I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Somehow bring up the onscreen keyboard, Menu>Input method>Handwriting.

There are 2 ways one can set the HWR speed, and I am NOT sure which one takes precedent. You can either go into Control panel>Text input settings or Menu>Tools>Settings. I set them both to the minimum, to have the fastest interpretation.

Menu>Tools>Settings>Handwriting speed set to the lowest. This is the biggest counter intuition Nokia has done. minus means fast, the interpretation is eye-blinking fast, while plus means slow, the interpretation takes forever. I believe most people complaining about the handwritten recognition is poor because they probably set this damn thing to a 5+ and thinking that is the fastest! Anyhow, set it to the lowest, you would be surprise the handwritten recogn is better than palm! This is the biggest counter intuition I have ever seen.

Now you are ready to program your shortcuts for repetitive typings. There are at least Shortcuts (Western) and Shortcuts (Greek) and a 16 shortcuts each for a total of 32! You can have your tablets to remember 32 typings you always use, OMG!
Menu>Tools>Teach handwriting:
Input type: choose Shortcuts(Western),
Phrase> Edit: type the phrase you use repetitively, say, "Why are you so difficult?". Just type the phrase, no quotations
Pattern>Edit: draw anything you want except it CANNOT be similar to patterns that already exist, say draw a dumb triangle.

Bingo. From now on, everytime you draw that pattern, the dumb triangle, the phrase comes up nicely, be it xterm, web address, gnumeric or even maemo mapper!
Got to go now, very busy in cooking my 32 shortcuts and the re-discovery of handwritten recogn capabilty of the tablet. Try it, I was a palm user, and I said, the tablet handwritten recogn is totally not bad after adjusting the ****** handwriting speed.

Edit: BTW, even if you still "hate" handwriting input, you can still program your repetitive typing and just change the input from keyboard to handwriting to use the programed pattern, then change input back to keyboard. Try it, you can program a whopping 32 long commands for your xterm/web surfing or whatnots...

Example: a shortcut to go to a particular thread of iTT on your tablet:
make a shortcut for "http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=", type the shortcut and enter the thread #, you jump right to the thread without delay!

Edit:6/28/08: there are more shortcut tricks on thread #10.

Enjoy,

Edit: No wonder everybody is screaming and complaining, the handwriting speed is default to 5+, snail interpretation. Is Nokia/team on prozac? What would they think a snail slow HWR is good for the tablet? So, if you do NOT aware of the handwriting speed setting or never play with it, factory setting is 5+.

Edit 5/30/9 The default I notice today it is 3+, not 0, nor 5+ any more, so Nokia kind of agree with this post, I guess.

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Thanks, Bun. I never even knew about the shortcuts. I might find it useful sometime.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Please re try the handwritten input. It is fantastic! It gives me almost 100% accuracy. That damn handwritten speed is really really ******.

This saves a lot of typing on my fingers, OMG!

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I did try it again. It works very well for most of the letters, though if there's just a few that aren't trained to your own liking, it's so hard to type! I need to teach it a few letters. I guess I just write weird. I tried handwriting maybe once or twice in the first week I got my n800 and I kind of skipped over it since then. I'll teach it a few of my 'special' letters and see how it goes later. Thanks again Bun, I think those shortcuts will come in handy.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I have problem with the lower case 't' and since I teach it, it no longer give me any problem. Still, the point I want to make, the handwritten recogn of the tablet is NOT that hopeless as I initially thought. And I use the tablet to input text at least 5 min per hour EVERYDAY! I am in heaven :D

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Bunanson, I tried your suggestion, but the only thing that happens is that the recognizer still recognizes letters wrongly, only faster so. I did the training (another crappy "idea" is that you have to train for every language all over again!) and the shortcuts things a very long time ago, but I routinely keep getting wrongly recognized capitals, mangled "i"s, "g"s, "r"s and "v"s, unwanted spaces and missing letters due to not enough space.

It still sucks, only faster now...

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

The lowercase 't' kills me. 'K' is bad sometimes too. If you really get into handwriting recognition, I suggest disabling some of the default letters to avoid conflicts, in addition to teaching your own. Though unwanted spaces is a common problem for me. One thing I didn't know you could do though, is just drawing a new letter over an icorrect letter to replace it. That's really useful.

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I guess it is very subjective. I am totally palm trained in HWR, I wrote in palm with 100% acceptance. I guess that may make a difference. I totally agree with you, tapping is still slightly faster. But again, I remember the first day I use Palm, I uttered the same comments. So, I will definitely report back after 'force' myself to use HWR for a week, and see how it goes. Start from today, I have been using HWR and have been several hrs since, still going well.....The bottomline, whatever get you there is what matters.

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Thanks Bun. I have found that the next to lowest setting works best for characters that you have to take the stylus off the screen. This msg created using HWR.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Since I am here already, may as well dump all the tricks I have gathered over the forum regarding "repetitive commands/typings"

They go in order of easiness from a linuxiot (pronounce leen-ugs-idiot without the id :)) point of view, the top ones are my choice, and most easy, and gets slightly more involved as one goes down the list. I, "who have/know nothing" - steal from Tom Jones, am barely able to compose this list. I request, whoever reading this post, jump in and expand the howto, pros and cons, of the particular method he/she choose, please. So that everybody can have a good idea what suit him/her the best with their device. And I will bet you 1$, that the list is NOT even near complete. Come on gurus show your tricks......... Thanks, here is the list,

1) Dpad up direction or ctrl+P: cycle thru previous typings/commands/history. They do not 'remember' a lot, probably about 20 or even less. How can one increase their memory? I want them to remember 50+.

2) Handwritten Recognition shortcuts: this thread you are reading :)

3) Toolbar menu http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...d.php?p=180310, thread #12; http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...t=16749&page=2, thread #15
the dot things, witch craft but works.

4) alias http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=16749, thread #4; http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=15276, thread #2; you have to store it in a /home/user/.profile file, otherwise it disappear upon reboot.

5) VNC, rdesktop or a BT keyboard; borrow keyboard from PC or BT; This is for some serious typing for 5 min or more

6) bash http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=16749; http://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/und...lec06/01.shtml

7) osso-statusbar-cpu; http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=16749, thread #14; Another way to get a software reboot button, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...254#post192254, thread #2

8) personal menu - can use for repeat command launcher; http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...light=personal

9) SSH - ask some guru :)

10) Kerez - simple commands, http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla...d=44&Itemid=43

11) go for the Monte Carlo, a grand choice, not a gambling choice ;) - setup KDE358, they have keyboard shortcuts build in. Step-by-step instructions with screen shots, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=20884; and shortcuts from our famous KDE member, PCQ, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...t=15228&page=3, thread #21

12) One more shortcut; after typing a few letters, press the tab key will show some suggested word to pick from - this is from the grand master fanoush.



That'sall folks,

Edit: 6/28/08: Does anybody know how can I share those shortcuts I made on tricks 2), 3) and 4), i.e., where do they store? I would like to BT to my coworkers as they are interested, but not 'technically competent' to type them in, in other words, they are lazy ;). TIA
bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

As I try to allure to in the first case, the HWR, HandWritingRecognition is really not bad after you adjusted the handwriting speed setting to 1 block, the minimum.

Now, I play with shortcuts, I found out the shortcuts interpretation is even more powerful. I made a shortcut for /media/mmc1 and carefully draw a letter 'm' with one more legs, very carefully. I went to xterm, just casually script out a waveform with 4 legs, not even pay attention how horizontal, sloping at an angle, anyway I do it, it prints out the path nicely. Wow! I also made a shortcut for sudo gainroot, using the '@' but with one more circle outside, like two circle enclosing each other. I went to xterm, just make any ugly two circle, one inside the other, absolutely very little resemblance to my shortcut pattern, one humongously large circle in a small circle, it still recognise it. OMG! who said the tablet cant do HWR?

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Thanks, this is valuable stuff, and I hope it's going into the Wiki. I found handwriting recog. very difficult for some letters, but of course I could redesign them if I wanted.

Rather than make a symbol for sudo gainroot, I just have the word root as a shortcut on xterm. Tapping the word root is a lot faster than any symbol.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

How's having it faster better? That, as far as I could tell, just adjusted the delay before it tries to interpret it; setting it down (short delay) makes multi-stroke letters (t, for example) harder to get right, becaus it sometimes interprets before I get it there...

Mine's set 3/5, seems alright...

BTW, I'm considering trying an experiment: retraining the handwriting to be graffiti-like. Remove all existing forms, replace lowercase with single-stroke versions, and uppercase with two-stroke versions: one the same single stroke, and the other a characteristic stroke representing shift. (Not sure what stroke is best to minimize confusion with other letters...)
Gotta backup the current data first, of course...

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I hope you do try the Graffiti-like experiment!

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I like it faster that I do NOT have to wait for the interpretation for each single letter entry, that slow me down. I just keep writing and take a peep before I press the enter key. I like it that way.

If you put the setting higher, you CANNOT write another letter until it finished interpretion.

Edit, you can write it, but you cannot really see it, it just sloooooooow.......

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Yes, you can; I do it all the time. The key is to just leave a bit more space, or it will try to interpret them as 1 letter. (Leave about a full letter's worth of space, and it treats them as consecutive letters; leave 3 spaces if you actually want a space in between.) Anyway, if things go well... one-stroke letters mean no downside to minimum delay. :)

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

If only custom HWR shortcuts worked while typing on the keyboard...there's already gestures while in onscreen keyboard mode so it wouldn't be hard for the Maemo developers to implement.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I have done this and it works great. No more problems with "t"s or "k"s. I disabled all stock recognition and replaced each with just one box of graffiti characters. For me, whenever it would help to have HWR, I don't need uppercase letters, so I've not bothered with that.

I've had my own "sudo gainroot" shortcut for a while now. Sorry Bun! I would have filled you in sooner if I had known!!

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I just found out that there is 2 ways one can set the HWR speed, and I am NOT sure which one takes precedent. You can either go into Control panel>Text input settings or Menu>Tools>Settings. I set them both to the minimum, to have the fastest interpretation. And I also want to report that I 'forced' myself to use HWR for 3 days, and I am very very comfortable with HWR and conclude that, everythings takes some initiative. If you decided to write on the tablet, the HWR is totally capable. I remember I have to train myself on the palm when I was using the palm. So it is unfair to criticize the tablet while the user did NOT put any effort to train himself/herself. Bunanson is now proudly announced that Bunanson is now a tablet HWR user at ALL time. Bottomline, whatever it takes to please you is fine, but, from now now, I do not want to hear anymore "tablet HWR is terrible".


bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Tablet HWR is terrible.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Yah, right. Accrording to KJ "It still sucks, but is faster now...."
So, it not only size, speed made a difference too, uh?!
;)

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Wonder why he bothtered to come back to complain a second time....

Anyway, I've tried this, and have started to use the HWR for a while. It does take some time to note what characters you routinely fail to get right, and either learning how to do them right (I always have trouble with t, but the first t is a logical single stroke).

I set a sloppy cursive itt to "site:http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums" for quick searching. Same for some other forums I search reguarly. I'm thinking the shortcuts should pay off for the learning curve, or if not I can still swap input methods just for the shortcuts.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

For those who have problems with 't', just train yourself entering once or twice the following text:

http://www.internettablettalk.com

:D
Try to be fast!

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Please quote me correctly, or leave the quotes out.

(I know it's nitpicking, but I really hate having my words changed. It's all I have on the Internet...)

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

"a second time"??? Dude, look me up...

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So what kind of speed & accuracy have you guys achieved? Bun?

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Consider I made the change in only about 3 days, accuracy is approaching 100%, speedwise is still NOT as fast as poking letters on the Onscreenkeyboard. But, the point I continue to stress, there is a learning curve, just like typing, I am positive with acceptable accuracy, speed will come :).

Before I made the change in speed setting, one has to wait for the next input, you can put it, but you dont know what is that, now, you can more or less keeps on typing, albeit slowly.

I hate to beat on the dead horse, but I am really excited about this HWR speed thing. I thought the tablet is totally ****** wrt HWR, now I found out it is capable, all we have to do is just learn, like anything in life. Some of you may look at this as trivial. I Look at this as another piece, in addition to a functioning PIM suite, to make the tablet COMPLETE. Sorry for my obsession,

@anidel: are you the same anidel, and now has a new look? I almost missed you because of your new look.
bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

@KJ: I am sorry that I quoted you incorrectly. I will look things up next time before I quote

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

As a trained professional at HWR, you could time your writing of a paragraph with regular touch screen keyboard and then with HWR. Extra points for thumb keyboard.
Edit: of course, this wouldn't take into account time saved by shortcuts...

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Well, things are going nicely here; I settled on an underscore to denote uppercase, and a through-slash (| or /) for digits. The only problem I had defining stuff was i, which should be |; that stroke was defined as a character looking like an i, but with no dot. :confused: Since I couldn't find that character to disable it, I used \ instead.

Things work rather well now; better than in Vista on my tx2000, where I'm writing this... :mad:

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

bun, nice to see your enthusiastic style hasn't waned. The tip on how to get HWR faster was very helpful for me (and, yup, so counterintuitive I'd done just the opposite when I first tried the Tablet's HWR).

I second Underscore's request that you measure the respective times for the typing and writing of a paragraph. I did this with the weird circular keyboard (can't remember it's name) and abandoned its use.

I think one big problem for me with the HWR is the stylus, so I'm going to get a cheap pen-shaped stylus just to see how much it helps.

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Good point, I always believe in numbers, I will do one this evening and do one next weekend, to see what is the difference speed/accuracy between HRW and OSK after 10 days 'forced' training.

Thanks for the suggestion. I would also encourage some of you try it too. One, after you try it, hopefully you would be buy into it, two, there will be an objective finding rather than dictated by bunanson one person opinion.

I would pick anything around 10 min typing, has to be a piece of new passage..... thanks for the good suggestions, Underscore.

Another note: See thread #1, there is two ways to change the settings. Please keep checking on and off to make sure it is the setting you like. For some weird reason, I found my setting 'mystically' changed to the slowest 5+. Just keep checking the setting if it misbehave...

bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

No biggie. I'm just very *n*l about it.

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

@bunanson: is there a way to just emulate Palm Grafitti (1\2, both are better in my book than maemo's HWR)? I mean, just take everything from it. The gestures, the input pad design, the timing, everything.

That was one of the things that Palm did just right way back even from the first Palm Pilot.
Fast, accurate, simple..

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

Here is my game plan, if everybody is doing the same, then we can group together the results and compare:
Attention:

I relaxed the rule a bit, it takes way too long. Instead of doing 5 paragraphes 2,3,4,5,6. I settled with only 2 paragraph, just paragraph 2 and 3.

Go to Google, news page, no, you are not searhing any news, just go to the news page, pick the 2nd story, whatever it will be, that will open a new page, pick paragraph 2,3 and type with a) HWR b) OSK letter poking c) thumb keyboard. So, the 2nd news story, start on the 2nd paragraph for a total of 2 paragraphes.

We measure both speed and accuracy. Everytime you have a mistake, it will be counted as 1, keep on typing and dont stop and YOU DO NOT GO BACK TO CORRECT IT, again, correction does not count. You count it at the end. We are NOT using shortcuts as it is difficult to compare from each other. So, please no shortcuts, we can always assume inclusion of shortcuts will be in the favor of HWR. Again, straight typing, no shortcuts.

You will end up with speed, how many minutes and accuracy, the number of letters right over wrong, space is counted as one letter.


I will do one later this evening. I am really curious about what I "perceived" vs what it really is,



bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

OK, and the same thing can fairly apply to portrait mode (except that finger-board is broken...). The concern that raises: won't it be substantially faster the 5th run through the text, on account of familiarity? (Or maybe I'm overestimating my writing speed, and the familiarity benefit actually won't be significant...)

But I'll give this a shot with my pseudoGraffitized HIM HWR, both keyboards, and portrait mode HWR and stylus-board. Maybe, if you get lucky, you'll get some results from Vista HWR, too (I've had it for about a week...).

Oh, and I assume no use of completion allowed? Else late runs would be favored for sure.

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That is a very good idea. I would like you or whoever interested in palm GVM jump right in, go thru the game plan I just lay out, couple threads up, and we can ALL compare, how good is HWR in palm and how good is HWR in maemo. I DO NOT think it is a good idea for the same person to do both, as the HWR is very different. I speak for myself, I would be slow down if I have to relearn palm HWR and, in fact, it counter-learn my maemo HWR and further slow me down.

I am really really excited about this. With ALL this cheap talks, we now came very close to be able to actually measure it. And this would test, how one perceives vs what it really is.




bun

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I practiced writing "pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs", which is way way better than that quick brown fox nonsense. I found the hardest part was leaving enough room for spaces to be recognized.

Also if you want a cheap real pen stylus, try this trick... get ahold of some nylon "safety dart" tips. You can either crazy-clue them into a tip of a pen or wedge them into an empty refill tube. Sand them down a bit and you have a decent stylus for cheap!

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Wow, thanks for the tips, Bun!

Now I just wish there was a smoother way to teach it my handwriting. It's really slow going through each letter of the alphabet manually, pressing Add and finally writing the letter... CellWriter does it well by just listing them all and letting me write a letter on top of each cell. I seem to recall reading that the handwriting recognition system will "learn" one's writing, but I don't see how that is possible given that I cannot explicitly tell it when it guesses my letters wrong. Have I missed something?

Re: I finally found you:shortcuts for repetitive typing!
 

I think you are talking about Artificial Intelligence for learning your handwriting. There maybe, I dont know, in the early days of wince. I dont think we have AI in the HWR of the tablet. But there is something call "teach" under text input, basically you pick the way you want to write that particular letter. They have several patern, say, letter 't', after I pick the one I want, I have zero problem with letter 't'. I think that is what Nokia called 'learning', correct me if I am wrong....


bun