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A manifesto for the walkaround-web tablet
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im not sure i agree with the flash requirement. i think the w3c dropped the ball when they removed ogg from the html5 text. yes, streaming media is part of the web but it needs a codec that can be implemented anywhere, any time.
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Without Flash, you don't have it. Note that I haven't brought Java into this. That's a significant hole in the NIT's capabilities, with web-surfing effects. But I don't think Java rises to the level of walkaround-web necessity. |
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Java applets can bring even a desktop computer to its knees. I don't expect them on a NIT soon with a decent performance.
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Since the 770 isn't being sold anymore, I regard it as a minor point. But in its heyday, I only ever trumpeted its "instant on" feature. It wasn't until the N800 arrived that I realized the significance of "always on." So in that regard, it's really a matter of my arriving on the same page as the Nokia group and not the other way round. Roger |
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thing is that i see the web getting where it is now but virtue of its basic building blocks being free to use in any way or form that someone can think of. flash, silverlight and similar breaks with that. java did to, but it seems sun is planing to go GPL on it fully. still, somehow i suspect thats more like a captain of a warship sinking it so that it do not fall into enemy hands... basically i want to see any kind of media plugin banished to the fiery pits of hell. |
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Before, I would take the 770 out, take the cover off and it was instantly on and connected. Now I take the 810 out of the sleve and find it has instantly drained its battery and now unusable when I want it. Now I am thinking what is the point taking it anywhere? the only way I can guarantee it that it is going to work is if I switch it off before, making it much less instantly on than the 770 was. |
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I don't think the "full desktop experience web" as it is right now, that can be enjoyed on the ITs, is suitable for a 'walkaround experience'. Multiple columns format, especially those filled with advertising, navigation and pointers to a site's other content should be simplified for a 'walk around' experience so one does not need to hunt-and-peck too much and deal with unnecessary contents that reduces your desired content to just 1\3rd or 1\4th of the screen.
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As you said I guess I need to 'figure out what it is' that is wrong, somehow, however I can do that. Although I don't see how having wifi on when I am not using it really helps me. |
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I cannot remember if this feature is available by default or if one has to edit mce.ini to turn it on. If you short-press the power button to get the menu, is there an Offline mode (2nd option down here)? Turning off the radio goes a long way here in saving battery time, as does turning off AP scanning, and setting idle times down to like 5 minutes. It still only takes about 15-20 seconds to go back online. (Short press power, select Normal mode, attempting to surf or check email will cause the NIT to attempt to find an AP, or connect through my phone if none available.) Just an idea. Now, if I could figure out why my battery meter goes from 2/3 to "Charge battery now" within seconds, sometimes. |
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But I definitely agree when it comes to in-your-face graphic advertising. I have truly had enough. Quote:
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tabletrat , have you tried disabling the metalayer-crawler?
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But you need to set it (in the General tab) for a search interval of never, or it will try to reconnect (and often loop endlessly scanning), which is a big power drain. |
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I have the thing where it locks the keyboard when it gets dark, which is mostly good (except it often locks when I hold it wrong). Some kind of timeout when the keys are locked would be good. |
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it is (in my opinion a useless) process that scans your cards for media files. removing it has no advers affects what so ever. in addition to improved battery life , startup time is improved. to disable it , have becomeroot installed and in xterm type....
sudo gainroot /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop cd /usr/sbin mv /etc/rc2.d/S99metalayer-crawler0 /etc/rc2.d/K99metalayer-crawler0 exit exit |
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OK, done that, thanks.
seems like maemo-launcher is taking 12% processor time doing nothing. Is it supposed to? - 1060 user 40548 SW< /usr/bin/hildon-desktop I charged my nokia at work, so it was full at 17:15. I then put it in my bag locked. I got home, had dinner, chatted on the net on the powerbook. It is now 19:35, so 2:20 later got the nokia out and the batery meter is on half and says idle 3 days, in use less than an hour. Brightness is half (although it was off in my bag), wireless is on. |
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on my n810 , i always have it set on max brightness , though i do have the light sensor disabled as well so that helps reclaim a bit of cpu. in general , id say on mine , i could surf the web for at least 5-6 hours straigh with screen on max brightness before i need to recharge. what types of apps do you have installed that may be running in the background?
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Virtually nothing yet, I have only had it a week or so.
I have installed a couple of text editors, maemo mapper, the C++ build tools, ssh, numpty physics. Apart from ssh, I would have thought that the other stuff wouldn't be doing much unless I ran it. It was second hand, although the previous user was far from technical (I suspect they sold it as it wasn't windows, as there were a few .exe files in download), so I doubt they put anything on it. The battery life on the 770 was good, so I was suprised at how bad the 810 is. |
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I would also remove unnecessary WiFi networks from the device and try to test battery drain at different WiFi points. The reason I say this is my 810 will last at least 2 days of medium usage at my home, work, walking around.... but if I go down to my in-laws the battery will drain in a few hours because of the crappy crappy DSL/WiFi combo that Verizon hands out. I can reproduce the effect every time I go down there, I have to go offline or switch off the device or it will be dead before I leave. |
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It wasn't charging at the time, no.
There is only one wifi connection on the list, which is my current home wifi connection. It is a belkin N1, running in G mode. |
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seem like your battery might be fubar.... as i said , my 810 has great battery life. as im always using it.... my girlfriend says im addicted to it LOL
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Beware of measuring percentage of CPU use; 12% at 166 MHz is about 5% of total capacity. (And I'm assuming it was at 166 MHz, but if it's idle, it probably was.)
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Well, it wasn't idle, it was running top! But yes, I see your point.
Maybe my battery is duff, but the machine is pretty new, it would be suprising if the battery was that bad that quickly |
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really bad. As u said i cannot go 2 hours without a battery change. Did you buy yours second hand? or brand new?? |
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It is second hand, but the unit itself is only a couple of months old so surely the battery can't be that bad already?
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Honestly, though, it sounds more like an issue of the device not hitting idle due to something sucking up cycles (one of the pitfalls of a demand-based power management system). |
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My *personal* opinion about this manifesto. Cool and seems like you have a plan. :)
However, maybe it's the politized European in me that would expect a manifesto difficult to achieve, even with some element of utopia. This one looks like an interesting approach, but still not The Manifesto that would stand, say, during the XXIst century. If I can continue with the *personal* opinion, the comments from the ITT old guard are not helping much Reggie's efforts at dreaming a bright future. ;) Guys, forget for a moment the transient issues (codecs & formats, system performance, hardware polishment) and dream about what really doesn't exist and will change our lives once we have it. This is the least I would expect from a trascendent manifesto. Another question is if a piece of technology alone can bring that, but that's another story. :) |
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ok, forgetting all issues with what doesn't exist.
A 64GB colour newton with built in wireless/3G/GPS and we are there! |
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