diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

okay, maybe this is a silly question, but I really haven't heard or read anything about it. As a relatively new N800 user, I flashed my new toy as soon as I got it to the latest OS at the time (whatever it was prior to diablo coming out). Then about a week or so later, the 'big' announcement that diablo was being released and flash-upgrading was going to the wayside - "cool" I think and upgrade my IT to it....

it's been a few weeks again and I've added a lot of programs (with the help of many of you here, thank you) to my ever-growingly-useful N800 and have a question - how do I know when a new update for diablo will become available?

In the past few weeks, I've seen that orange "!" come up several times for various programs (okay, mostly Advance Backlight control) so I'm wondering if it will also one day come up for an update for diablo? Or will there be some other notification? Or do you just connect up your IT at various times to your computer to see if there are any updates....

does anyone know and can shed some light on this?

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

No the updates are going to be over the air. just like the app updates. SO dont need to update by connecting to the computer.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

i hope they will also make firmware files available, as after some updates, the dowloads can become big if one have too start all the way from diablo...

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

thanks for the info - I was very curious about this as I've not seen any talk about it at all...

Now I'll just have to wait for that big orange "!" to come up for diablo now!

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Just popped up on me last night for one of my apps. It doesn't only apply to Diablo updates, but for any app updates.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Whatever you need to update on diablo, it will all appear through the ! icon and be downloaded straight onto the tablet.

The reason it hasn't appeared for an OS update so far is that there hasn't been one, Diablo is the latest version.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

It should be noted that you'll have to tap on the icon and tell it to install the updates. It will automatically notify you of updates, but you still have to manually start the update process.

The codename for the SSU releases wont be changing so, technically, Diablo will remain the latest until Fremantle (presumably Maemo 5) is released. What will be changing (actually, I'm more like 99% on this one, but still) will be the OS version (i.e., 2.2008.51-3, 4.2008.23-14, etc.).

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Well, yes, they will indeed have to tap on the icon. But that's a heck of a lot easier than the old method. :p



I thought each firmware release had its own codename?

Oh no wait, you're right, they did that power bug fix firmware without a new codename didn't they...

Well, whatever it's called, it will be available over the air by clicking on the ! icon. :-)

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

I forgot the analogy. ;)

OK, take Apple (a lot about OS X is actually fairly comparable with Maemo's situation), we have the OS, (Mac OS X, Maemo), the version (10.5, 4.1), the codenames (Leopard, Diablo) and the minor versions (10.5.4, 2.2008.50-2).

Now, Nokia being Nokia, there are plenty of inconsistencies Nokia-side with this analogy. Nokia can't even seem to decide whether they want only major releases to be codenamed (exactly like Apple), or both major releases and the more-significant minor releases. It seems like it'll be the later moving forward, but I doubt they're even sure of that.

In summary, no, not all upgrades get a codename, and SSU complicates things (it may help to think of the upcoming SSU updates as 4.1.1, etc. Much like we saw SDK-side with the 4.0.1 release to bring the SDK inline with 50-2).

Anyway, confusing enough for you? ;)

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

As I haven't moved to Diablo yet (still on OS2007 in fact), I'm a bit curious about that flashing icon.. I take it it'll do an 'apt-get update' equivalent when you go online. Is there a way to turn that behaviour off, or control it manually? I may not always want it to transfer any more data than I need there and then, particularly if I go online (indirectly or directly) through a phone connection.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Yes, it seems to apt-get update.
I'm not really sure on how to disable it. You could disable the statusbar icon in control panel.

If it still does apt-get update periodically, I'd look into disabling some rc2.d services (there is an hildon-application-manager entry in rc2.d)

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Quit stalling and do it. Bora sucks.

Essentially, yes. It updates the repositories in the background once a day, with a bit of logic thrown in for online/offline.

I don't know if the logic factors in GPRS stuff (I'm assuming it does, as other things in the system do), but that'd be something worth confirming. -developers would be an excellent place to start (actually, technically, -users is probably better, but -users is a hellhole of idiocy and bad advice).

If you don't want update notifications, simply disable the icon, but the repository refreshing goes on as usual.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

I am not very convinced that SSU can make major upgade for example to Fremantle. Reason: there is no space.

When ubuntu or debian is upgraded to a new release major part of the packages need to be upgraded at same time and they all need to be downloaded somewhere. Maybe there is some hackery to use mmc's as temporary storage because internal flash is just too small.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Application manager caches to the internal card by default.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

OS2008-51.3 did not changed rootfs (compared to 50.x one) but only bootloader. So thats probably why they did not changed name.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

The flashing orange icon lets you know there are updates and then you can choose to install from the app manager and either Install all updates or only update whcihever apps you want and not all. that is what I do personally too....

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

As for bora, it doesn't suck for me.. it works perfectly fine, there are no glaring bugs that affect me that would be fixed in Diablo. I'll update at some point, but there's no hurry really.
When it comes to auto-refreshing, I'm of the opinion that it should _always_ be the user's decision to enable or disable those kind of things - the user must always be in control over what the device does on the network. I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to fix that for myself, but for the more common user it may not be as easy.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Yeah, well, what's your basis for comparison? :p

Besides, I'd say a CPU underclocked by 70MHz is a pretty big "bug" that's been fixed. :D

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

It's not like bugs are only apparent when you compare with something.. either there are bugs or there aren't. The only problem I have in OS2007 is that the email client doesn't honour the imap 'read' flag, but in Diablo there's modest instead, which from all the reports I've seen isn't working the way I want it yet.

Other than that, there are no bugs that affect me.. so how could it _possibly_ be better in Diablo? :) As for the 70MHz, I have no applications on the N800 that makes me think "Ah, I just wish this application could run 21% faster..", so no "bug" there either.. besides, I don't like the look of the OS2008 UI, the icons and everything looks more toyish to me than the OS2007 UI. All in all, if it ain't broken..

(I _will_ upgrade at some point, at least when there's some killer feature I need, e.g. java applet support built-in in the browser).

Anyway, this is straying a bit off-topic.. we were talking about the update function, and I still maintain that this should really be under full control of the user.

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

While we are at it...

Why not dual boot both diablo and bora?
That way you can have an idea and have the best of both worlds....

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

Well, there's a gconf key, /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval; you could try setting that to 0, or if that doesn't work, set it insanely huge.

I seem to recall seeing UI for this setting, but I can't find it now...

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

wow, go away for a day and look what happens...

well, my main concern wasn't for 'major' updates, but rather 'minor' ones (similar to patches / fixes that a Windows machine periodically gets). As I hadn't seen one since I've updated, I was just wondering...

Re: diablo - how do you know when there's an update?
 

They'll show up, or at least they did back before release, when there were updates... ;)