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I know this will piss the fan boys off, and I'm sorry, but why do I sometimes feel my N810 is like a 2008 Ferrari powered by a 1980 Mustang motor that was souped up by the amateurish high school kid next door.

Man, the iPod Touch OS in the N810 would be dynamite.

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You mind not spamming your stupid "annoy the fanboys" topics? They're pretty much just useless, inflammatory flamebait.

You're well on your way to getting yourself branded as a troll.

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I'm not trying to annoy anybody. That's why I apologized in advanced. I'm just stating the way I feel. I can't do that? Today I listened to the Mac OS Ken podcast and there was a review of a really neat music application for the iPod Touch/iPhone, and I thought I'll never see anything like that on the N810. Not only that, for the last few days the auto update feature on my Diable N810 has been telling me of a new version of Canola 2. But when I try to update, I get the message that Canola 2 can't be updated because some packages are missing.

And I'm sorry, I should have left the "fanboys" part out but the reason I mentioned "fanboys" is because some people think its is heresy for anybody to say anything negative about something they like.

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And of all the posts I've made, how many of them have been stupid "annoy the fanboys" topics?

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In this thread? 3.

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maybe the n810 is not for you. i kinda like how maemo has this raw, unfinished and "beta" feel. it leaves so much to the imagination and it is a good launching pad to linux for windows users like me.

the touch is fine, but for me it's just a show-off gadget. my n800 on the other hand is my productivity partner.

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Frankly I wouldn't give up the n810 for all the iphones and itouches in China. It's in my top 3 of electronics I've ever purchased and I can't tell you how many Nokia sales I've created by letting people see what it can do.

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I haven't given up on the N810 yet. But you're right. The N810 may not be for me. I chose it over the iPod Touch for mainly three reasons: 1. The slide-out keyboard (wwwhich I don't use so much), 2. Accepts external memory, 3. plays flash videos.

But as far as the state of the apps/OS, the N810 appears to be more of a hobbyist's/programmer's machine, like the Apple II was to me back in 1982. But I'm over those days now. I want something that works seamlessly and is very integrated. e.g. Conola is a great app but it doesn't fit the look & feel of the N810 OS, it takes over it and does what it wants and is completely different from any other app that runs on the N810.

Also I'm sitting here and watching all the action around the iPhone/iPod Touch. It makes me wonder if the N810 will not be a orphan device like the Commodore Amiga became not long after it's release. I mean just check out this app...

http://www.intua.net/products.html
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwr44OMcjf0

That's the sort of thing that I'd love to have on my superior (as far as hardware) N810.

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then maybe you should just go fully apple? i hear they are very good at making integrated products. the latest firmware on their handhelds even drops any flash video into its own player iirc...

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you've got to take into consideration that everything we get from the NIT is free. you or I don't have the right to gripe about what is freely offered to us. the better attitude would be to be happy and thankful with what we have right now, provide feedback, support any ongoing projects and contribute to the community.

i'm a student and i stuck with the touch until i can't take how i had to hack and slash to get my books and pdfs working in it. i fail at using the portrait oscreen keyboard and i find i didn't actually bring my headphones with it most of the time, defeating its purpose as an ipod.

the NIT may not be a DJ's toy (as per your posted links) but it is a developer's, student's, writer's, hiker's and artist's machine. i suggest you sell your 810 and get the ipod touch right now and get peace of mind as i had when i sold my touch for the 800 :)

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Oh no... not again... not another USELESS iPhone/iPod Touch vs NITs... please...
They simply cannot be compared for a gazzilion of reasons...

One note for all the developers that make NITs each day a better device: thanks, thank you all, you're the strength of this platform.

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To the core problem that you are having...

MediaBox is yet another media player in development but it does a decent job with large MP3 collections and unlike Canola it doesn't distract from the Tablets look and feel or have dependencies that are on a different development schedule. :)

Vegalume is another very decent app that does the job of the Canola LastFM plug-in. Also, kmplayer can handle other media requirements.

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that would be vagalume i guess ;)

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vagalume correct... Not to be confused with the Chevy Vega...

It must have been all the car analogies that confused me. :D

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Really, what does the Touch have over the Tablets? An Apple logo? Hardware-wise, the Tablets are just far superior. Developers could put all their energy towards the Tablets instead of the Touch and we'd see far better apps (not dissing any of you hardworking developers that have been making awesome apps for the Tablets). But it's a shame that developers flock to the Touch just cause it's Apple.

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Well, developers have two good reasons for writing iPhone software:
1. It's their job and they can make money off of it.
2. Whether they make money or not, it's a much more popular platform and their app can be seen by more people.

The annoying thing to me is that there are a ton of awesome libraries for Linux, but the UIs are lacking. I have a strong suspicion that with a separation of UI from development, this would change a lot.

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Maemo developers can make money too (and helped for Forum Nokia), so the only reason is the second.

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the true finger touch interface- my wife never has to use a stylus on her ipod touch

if i could get a theme (or be smart enough to hack the n810 myself) that installed the same scroll bars on all my apps as is on modest/email then i would never need the stylus.........


inasmuch as i am a linux newbie and do not know how to hack the n810 to do everything i want **I** can say that the finger touch interface is something that my wife's ipod touch has that i do not

otherwise the n810 does everything i want it to do - and more that i dont know how to do- and more than the ipod touch/iphone.

just my 2 cents

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https://garage.maemo.org/projects/echowb/
have fun

Edit:
Also, the point I was trying to make is, what does the Touch have hardware-wise (besides multitouch, yadda yadda yadda)? Software can be updated and changed.
Anyway, the UI is supposed to make a leap to finger-friendliness in the next OS.

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funny how we see things differently
I see the N8x0 as a Ferrari engine with a ford chassis.

I would never trade the things I can do with my N800 for an Ipod Touch - but I would like some of the looks, i.e. flush screen + glass front (scratch resistant).

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I don't need for the N810 to be a "DJ's toy". I was just making a point about the kind of applications that can be expected on the iPod Touch because of the popularity of the iPod Touch and the number of developers supporting it (not to mention Apple's rigid requirements about the quality of apps than can be hosted in the Apps Store, which I think is a very good thing).

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One big difference. That App costs 20 bucks, something i could never fork out on a whim. I had to work for a month so I could buy a memory card for the tablet (I'm not that old FYI). The iPhone is more like a Palm product. Simple, with tons of developers. I guess the tablets are the the GP2X in a PSP and DS dominated world. But I would totally would love to see more smooth UI and things like that. I believe Bruce is trying to do just this.

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I think we should all be entitled to our own opinions regarding different devices and their "usefulness" and "user-friendliness". We all have varying uses for the devices that we buy or want to buy and in the end, I don't see the point in expounding your preferences in an attempt to prove that you are somehow more "right" than the next guy. That being said, I'll say its hard for an OS to be both integrated AND expandable. Integration usually means closed development and $$$ whereas high expandability means open (sometimes glitchy) development and usually no $$$. To each his own.

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So what? What is with this a priori assumption that 'finger touch' is some kind of holy grail?

Frankly I can't see how apps such as myPaint - even things like xword, and much of the 'regular' www (i.e. not jacked-up to suit iphones) can be even remotely useful without the >>>option<<< of a stylus input... ah but, whatever... finger touch input rulez doods!!!

Blech. This thread is yet another waste of time and ever more precious energy.

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Well i tend to agree with tokyo. i have been a bit frustrated with the functioality of my n800. apps crash and run slow and its annoying. however, the functioality is still really nice and has lots of pros. i think free is awesome but eve while i'm a student i'd gladly pay $5-$10 for some of these apps to run a boot smoother. i love open source and i hate microsoft, but each camp has its down sides. i think there needs to be a happy medium and hopefully there will be in the future. i will say that i'm using my n800 a lot more. hopefully as new chips emerge we'll see more powerful devices. althought i'm not sure what makes the ipod/iphone so smooth...

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yeah... i really dont get why peopled dont like a stylus. i'd take a stylus over finger any day of the week

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Piping in on the Stylus issue: FMP -> I found it awkward at first and, not having an itouch to play with, had a little lusting for it. The fact that, for whatever marketing reasons, my way capable n800 didn't PIM, I was driven back to my trusty clie sj33! That was when I noticed the placement of the stylus was an issue. Pulling it up and out I find easier than in and out of the side. Odd. Such a small thing. Gotten use to it.

There does seem to be the issue of different machines and environments for different folks and needs. The great part of capitalism is that it provides mechanisms for that development. Potentially.

Another part is that gap between what the machine-software combination can do and what you think it can do or want it to do. The PIM issue being a case in point. Just have to take in the information and move along. I personally began using my clie again and look forward to the n800 eventually having functioning PIM (close I take it?)

In the mean time there has been many valuable lessons in my n800 experience. One cluster of them is found here on the Forums. Great people supporting each other through a great product.

Just something about community! Thanks all.

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No, thank you. An engine which needs service every 5000miles? And lasts hopefully 50000miles?
There's no substitute for cui - only more cui :D:D

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i keep wondering what people have against a stylus...

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They're really not comparable. When the 770 first came out, people were comparing it to the Palms... then the iPhone... then the eeePC. (I've got an eeePC and they're two totally different classes of device.) I don't think there *are* any same-class competitors yet. Nokia made something that was a lot like everything else but moreso different than everything else.

I'd like to see an 800x480 app on an iPod touch. (Was that fanboyish enough?) :cool:

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I'd like to see those same 800x480 apps actually be able to run on an iPod touch. Cue the upgrades in processor speed and memory and the requisite "upgrade" in price from Apple.

My feeling about my N800: jack-of-all-trades and master of none, which is cool with me right now.

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Well said. But let's be honest, even the NITs can't run 800x480. Video anyone? Although, that's the difference between Apple and the NITs. Apple may not always be bleeding-edge with features, but the Apple stuff just works, and well.

And if you think the multitouch is the only difference, you haven't used an iPhone or iPod Touch. I own an iPhone and a NIT. Apple's video, responsiveness and screen are on a "Ferrari"-level. I like the stylus alright, but the way multitouch works, it's just too much of a pain to have to reach for the stylus. The finger is such a natural way to interact with the screen once you're used to it. (Like my ThinkPad trackpoint - never had one before, now I never use my touchpad)

I have both devices sitting next to me. If I need to check weather, email, surf, which one do I reach for? People here don't wanna know. :)

By the way, a little jailbreak and there are hundreds of FREE apps available - in the Apple AppStore too - only some cost money, and most pay apps would blow a NIT away. I'm not being a fan boy - just setting the record straight on that.

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jeebus will this never stop...

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Not until IKEA stops selling desks that go so well with Apple hardware.

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is it me or is the thread starter long gone?

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Ah, but these iPhone/iPod vs. Internet Tablet threads are self-sustaining once activated. If only the power of righteous indignation could be harnessed as an alternative energy source.

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I was doing a yacht delivery last week (Largs in Scotland down to Cork in the South of Ireland). At one point our GPS started playing up and as we were in 200m visibility, taking a bearing for a fix was a no-no. Now we knew where we were an hour previous, but DR (Dead Reckoning) is only so good when there are lots of rocks around.

Fire up the NiT, get a fix - oh and while I was at it noticed there was just enough phone signal to pick up a synoptic chart and the latest shipping forecast while I was at it.

Where am I going with this? Well, with regard to the OP, I don't care if the engine is a Mustang, it stil potentially saved my life by allowing me to position myself in limited visibility.

Regarding the iPOD Touch/iPhone vs NiT, well even though one of the other crewmembers had an iPhone, on the same provider (O2-UK) they couldn't get a signal, and as it wasn't the new 3G iPhone they couldn't get a fix either.

/sets fanboy mode off for a moment.

There's no denying the visual appeal of the UI on the Apple candy-bars. It's smooth, intuitive and well thought-out; perhaps there is a proportion of the NiT userbase that would like something similar. But there is no comparison between the two when it comes to customisability and all-purpose capability.

Horses for courses, I suppose.

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problem with the interface is that to get it so smooth, one have to put limitations in what things can do...

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The major difference I see is the following:

* Apple every day bets more for closed business, with closed software (yes, less its BSD kernel), very closed devices (you cannot change your iphone battery!), etc.

* On the other hand we have to Nokia, Google and other phone companies, every day they are betting more for opened platforms, free software, more freedom for the user, etc.

Yes, Apple's software is very cool, very well made, just works and so on, but the software can be written and everything good that has Apple's software can be obtained by the other companies with little effort and money, but Apple's mentality with closed platforms is very difficult to change.

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I really don't know where people get this apple products just work nonsense. Anyone in the tech support or repair fields know otherwise. If apple products "just work" then why is the wait at most genius bars several hours or more. The main thing the NIT has over apple products, the NITs arent put together by chinese children for cents a day. Oh, and your device doesnt get bricked for trying to break the reigns a bit. Thread over, moderator lock this mess up please.