Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Hi,

after installing the latest OS2008 feature upgrade two things happen:

1\ the device randomly reboots without interaction from me
2\ I am using the device mainly with as media streamer with a Twonky server. Whenever a song plays and the screen turns of after a minute, the next song will not play unless the screen turns on.

This is very annoying. It worked perfectly before. Is this a known problem already?

Thanks

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I've also noted that my N800 was turned off for no reason when I pulled it out of my pocket. This has happened quite a few times now, and I have checked it each time to make sure it was locked before putting it away. The battery is still fully charged, so it's not that. Something is causing it to shut off on it's own now. Did they add in a new "shutdown after X time on standby" feature that we don't know about?

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Modest is borked in a new and more annoying way. It is never able to complete a retrieval scan. So rather than telling me I have new mail and crashing, it's getting stuck and I don't get new mail notification at all. In fact I have to killall modest just to get ANY updates.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

To let you know: I removed the feature upgrade again and now everything is fine again.

I would strongly recommend to NOT INSTALL this feature upgrade.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I'd love to remove this feature un-upgrade, but I can't. Application Mangler won't let me.

I agree with your recommendation however.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

It bricked my n810. I'll be restored, but it is really annoying. And app manager also insisted there were upgrades for each individual bit, but couldn't do it because the installed version WAS the depended on version.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I think what we need is the possibility to run a virtual N8x0 device on our desktop computers, then we could do (and re-do and re-do..) all kind of deep testing of, among other things, these updates/upgrades. I hope I understood that qemu project (mentioned in another thread) correctly, and that it will make possible exactly this.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

What we need is a large group of people who are willing to be beta testers to see what works, rather than the entire community.
With so much beta software being used conflicts should be expected.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

You guys made me really really scare. I upgraded the thing for N810 last night and have been using it for about 8 hrs. Keep my fingers cross, no unusual activities yet. Faster, snappier, better........have NOT appreciate any of those yet either. About products: 4.2008.30-2. If nothing else, the upgrade made me redo my bootmenu ritual, as just in any other upgrades.

bun

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I'm having this problem too. I can send and receive mail just fine. But I keep waiting and waiting for the little blue light to flash...... nothing.

I have to start up Modest to get a refresh to see my new messages.

very frustrating.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Um... you mean ALPHA testers? There is not a lot on the NIT's I would consider production quality.

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Counter-point: Modest is retrieving and notifying with Gmail just fine here.

Are you sure it does't have anything to do with Gmail having been down?

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

No. I was using it under Mail.app and the web at the same time. killall modest and reloading would bring up the new mail, but no notification.

After rebooting a few times it appears to be working again for me as well, but it does not instill any confidence at this point that reboots were necessary to clear the problem.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I can very much understand the frustrations expressed by some people in this thread.

But there are also some other sides of story. For example, I am using Evolution + IMAP and my Modest + IMAP and both worked very well today. I haven't had any crashes with Modest either. Also, this is first time SSU is used, many people report success, there are bugfixes which have been reported to improve the usability of the device, and with all the 3rd party and experimental stuff people install or change it is difficult for Nokia to keep such into account. Furthermore, with a software update, instead of installing it, its wise to always first wait until the first issues are popping up. If you really have a production environment in which your NIT is important you should consider to have one device for testing and one for productivity.

My connection panel didn't work well anymore. I could use it, but I could not select any connection so my WiFi was dead. I rebooted which fixed the problem.

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I'm lucky to have both a N800 and N810, so I use the N800 as my test-bed, so I can see the impact before it gets onto my N810.
Thank goodness I didn't upgrade to the new firmware on my N810, as its been worse than a let down. I use the web-browser alot, and its so much worse, page loading times and stalling (especially on the BBC pages!) random closing of the browser if I use the back button, awful text entry on screen, I find it easier to view webpages on my N95 phone than I do on the N800. Battery life is now very poor, e-mail is driving me crazy. The only thing that seems to work better is Transmission!

BT

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You sure your internal card isn't corrupted? This is clearly not a typical experience.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I tested the update on my N800 while my N810 is still happily running Chinook (which I still prefer).
It went fine on the N800 and the correct version shows up in the product information, but I noticed that there are still two very annoying Diablo problems left which I never experienced with Chinook.

1. The desktop process or some of the _built-in_ applets (I don't have 3rd party applets on my Diablo) still leaks memory. Every day or the other, it forces me to manually kill the process to reset the desktop. browserd is also a memory hog and should really be shut down when not using the browser. I've read that some applets use browserd as well to render their content, but wouldn't it be enough to use a simple gtkhtml/webkit for the applets?

2. The browser's user interface is often totally frozen while loading data. This could be a Firefox-Problem (I experience the same on my computer) due to some lack of asynchronous IO. But somehow I have the feeling that this was better under Chinook.

In my opinion, it's still too early to use Diablo on a "production" unit.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

What're are you using to come to this conclusion . . . top? :rolleyes:

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Yeah, I know that busybox's top sucks for this, but I was using it. ;)

On the other hand I'm quite allergic to unnecessary processes running in the background. And a browser process while not surfing is IMHO unnecessary.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

I haven' experienced any of the above mentioned problems but I'll keep my eye out for them.

I run booted from the internal card (N810) and after installing the update the initfs_flash multiboot option was gone and it would only boot from flash. Fortunately I could re-run the initfs script to reinstate it. To my surprise booting again from the internal card shows the updated OS version.

Frank

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

i'm very happy with the update. i seem to notice that the screen is more sensitive to touch (the fingerboard pops up when i want it to), the ui is a tad more snappy and the browser loads my huge offline pages faster than before. i have never had any browser crashes to date.

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Since the OS upgrade, Modest has ceased to be. When I try to load it, the 'email loading' box appears but the Mosest does not. That's pretty much stymied my N810, really, since that is my principal use for it.
Any thoughts anyone from Maemo?

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

It has nothing at all to do with BusyBox. top sucks at counting real memory consumption. Period.

If you want real numbers, install htop and run it, top's number amount to no more than a lot of hot air as far as counting memory usage is concerned.

OK, but what if it greatly reduces startup times and begins to actually reduce overall memory usage once more things start embedding browserd browsers?

command line, xterm
 

Under command line in an xterm sometimes using Dpad up does not repeat the history in order.
Also how do I turn on auto fill for the text?

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That's an argument. However, the startup times on Chinook were OK for me. The part about embedding browsers raises the question in me if it's always necessary to embed a full-featured rendering engine with accurate CSS and JavaScript support when there are just some lines of formatted text to be displayed?
Sharing browserd certainly makes sense, but I think it would also make sense to quit it after the last client using it was closed.

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Which it is. The broswerd that's left only takes about 7-10MB of real memory. Personally, I'm fine parting with that much for a ~5 second reduction in browser startup time (and likely even more than that once it's optimized more).

Re: Problems after latest OS feature upgrade
 

Imap secure doesn't work in my N800 diablo 30-2 with imap4s server from my university :( I'm trying to work in POP3 mode.