running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Hi all,

It would be realy great if we could run operan mini 4 on our nits. Is this possible? I can nowhere find a desen't java midi applet for the n810.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

The tablets don't support Java applications, so you can't install Opera Mini.

The tablets can do Javascript in the browser, but that's something totally different of course.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...810#post207810 seems to indicate something different and the threadstarter claims success running SWT based GTK applications. So - I'd say that information is wrong.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Java is not suported out of the box on the nokia's, Jalimo isn't the easist to get working and then its still not full java.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

AFAIK, you cannot install Opera Mini with Jalimo, which is what the original poster asked about.

And as andrewfblack said, Jalimo doesn't come with the tablets, and it isn't easy to use.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

So what?
The tablets don't support Opera out of the box. Neither Canola2 or Maemo Mapper.

http://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages claims to have working packages for the NITs (so I'd guess it cannot be that hard to get it up and running, but I admit I haven't tried it yet - I'm at worK)
The OP asked for opera mini support and that isn't requirering full java (if you talk about the jre) anyway, it's using the mobile stuff (The Opera website is quite unspecific or I cannot find the details) below the "Java ME" brand.

In other words: Saying "It's not supported" is unproven and not helpful. It might work. Pointing out limitations (no full jre) is fine, but claiming that no java support exists/works is crap, imo.

Back on topic: I'd try the Opera forums (checking the exact requirements of Opera Mini) and returning with that information to the jalimo project (Does that work already).
Faster/more pratical approach: Install jalimo and give it a try.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Thanks for pointing that out, didn't know that.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

You can install Canola and Maemo Mapper with a single click (at maemo.org/downloads or in the app manager's default repositories), and they're extremely easy to use. You don't need any kind of technical skills in order to install or use them.

That's a totally different thing to what you're suggesting.


The tablets do not have any kind of Java support, and there is no easy method for adding Java support.

Just because some complicated method exists to get something to work doesn't make it supported. You can get Windows 3.1 to work on the tablets, but I wouldn't say they have support for Windows 3.1 apps.


Did you see how difficult it was to get Jalimo working?

Do you think most ordinary users would be able to do that, or would want to do that?

This is the newbie forum, not a hacker's convention.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

For those looking for answers to the OP's posting, Krisse and Andrew got it right. Running Opera Mini is pretty much out of the question for now, even for really dedicated hackers (which isn't the same as 100% impossible, but if I could ever get my 4 weeks of holidays.. now that's a dream - I would spend the time on some other, more rewarding project.)

Let's get back to this when there's finally a fully compliant working Java implementation for OS200x, which, if we're lucky, isn't totally far off.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Just out of interest, why isn't Java included on the tablets? All of Nokia's phones have at least some level of Java support, even the cheapest models, so why is it lacking on the tablets three years after they launched?

I've tried searching ITT (and Bugzilla too for good measure) but I can't find any straight answer why the tablets don't have any kind of Java yet. Is this an issue to do with Linux in general rather than Maemo?

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Thanks for pointing that out.

I spent some moments on the problem and I now agree that it's not even close to usable, sorry.

Jalimo can be installed with a single click (and runs simple tests quite good), but for Opera Mini you'd need to mess with midpath or similar (packaged by jalimo, but lots of dependencies) to get MIDP support.
So probably lots of tinkering and you cannot be sure if there's any reward afterwards. Interesting anyway, though.

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

No, linux runs Sun's java for quite some while (years), even if it was closed source before. They provide linux support for a long time already. In addition there were (are?) other projects that filled the gap before, I just cannot remember the name of a prominent one.. black-something?.
Anyway, interesting question. Maybe it's more an ARM issue though? I'm not sure if there's anything more than Java ME stuff for Arm devices (but even that would help. See Opera Mini).

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Sorry if I sounded a bit grumpy...

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Here is a cool video showing the Sony PSP running Opera Mini 4. I also wish we had some sort of Java emulator on Maemo to run Opera Mini....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtHxR...eature=related

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Is there a direct download link to Jalimo ?

Re: running opera mini 4 on n810 with java?
 

Opera Mini does use a caching proxy server running at an Opera server. This proxy for example compresses big JPEGs. This leads to increased performance. One could, in theory, run their own server for this purpose. Even including banner filters and such.