues - other than a couple of missing translations, but I can live with that.

I could really like a "backports"-repositiory. That would also have the added benefit for the developers of having more beta-testers, no?

- Vegard

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It's sounds like this http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=349 :) (.install icluded)

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Good things come to those who compile from SVN!

Yeah, a repo of SVN builds would be nice. "Backport" seems a bit strong, as I'm guessing most things for Diablo (4.1) will compile against Chinook (4.0) libraries just fine. (I get the impression there are few significant library changes.) To me, the more significant detail is that they're coming out of SVN, and therefore non-QA and possibly broken. But whatever it's called, such a repo would be nice.

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I installed it -- starting up it seems a lot slower than the built in microb browser. However once it loaded it was "MUCH" faster and hugely more stable than the MicroB browser. I am very (very) impressed by it. It has some minor issues showing the back/forward button and the close button on the toolbar; no icons show up.

correction; apparently I was wrong initially when I posted this and Fennec and Minefield are two separate themes. Minefield is pretty much identical to firefox and can use standard extensions. Fennec is a themed firefox without much enabled. They BOTH use the same executable; but use different themes. So the memory usage and speed are equivalent.

Someone in the thread above mentioned the Diablo MicroB browser; the thing diablo doesn't have (and I'm "assuming" since I haven't played with it) is that the normal Firefox extensions just work with Minefield, in MicroB you had to have special non xul extensions. So, Minefield is like using firefox on your n810; everything works. TABS!, Places, toolbars, status bar; and best of all the standard ADD-ONs!!!

I installed both Adblock Plus and NoScript right from the Firefox extensions page and they seem to be working perfectly. MicroB requires specially designed non-xul extensions.

Even if Diablo's microb is in the same "speed" range as Fennec/Minefield, I'd pick Minefield since it acts like the STANDARD firefox rather than a limited crippled version.

Oh, and the Ram (even with the extensions load) and CPU usage based on the Load tool are less using Fennec/Minefield than MicroB. Which is always a good thing!!!

One thing against it; I'm not sure it can do flash right now -- it shows a missing plugin -- their might be a method to take the flash the microb does and apply its plugin to Fennec/Minefield. I didn't bother trying since I don't use flash anyways. But for completeness of my review; I figured I should mention it.

Install Link btw:
http://people.mozilla.org/~vladimir/fennec.install

-- Updated to make sure I used Fennec and Minefield where appropriate. ;-)

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I tried it last week and it didn't play nicely with google reader - something I use way too often... It also didn't seem to play very nicely with gmail. I am looking forward to it's firther development though.

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As someone who's way more excited about XUL than anyone else who's posted to the ITT forums, I'd have to say that Flash is the more likely sine qua non for tablet users.

And obviously you wouldn't be saying that about your Flash needs if you had made the same mistake I made and followed that thread about Flash games and downloaded too many of them and then played way too many of those too many. But then, as the saying goes, perhaps you don't have time for any minor vices. :-)

Roger

(Walks away, singing "I'm just a fool for XUL, it's cool, a tool for building neat stuff"...)

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Are you aware you can do that with microb with the mplayer plug-in?

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It just didn't work. The Fennec Icon don't start up the app.

Any clues?

Regards,

Taguapire.

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edited. laalaalaa sorry


I'm just having a bad day..

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Does anyone know any working themes/extensions and what are the keyboard shortcuts on N810?

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LOL it isn't that I'm excited about XUL, its that I'm excited about using Standard MAINTAINED firefox extensions. The browser works faster and better than MicorB (in my experience) and supports extensions that will be maintained. That is a huge plus!!!


LOL, no I love games -- but for browsing I don't use flash -- man does that take a huge hit on the microb, and battery. If I want to play a flash game, I'm not opposed to opening microb. ;-)


Nathan.

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The only problem with add-ons is the memory consumption (and CPU possibly) that they would use.

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As I stated above; MicroB was using more memory (& cpu time) then Minefield was w/ Adblock+ and noScript installed. ;-)

Having tabs, speed and standard extensions in a smaller footprint is very nice.

I assume that Diablo's browser would probably also see a dip in memory size since it should be using a beta engine (Like Fennec/Minefield) rather than a the early alpha that MicroB is using.

Nathan.

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Tried with this new performance testing site:

http://dromaeo.com

Let me tell ya that Fennec is far more faster from MicroB than 6x.

Here are my results:

http://dromaeo.com/?id=5181

And another interesting article:

http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=352

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Not a valid comparison, as those numbers are being significantly offset by the old snapshot that MicroB is currently using.

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Just interested: What are the results for the chinook microb (as in: how much faster was the fennec on that test than microb?)

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That was a problem - i didn't even had the nerve to wait for it to finish the first test. Then again maybe the first test behaves much worse on the early alpha.

I'll leave it running when i get to a charger.

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Chinook MicroB

http://dromaeo.com/?id=5380

I'd like to see these numbers for the latest Diablo build, too. :D

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Fennec is about 10 times faster then :) EDIT: My fist test is also around 54000.
EDIT: I was looking only at the first test. Overall it seems under 6x.

I'm running it too now... I needed first to tweak the javascript warning window to not show up too quickly (add this to prefs.js):

Don't forget to remove it after that though.

My Chinook MicroB results:
http://dromaeo.com/?id=5490

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Microb took in these results 298647 and fennec took 61814. Interesting. Of course, this is really just a javascript benchmark, but interesting nevertheless.

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Javascript is used very intensively in Web 2.0 sites, so faster javascript means faster browser these days. :)

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Amen, brother!

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I know we always said "If you build it, they will come"* but I'm not sure how many people believed that building this platform would bring the big development projects like Mozilla this way by now. (Or rather that they would put the NIT square in their viewer when thinking "mobile platform.")

Faster surfing. Better Flash. More stable surfing. That's so far. Now we see this coming: Even faster surfing. Better Web 2.0. XUL for add-ons. Use any Firefox add-on without modification.

Things just keep looking up, don't they!



__________
* From Field of Dreams (1989), for you non-baseball-movie types.

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Well of course. Firefox 3 has alot of optimizations and reductions in uses. But, what I was saying was if you start installing lots of Firefox extensions like I have on my laptop, it's going bog it down. :P

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Well, i'm not sure about that.... I really didn't see any add-ons in Fennec, i also tried installing Ad-block but nothing happened. So i guess there will be addon support, but thats just a guess for now...

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It is nice to see the Maemo/IT platform out front and center when discussing mobile, this Firefox on mobile has generated a lot of interest around the interwebs as has the Android on N810 hardware. As said before I really like the idea of using the N810 as a Firefox platform with all the extensions etc.

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I'm only quoting Nathan, who wrote:

www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169210&postcount=11

Also, I should note: I'm not excitedly crowing "It's here! It's here!" What is exciting to me is that the news about these features is based on actual testing and actual betas, not just speculation that it will come soon.

I'm not saying, "We have XUL now!" though these beta-testers do. But I am saying, "We CAN run XUL add-ons, look it's in the beta, and we'll be able to SOON."

I get pretty excited about potential sometimes. I should say that when that's what I'm talking about.

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Yes, i know that, but i'm also pretty sure that the bundled Minefield with Fennec has actually misguided some people. There are no places, toolbars and tabs in Fennec, there are in Minefield.

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I will slightly correct my prior posts. ;-)

Both Fennec and Minefield are in the same distribution. My Fennec icon/menu item was not working so I assumed minefield was it. After playing with the Fennec configuration file; I was able to fix my Fennec menu item. So I can run either of them now.

You have to realize that all Fennec is, is basically a theme applied to minefield to clean it up a bit for smaller screens. In fact both Fennec and Minefield run the exact same "Firefox" application; just one of them changes the directory for where the Chrome is located at. My earlier rant about using XUL, Adblock-Plus, NoScript and Tabs, and standard FF behavior is from testing the Minefield menu item, not the Fennec menu item. Disabling the Bookmark bar in Minefield gives you enough room that tabs can be used w/o making it too small. ;-D

However, playing with "both" of them, I still much prefer the minefield app (appears to be the same speed as Fennec, and memory usage). Which either of them just blows MicroB away.

Oh, and yes; minefield DOES support XUL, No-Script, Adblock+ and Places. Fennec, might, but I haven't really played with it too much since I got it working and realized I didn't really like the simplified theme. Maybe I'm a power user or something; but I like having my cake and eating it too. ;-)

Nathan.

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It most certainly is -- since Diablo is not in the wild the only real valid comparisons is between released versions of software. Comparing a "unreleased" browser to an existing one is a not-fair comparison. ;-)

I assume Diablo's MicroB will be probably in the same ball park since it should also be using a Firefox Beta engine rather than A5; but as I stated before; using Minefield vs MicroB (Chinook or the supposed Diablo), Minefield wins because of the standard firefox behavior (like tabs, extensions, etc).

Nathan

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Some seem to be trying to make the point that Minefield/Fennec is faster than MicroB because MicroB is poorly coded or badly put together or badly optimized or somesuch—but this simply isn't true, MicroB is just based on a much older snapshot of Gecko. So drawing certain conclusions from these comparisons is neither particularly valid nor useful.

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I'd be interested in the results on the old Opera browser from Bora. For all the things we gained with MicroB, Opera always felt faster on the JS-heavy sites. I was kind of sad to see it go.

Looking forward to seeing what Diablo's MicroB can do, and hopefully seeing Diablo's in-place updates eventually give us better and better versions as Gecko and MicroB are optimized and improved.

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I don't think Opera would pass this test at all. Even desktop Opera is notoriously bad on Javascript.