no me.com webmail. Why can't we have a decent browser
 

The new me.com webmail refuses to load on the diablo browser. Why? This seems to be absent of browser standards else it would work. Is anyone working on regular browser updates to fix this?

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Does it work with desktop FF?

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According to Apple's site yes. webmail.mac.com webmail worked fine. webmail.me.com webmail says no way. I use Opera on my desktop and it works okay there. But the tablet says no.

Do I have to wait another year before someone fixes this with a browser update? Come on peeps. It's open source. Take, amend, fix. I'm no programmer but I understand how the system is supposed to work.

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How do you expect it to work on the tablet if it doesn't on the desktop?

Try midori see if it helps (somewhere in the forum).

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Sorry you misunderstand. webmail.mac.com worked on the tablet. webmail.me.com does not. Both work on the desktop. Afterall, why would Apple provide a webmail you couldn't read on the desktop ;-)

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Give it a few months as Apple iron things out. Actually, I heard it doesn't work on IE7 as well.

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Ah, that's beacause IE7 is so bloody awlful with standards.
Seems Apple have turned off the site again for a while but as my mac.com address is my main one and now cannot read the mail on the tablet, I would hope someone out there is working on making the tablet browser a bit better.

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The inability of Apple to support current browsers have nothing to do with the tablet browser. On the other hand maybe they don't want you to use a tablet, but an iPhone?

Hell, FF2 is still out there and 20-30% of the people are still eating their breakfast in the morning in front of IE6. The tablet browser has better standard support than IE6 and 7 put together and will get better, but not today and because Apple didn't do their job to support FF.

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I remember a while ago Apple did some browser sniffing on mac.com and simply refused connections if they couldn't identify the browser/OS-combination.

I don't know what those people are up to and why they can't use standard HTML and some scripts as everybody else on the web does. - Although they seem to have given up on this practice (or maybe just know my browser/OS now, who knows?), I very much doubt that any problem with Apple's sites is browser related.

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I get the impression that you are taking this a little personal. Please don't unless you're the one behind the browser.

Apple's website and services DO support Firefox. They say so on the site. It's the tablet browser that doesn't understand that. Firefox on desktop does.

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I'm not taking it personal. I'm just tired of all this iPhone hype.

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I don't have an iPhone! Never have. I do have a mac.com (now me.com) account which I have had working on the tablet since I bought it and on the desktop for 7 or so years now.

The webpage has been upgraded. The browser can't show it anymore. It works on the dekstop but not the tablet. Logic suggests if FF on the desktop works okay and the tablet is based on the same code and it doesn't then the tablet browser is at fault. As we're stuck with it I would hope that more frequent patches and updates should be available but they aren't.

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Do you have FF2 on the desktop? Does it work in it?

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from their page it looks like they have it running on FF2, I suggest you play with your browser agent, make it look like something else. They are probably just not detecting it right.

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What do you mean when you say that "the tablet says no way"?

Do you mean that MicroB receives the necessary information but tries and fails to render the page, or that another page appears saying that your browser is not accepted? The latter is uncontrollable and a matter of idiot web developers sniffing user agents to lock the site to particular platforms. Basically it is not your tablet saying "no way", but me.com denying you access on an assumption.
You could try overriding the user agent with an iPhone one. (There is a thread on that somewhere here).

As for the standards, last I checked this browser passes Acid2. Given that nothing so far passes Acid3, it is safe to say that it is sufficiently standards-compliant. It's built on a fairly recent engine from Mozilla, as well.

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As I tried to explain: no. This is not the only possible cause.

a) The version of FF on your desktop and on the tablet are not the same, and the UA-string the browser sends isn't.
b) The operating system isn't the same, even if you would be using a desktop based on a Linux kernel.

So if Apple returned to its habit of delivering different versions of their site for different browser/OS combinations (and maybe even blocking unknown browsers), the HTML your desktop browser receives might be completely different from what the tablet's browser gets.

This is not an assumption, actually I have no reason but my past experience with Apple to come up with this. It's just to point out that it's not necessarily the browser's fault if a certain site doesn't work when it works on another PC.

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ACID 3 tests were passed by Safari and Opera a while back.

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Delivering different versions of websites for different browsers is old school 20th century thinking to help IE render. Websites must be written to standards something Apple say they do. It's the browser which must adhere to the same standards to display correctly. One reason IE8 has been forced to adopt web standards above its own is the increased presure to do so. Opera and Safari both meet ACID3 tests a few months back. FF failed but is very close. IE was still a way behind.

How does one get in touch with the browser development team to encourage its development to standards and make the new webmail site work?

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Edit: Oops, misread you.
Interesting! Still, my point is that you can try fixing this here:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=14259

However, it may pass some odd scripts specific to the iPhone, so a plain Safari user agent may work better.

Sadly, that is no longer the case. Google, Ebay, and numerous others are now guilty of relying specifically on the user agent to provide iPhone-specific web sites that are inaccessible to those without said user agent.

And we still don't have an answer: How exactly is it failing? Are you able to take a screenshot?

I've noticed that MicroB can be weird with redirects, so you could try skipping those by copying the complete URL that your desktop web browser gets to.

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No pages are coded to require acid3 passing. acid 2 components are not used that much yet anyway.
No production browser are passing it yet only dev-betas. Can you share the URL you are going to, I have tryed but every time I enter anything you talking about I get taken to the apple 'me' promo page.
Is the browser crashing or giving you and error?
If so what error...

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I already gave the address earlier in the thread. webmail.mac.com and webmail.me.com. Both go to the same place. Why not try and see the error demanding a different browser.

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every link you listed sent me to http://www.apple.com/mobileme/ which worked fine on my n800

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Seconded. Even on Safari 3.1 on Mac OS X 10.4.11, I'm redirected to http://www.apple.com/mobileme/, an informational page about the MobileMe service.

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Instead of complaining about the browser (when Apple might be sending damaged HTML because microb is not firefox), why not try changing the user agent string to iPhone (another thread shows how to see iPhone formatted content), Or maybe say you are vanilla FF2, and/or download the actual HTML of the me.com output. "It doesn't work" isn't very detailed.

First, this would resolve where the problem is coming from - either Apple delivering a "we hate your browser so will ruin your experience" page, or the actual and specif HTML/CSS/whatever code that microb is failing to support properly.

Then there are way of resolving things. me.com is still being developed and I don't care what apple SAYS about supporting standards and whatever. Unless the actual stream delivered to microb passes every test, and not whatever is being fed to opera, firefox, safari, or any verson of IE, you can't say they are being compliant. You don't know.

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It's not just MicroB - lots of browsers (IE6 for example), don't work with me.com.

(If SirAlien's incomplete URLs are confusing you try www.me.com in MicroB and you'll see the message he's getting.)

Your irritation would be better directed at Apple's increasingly MS-style 'closed box' antics than at a developer community that, in many cases, works completely for free.

I'm an Apple fan with a .mac email account and I like several aspects of me.com but the company's growing tendency to force users onto specific platforms or lock them into Apple-only services is becoming irritating enough that I'll shift to Linux when I have some time to transition all my stuff.

After all, it's this sort of closed-box garbage ('hey guys! Let's force people onto specific browsers and make sure there's a huge Safari link when we do so! Genius!!') that made me ditch Windows five years ago.

Alternatively, you could take the advice given here and change your browser's agent thingy (I'm no techie but there are instructions here).

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Thirded. On both FF 2.0.0.11 and IE6.

From what I read on http://www.apple.com/mobileme/ web page, the webmail service is "Available Soon" (http://www.apple.com/mobileme/pricing/). I don't even see a way to get to any Webmail service...

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Eh, the .mac webmail interface always worked for me with MicroB in the past. Now it seems to be down for maintenance. The links you gave me don't even offer a login option.

I'd say this is clearly an Apple issue.

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Hmmm I don't understand where you're getting the "Opera and safari passed the test"

Opera 9.5 on my mac scored an 83, impressive but still a fail.

and Safari 2 on my mac scored a lousy 41.

I haven't tried it in Safari 3. FF3 scores a 71

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He probably means the WebKit SVN (which definitely scores 100, though the rendering is quite up to speed yet).

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me.com is location specific, as are many Apple services like for instance AppStore.

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Well, I'd be hesitant to suppose anything's wrong with the browser on the basis of Apple's claims to be standards-compliant. Try running validators on it yet?

(FWIW, it redirects me, too, with FF3 on the desktop; I assume Bundyo's right, and none but UKers will necessarily be able to test this; a full test will probably require a login, too.)

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For those getting redirected to the me.com promotion, this is undoubtedly because you, like I, do not own mobileme (or .mac) subscriptions. That is also why merely posting the url will, unfortunately, not get very good answers.

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Yes, but how does it know whether you have a subscription... cookies would work, but it seems there should be a login box or something for the first time subscribers use a new browser, and I'm not even seeing that.

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I have a subscription, it redirects me. ;)

The issue seems to be that the me.com service is currently down.

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The service is now up but the browser on the tablet says (paraphrased),

"we recommend the following browsers.....
Safari 3 or later
Firefox 2 or later

Press OK and it takes you back to the same screen. One cannot access webmail at all.

I suspect the problem is with the browser's support of AJAX and other modern standards. After all Yahoo! Mail (new version) has issues too.

I can't help but feel a little defensive presently at my thread. Many on this site seem ready to assume all tablet users are linux root users but we're not. Some of us are plain old joe bloggs from the streets who have bought a tablet to access their favourite websites. webmail.mac.com was mine, now it's replacement is unavailable and I have to find a desktop with a browser that is fine with the standards of modern pages.

Again, I ask, how does one get in touch with the browser team to ask them if they are coming out with updates more often?

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This is entirely on Apple's head. :)

E-mail them about their lame user-agent checks.

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I suspect the problem is that Apple is being evil.

Why would the browser being non-compliant with standards (of which AJAX is not one, btw) cause Apple's server to send you to the same page repeatedly?

The browser does not say those things of its own accord, but because Apple detected the UA as not-approved, and sent you a different page recommending a different browser; if they won't let you past that, you'll probably need to change the UA reported to one of the allowed ones.
Or to try to get people to use Safari, perhaps.

(Have you tried any validation of Yahoo Mail? Without knowledge that it is standards compliant, it's not any better evidence that MicroB is the problem.)

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Ok Siralien, you need to read this slow. With the error you are getting, it is not your tablets fault, or the programmers. When you go to a site, it asks your computer who you are and your computer tells it the truth, and some times people, i.e. apple, MS, ... do not like your answer and they tell the page not to load. It has nothing to do with standards, it has to do with apple coding the page to require a certain browser. Now you can tell your tablet to lie and report it is a desktop version of FF3 by changing the 'user agent'. But stop trying to blame this in the maemo devs'.

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There isn't any evidence, as far as I can tell, that Apple are forcing people to use a browser based on their choice but rather on the availability of features within the chosen browser it cannot find.

Noone is blaming Maemo devs but they seem so reluctant to allow one to contact them and why or where should I change my browser to make it load a page it should do normally? Isn't that what testers are supposed to do and then the final product does it properly and automatically? That's what seperates a beta product from a finished one. The user does not need to do any more than he/she must to load a page.

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Believe whatever you want, but your own perceptions don't really have a whole lot to do with reality here. ;)

I think it's time to move on from this thread. Everybody who actually cares to know why me.com doesn't work with MicroB knows what they need to know.

Not that they actually do this (there's plenty of information available on who to contact about what), but in this case, I wouldn't blame them if they didn't want to get an email from you. ;) Call up Nokia support if you really think this is Nokia's problem.