C development environment on the Nokia IT
 

Hi -

I know that the prevailing wisdom is that software builds should be done using Scratchbox on a PC-based Linux platform. I do, in fact, have an Ubuntu virtual machine on my Windows laptop for the express purpose of building software for my N800.

However........

I now have two 16GB SD memory cards on my N800, one of which is completely empty. I have no lack of storage space, and I think that I really do want to have a complete development environment resident on my N800. I don't care that the N800 is slower; I'm spending more time sloshing files back and forth.

So....

Is there a recipe, and ideally a repository set up to do C software development on the N800? For what it's worth, I'm still using IT OS 2007, and have decided not to upgrade due to the inferior xterm in OS 2008...

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Using Red Pill or apt-get you can set up anything.

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I don't think OS2007 xterm was any better than the new one. On-screen or normal keyboard - it is still slow to write, better use ssh.

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good luck to you

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It's a little tricky setting things up on OS 2007 (on OS 2008 there is an all-in-one package installable via the Application Manager when in Red Pill Mode).

I was able to set up gcc (and g++) under OS 2007. IIRC, you need to grab and install (using Red Pill Mode)

binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb
cpp-3.4_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb
g++-3.4_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb
gcc-3.4_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb
gcc-3.4-base_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb
libstdc++6_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb
libstdc++6-dev_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8_armel.deb

Which you can find on or around http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/

I like the OS 2007 terminal better too as it has word completion (disabled in OS 2008's terminal due to ssh passwords showing up) and the Ctrl key didn't require a pop-up dialog. But setting a C\C++\C# dev environment on OS 2008 is much easier.

If you do use OS 2007, I recommend SciTE as a nice development IDE.
http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...Q/sciteIDE.png

Under OS 2008 (and possibly OS 2007), there is now Geany.

http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...rfXQ/geany.png

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Have you seen fiferboy's xterm builds?Teh 13 version is llike the 2007 one with no ctrl popup dialog.

PyGTKeditor is also nnice. I have scratchbbox installed but when I get a memcard, I'm gonna setup a development environment with maemocjk and a lot of hacking tools.

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Thanks qwerty12. I downloaded the two builds of fifferboy's Terminal and will try them out.

Another major thing which I don't like about the OS 2008 Terminal is the lack of Caps Lock.

PyGTKeditor is a nice syntax editor, but it's not an IDE. The good thing about it is that unlike SciTE and Geany on OS 2008, it can use the built-in Matchbox Keyboard.

BTW: SciTE works (looks) better when ran via root. I setup Personal Menu today to launch it like that.

http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...zsA/scite2.png

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which all in one package is it on 2008?

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In Red Pill Mode, it shows up as 'build-essential'. It's a wrapper package.

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OK, so I got that all going. Downloaded SciTE and tried it.
Is there a Maemo version of SciTe, as it takes a lot of room with the menu bar in the wrong place, and the file selector is almost impossible to use well.

However, I got to main() and when to put a brace in and hit the first problem. How do you do a brace? I got my 810 yesterday. I did a search and it said you pressed the chr key and got a character map, but I didn't and don't seem to be able to. I found pressing the chr and pressing keys give a few random characters, but no brace.

Anyone know how to do this, or some editor that is like SciTE but maemo'ised?

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The best way to get those braces in Geany on an N810 is to click 'NEW' and choose C++ source file. Then it gives you a basic template with open and close braces for the main function. Then you copy and paste. It's annoying...but...cheaper than a bluetooth keyboard.

My problem is that I can't get xterm to stay open after compiling and running a hello world thing. It say compiled correctly, then launches xterm, but it disappears right away.

Any Ideas?

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grinn, i use a bluetooth keyboard on my 810 to do most hacking, otherwise i do c&p coding (moving prewritten code blocks around and small tweaks).

i'm not sure about using a full IDE on the device, but I use pygtkeditor for actually manipulating the files and leave a console window open for make/run cycles.

when I'm at home, i use winscp to access the files stored on my nokia from my windows machine and edit using komodo edit.
again, I have an ssh console window open for building and output.

gcc and tools are on the device, all compilation is done natively.

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lcuk,

I know a little java and am teaching myself basic c++. All I want out of this thing is the ability to write, compile and run very baisc C++ code on the 'go'.

I just tried pygtkeditor with a c++ hello world and it launched xterm properly but didn't know what to do with the code.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

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launch xterm outside of pygtkeditor, and switch between them - pygtkeditor is geared towards building python apps and the build button tries to do just that..

click save, alt tab, up arrow, return :)

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You can tweak /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 , one can even have another set of symbols usable with shift+fn (fourth column in the file, by default same as third one). It is a bit tricky to press but quite possible, one needs to press shift first, then fn and hold them both. Possible with left thumb. Also chr can be tweaked to be alt or anything else. So you can map braces to anything you like.

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BTW, did you know there are gcc options to reduce memory consumption of the compiler? I thought gcc is bloated and huge C/C++ sources require lot of memory but looks like it is simply bad tuning. I had problem with compiling VICE emulator source directly on the device even with 192MB of swap enabled and someone on Pandora forum told me about gcc options --param ggc-min-expand=x --param ggc-min-heapsize=x and it made huge difference. With --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=16384 VICE compiled fine without using lot of swap.

I don't want to start wiki page just with this info so it goes here, this thread is related.