don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

for its resolution?

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For the stated purpose, yes it is. Leaves much to be desired but for other things it works out well enough.

I guess nokia thought that half a screen was better than something bigger (overall). Everything in life is a trade off somehow. Also helps if you have good eyes or good glasses. If I was into working the web even lightly seriously I'd have something like an eee machine.

For browsing it is so klunky that I only use it on rare occasions.

Other than that I love having a shirt pocket linux box :-).

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

No.
(225 DPI or 0.11 mm DP, btw)

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

What you're looking for is called a "UMPC". ;)

The ultimate subjective analysis.

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No, The screen size and resolution is one of the things I like the most about the N800.

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Indeed, those were one of the main selling points to me. To nit-pick, if anything, it could a little more height because the width is fine. Still, it is one of the best screens around for a pocketable device.

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I think the resolution and the size of the device is good, but one can always use a larger screen.

Obviously the screen size is limited by the overall device size, but if the Nokia engineers could figure out a way to reduce the border around the screen, a 5" display would be possible. Now that would be nice. :)

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Well, yes, 5" would be nice in the same device; but I'd hope it's proportionately higher resolution...

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A lot of software doesn't make good use of the screen, but I think the screen itself is nearly ideal.

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

Get some +3.00 diopter reading glasses for $10 from a pharmacy.

+4.00 diopter glasses are really nice but you have to hold the tablet up close to your face to get it in focus.

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

The screen and resolution are two things Nokia should be applauded for. Excellent, just excellent. Hardware is pretty good too, I love the N810 form factor. It could be a bit thicker and have a vibrate function and bigger battery though. Oh, and GPS sucks and camera/video is blurry. But the rest of the hardware is gold.

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

The screen size is perfect as it it right now.
It's called portability people.

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I wont mind a 5" screen... albiet a thicker one..

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I'd love a larger screen but only if the tablet remained relatively the same size.

I'd actually like a vibrate function a lot! and while we're at it, how about a 3-axis accelerometer and a blackberry-like scrollwheel on the side? :P

EDIT: That was mostly sarcasm/wishful thinking in case that didn't come across :P

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There's even a smaller screen with the same resolution as N800 (4.13" screen) in Toshiba Protege G900 (just 3" screen). ( http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_g900-review-185p2.php ). I think there's effort to make Linux run on that nifty device too.

WiBrain has a 4.8" screen at 1024x600... unfortunately it has a clunky body which is not pocketable. It's a shame cause Ubuntu runs really smoothly on that machine.

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Bigger resolutions screen also come at a cost on battery drain, do they ?

UPDATE: wow and this is a screenshot of the G900 screen:

http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3...arena_s043.jpg

Doesn't seem quite impressive for a 800x480 pixels wide screen!
Surely the CrapOS is making bad use of the pixels ...

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

screen size and rez. is the main reason I got the N770 (and just recently the N800). Only thing I would wish for is a screen that's flush with the case, instead of "sunken".

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Thanks, surprised you didn't tell me to search for it ;-)

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@anidel: to be fair, they're using a 2yrs old browser, and they haven't played catch up as hard as they have been after the iPhone comes into the market. MS mobile IE has seen quite a bit of improvements, and there are a few 3rd party browsers showing up trying to incorporate better features in the market now. Opera Mobile 9.5 is probably the best, and it has a mobile Safari-like zoom in\out capability.

I personally think the zoom\resize function is necessary for a small, pocketable device, no matter what resolution the screen is. (And that includes the NIT. Which doesn't have a convenient & smart zoom functions yet.)

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OperaMini has that neat feature too and it works very well on my SE K630i.
You don't forget you're browsing on a bunch of pixels wide screen, but surely you're browsing experience gets a lot better.

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Even for my old eyes I like the size of the N8* screen considering the size of the N8..

Perhaps you want something like this: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...tm?omnRef=1337

iDon't

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

Love is blind.

If you see text on a paper the same size as the default web page text on N8xx, you wouldn't tolerate it. Moreover, most web pages are not designed for such a high density screen and not optimized for NITs anyway.

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I love my n800, but will probably be looking at something more like a tablet PC in my next mobile device. Maybe with a screen size around half that of a sheet of paper. One of the main tools that I use on the n800 is Xournal, and note taking on the n800 screen is just a little too cramped. If I had an n810 with a built in hardware keyboard, I might be a little happier. I have a USB keyboard for 800, and an iGo Stowaway, but neither of those is perfect for every situation.
Ultimately, the question of whether or not the n800's screensize is good or not is completely subjective. When I'm not in Xournal, the n800 is usually great. There are a few webpages that are difficult on it, but most render well.

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Say what!?

If I understand correctly, you're implying that those who say the screen density is why they got the N800 are really just in love with the N800 and therefore don't see its faults? Maybe those who are in love with it primarily for other reasons... But if that's why you got into it, I think it's a safe bet that while love might now be blinding you to other faults, you actually indeed like high-density screens... :rolleyes:

First, that's a software issue, not a hardware issue; hence completely unrelated to the "screen is small for resolution" issue. You can print webpages on a 600 DPI printer, and they're quite legible; so you could certainly obtain good results by setting the default font size larger (or just zooming in...)

Second, it's a presumptious, and WRT me, at least, wrong, claim. I opened a text file in the web browser (I'm not wasting time looking for an html file/page with no font specifications; I assume the fixed-width font used for text is similar height to the proportional font used for html.), and measured the height. 9 pixels -> 0.04 inch, or 1 mm.

I don't mind text of that size; there's plainly readable text that size on my driver's license, Visa card, and school ID. (And I believe the marginal notes in my pocket Bible, though I haven't got that with me at the moment.) I'll admit that if you ran text that size off of most printers, with default settings, I'd be irritated; they can't usually produce that sharp of text with default settings, but that's a problem with them. I routinely scale text to that size for one-sheet/one-notecard exams. My optomechanical zoom (move paper or tablet closer) works just fine, so while you (and perhaps most other people) wouldn't tolerate it, it doesn't bother me at all.

Short treatment:
Well, most websites are designed on a pixel basis, and for 800x600 or 1024x768 screens. That's the whole point of the 800x480; especially back when the 770 was released, this allowed web pages to display normally without elaborate tricks to make things work on a small (pixel-wise) display, which inevitably break some pages. They don't need to be optimized, as you can still get around on a standard page, with the stylus if needed. And 80% zoom brings most 1024x768 designed pages to just about fit, too.

Long, thorough, semi-rant treatment:
There's two issues with site design: Density dependence, and assumed page-width. Density independence is important to display things well on a high-density (but normal width) screen; but "honest" interpretation of density-independent pages that assume normal width on a high-density, low-width screen will result in excessive scrolling. One solution is to lie, and claim that you have 72 DPI, or some such. (Which essentially tosses the density dependence, to give you the simple situation described below...)

On the other hand, if you have density dependence, and assumed normal width, then you're actually assuming normal pixel count, and a high-density, low-width screen with normal pixel count will display cleanly, but small; this is what the tablets do, and as long as you have zoom (faster and more flexible zoom would be nice, btw), it's about the best you can get out of those pages.

On the third hand, if you actually have density independence, and no (or minimal) width assumption, it can be laid out with literal (or nearly so) density; maybe a factor of 1.5 or 2, to compensate for differences in distance. The lack of width assumption means that content will be flowed sanely into any reasonable width, so it can fit without horizontal scrolling. This, IMHO, is the best design approach for normal web pages. Density dependence could exist (specifying fonts in px, for example), and could readily be accomodated, though the results may not be pleasing.

So I'd like a browser with at least three display modes, readily swappable, and easily configurable. I don't ask it to recognize these categories, but I'd like to be able to switch. (Maybe that means I should learn to write an extension...)

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

what's wrong with it the screen res is amazing.

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Thanks for the thorough write up on page rendering logic, Benson.

On the usability side, I always find that on probably 70% of web pages that I read, the true 'content' only takes up from 35% to at most 75% of the page's width. Many sites split up their screen to 2-3 columns or sidebars, and use them to display ads and links to pimp their other contents. This is the reason that I think a good (smooth and quick to use) zooming function (yes, like iPhone's safari PLEASE) would be an asset on the N800 to view 'normal' web pages. We have great screen on the NIT to display ad and stuff we don't need?

PS: About my 'blind' comment; I was taking a jab at an earlier poster that seems to always blindly support NIT, not wanting to talk about negative aspects of it, or positive aspects of competing products... even in an effort to improve the NIT.

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

Who might that be?

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Anybody has any idea on how to change DPI setting ? I would love to see that screen at the same resolution, but bigger texts by increasing DPI - everything would look better.

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Not worth trying at this point. Everything will break, and hard. ;)

Maemo is moving towards resolution independence, but it's not quite there yet.

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Not you, GA :P
You're been pretty fair..

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I know I'm one of the posters who always talks highly of the NIT when I do post. But then you have to remember I used to carry a lunch box 80286 DOS PC(AC-only) with a 16-color 80-column-wide LCD screen back and forth to work because I liked the portability.

This little toy is a gem. ;;)

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

I have my eye on the Sahara i440d from TabletKiosk. I think they have the thing almost perfect as I want a pure Slate not a tablet. Only prob is the cost of a well configured device for my needs is $3083 and I just don't want to pay that much this close to CES '09.

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thanks for the information.
The reason I had asked the question is because I compared the sizes of a N800 and a TX. They have similar sizes but different resolution.
Yes, I have to balance the size and portability. I still think N800 is great portable thing, especially it can run modified KDE (there are always some geniuses who can make this world a little better) .
thanks, after fixing FF3, I am able to login. So have a good weekend.

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Although not a resolution for the DPI issues, I found that Brontides userContent.css script makes sideways scolling and 'fit to width' in Microb pretty much unnecessary. As a cost you lose the original layout of webpages as everything is forced to fit all the time. Combined with fixed minimum fontsize set in userprefs.js I don't need zooming anymore either:

Re: don't you think the screen of N800 is a little small
 

The screen size is a compromise, but I think it's a good one. More pixels (1024x600) would be nice, but at times even now i think to myself that lower dpi would make things a bit more readable. But if the tablet doesn't fit in my pocket then I may as well use an eee pc. The big selling point for me was having a big screen in a pocket device. Better zooming would give you the control at least to decide if you need readability or screen space.

Maybe a fold-out design like the Nintendo DS could be one answer. But which way to fold out? Sounds expensive...