Lack of Ogg Support
 

Because of lack of Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora support, by default, and more importantly because of Nokia's resistance to Ogg Theora being mentioned in HTML 5 <video> tags, I will no longer be recommending the Nokia Internet Tablet as a multipurpose internet device. (*)

I know of seven to ten purchases that have been made upon my recommendation, in the last year. Nokia has lost a big supporter because they have been unable to justify why they cannot support these patent-free, license-free codecs. Any codec might have submarine patents, but Nokia seems to go out of it's way to avoid these codecs that are intentionally free of patents and licenses.

As long as Maemo will not support by default the codecs of Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora, I will be purchasing and recommending other manufacturers for internet tablets.
[*] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

There are inofficial fixes available, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176#c65 and following comments.
And what you will be recommending to otherw is always your free choice. :-)

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

So.. just Curious...

What exactly is the alternative device that is pocket-sized, has Flash 9, AJAX, Bluetooth DUN/OBEX, Thousands of apps, With default OGG and mp3 support built-in with video playing capabilities.. and for an experimenter has the ability to run a complete linux system which includes access to tens of thousands of more software???

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

I too am curious about the alternatives.

But I would mention, one the advantages of the NIT using open source, is that there are alternatives. I use mplayer (with Kagu as a front end) to play my Ogg music all the time. Free software, as in freedom of choice.

Craig...

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

The Openmoko Neo Freerunner has the hardware, but from what I can tell its software is even rougher than the NIT's. I hope it shapes up, because I'd love to get one.

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

I think you will find it lacks Flash (closed source) and Skype (also closed source). I just attended a presentation of the OpenMoko at OLS 2008, and it looks pretty rough. They are changing the UI 2 more times (from Qt to GTK again).

I was pretty interested until I attended the presenation. Now I am sitting on the side lines.

Craig...

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

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And for the lack of 3G support.

Please see the Wiki and feel free to contribute to it, or the referred bug report. http://wiki.maemo.org/Playing_OGG_files

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

The grass looks always greener on the other side... i.e. until you get there. :)

It's true that the NIT don't play Ogg out of the box. Windows PCs don't play Ogg either.
Nokia or Microsoft may have a stance against Ogg, but it's easy to install software that adds this functionality. On the NITs there are mplayer and mogg to enable Ogg Vorbis.

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

By the way,
any information when mogg will be ported to the diablo extra repo. Don´t want to mix chinook in my diablo only installations :)

MiBi

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

its already in extras-devel. so if you temporarily enable it, you can install it right now.

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

Thank's for the tip MadMan2k,
if it is already there, i think i wait for a few more days until it pops up in the "official" extra repo. Up to now, i still don't know what happens if you install an application from one repo which is moved to another repo afterwards. Does this affect updates, dependencies ? Anyway, i hope that it will be in extras sooner than later :)

MiBi

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

I've installed one of the media player extensions to play OGG which works well, but it won't automatically open them from the filemanager. (and GNUmeric doesn't open xls files). Is there a way to fix this?

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

Search for How To : Associate MPlayer, Transmission, and other apps as default handlers it should give you what you want.

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

The devs will be forced to implement ogg support sooner or later, Firefox is going to include support for it natively in its inclusion HTML5 tag support for <audio> and <video> starting with Firefox 3.1. Unless someone at Nokia wants to be as hard-headed as they have been so far about their position on supporting it.

I wonder, what if someone accidentally leaked the TI IDE for the DSP? Say, on a torrent seeded by a few remote servers out of arm's length of the law? I am not advocating piracy, but by proverbially "letting the cat out of the bag" would force some hands on either developing software or sitting on their software patents trying to chase ghosts who obtained it illegally. It's like how music/movie industry figured out that if you don't make a piece of music that has been released available, people will make it available for you.

I, of course wouldn't (or would I?) do something like that with such lack of respect for intellectual property.

Just a small thought...

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

No, it isn't:

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

The existing tools are perfectly easy to use, the only thing to be gained from the IDE might be run-time debugging, but that requires (afaik) that one uses the Ti bridge software, which we don't.

There is a Garage project for Tremor-on-the-DSP (dsp-tremor), I started it a long time ago, but there was little interest (and I don't use ogg files) so my motivation is generally lacking.

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

Unfortunatly not everybody speaks arm assembly natively..

Re: Lack of Ogg Support
 

The code is written in C, DSP asm will come later to optimise it.