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GeneralAntilles 2008-08-14 23:43

Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Due to a minor mix up with some Flash version strings (they weren't updated properly with Flash updates), the Flash plugin is described as an older version than it actually is (r31 instead of r48). This affects some websites that require a slightly newer revision of Flash 9, and can prevent you from using their Flash applications (some Facebook applets, in particular).

Fix is included in 4.2008.36-5

Many thanks to atmasphere of maemo-apps.org for finding this one!

If you run into any additional Flash version troubles about anything older than r48, please speak up over in bug #3567. Note, anything newer than r48 is not currently supported, so complaints about r48 being too old are a separate issue and should not be reported to bugzilla.

sondjata 2008-08-15 01:10

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
I simply do not understand why web designers or their clients insist on doing sniffs for the latest point rev of the flash plug-in. especially when they are doing nothing that requires such granularity. back in the day when we were designing muli-media CD's we always tried to code to the previous rev to avoid such nonsense.

YoDude 2008-08-15 02:16

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 213943)
I simply do not understand why web designers or their clients insist on doing sniffs for the latest point rev of the flash plug-in. especially when they are doing nothing that requires such granularity. back in the day when we were designing muli-media CD's we always tried to code to the previous rev to avoid such nonsense.

It ain't back in the day. :)

Today flash is as much about delivering advertising as it is about delivering entertainment or information. Either way, content producers may not want their "product" to be delivered in a less then perfect way.

Technology couldn't remain new if it was perfect so all they can hope for is that any new version will be closer to perfect than the last.

However, sometimes its not... so here is an semi-unofficial thanks to the General

Benson 2008-08-15 02:42

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
I'd think that advertisers would rather their ads appear less-than-perfectly then not at all... I guess it's not their job to think about platforms other than Windows and maybe MacOS, though.

YoDude 2008-08-15 03:35

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 213957)
I'd think that advertisers would rather their ads appear less-than-perfectly then not at all... I guess it's not their job to think about platforms other than Windows and maybe MacOS, though.

The "product" in this case may be Adobe's Flash its own dang self.

ARJWright 2008-08-15 04:14

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Thanks for this; though I wonder why something like this wouldn't have been just pushed as an SSU update? It woyld seem to be the point of SSU for something just like this right?

TA-t3 2008-08-15 09:05

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Indeed, small fixes like that would be better candidates for the early SSU updates, to iron out problems before pushing more major stuff.

tso 2008-08-15 09:10

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
i thought this was what the updates button in the browsers component dialog was for...

bfleury 2008-08-25 03:07

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
The link above for the flash update bug fix appears to be broken.

GeneralAntilles 2008-08-25 03:12

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfleury (Post 217158)
The link above for the flash update bug fix appears to be broken.

That it does, I've poked timeless about it, will get back to you when it's fixed.

Anybody happen to have a mirror in the meantime?

qwerty12 2008-08-25 07:53

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Mirrored.

http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb

EDIT: Original site up. I'll leave this here incase, unless it should be removed?

fragos 2008-09-18 20:21

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
As a web site developer I can tell that that one of our goals is for a good viewing experience for all. You'd be amazed at how many people still use IE6. Hand held devices are increasingly becoming a larger factor in web browsing. For various reasons they are an extra step behind many desktops in release levels. It wasn't until Flash 9 was available on Linux that most sites required more than Flash 7.

sjgadsby 2008-09-21 10:15

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 213930)
A semi-unofficial fix is available here.

Site is currently down, waiting on a fix or a mirror!

Site is up now. Unless you know its upness is only temporary, would you please update the original post? Folks will likely be looking for this patch, as timeless mentioned on several occasions during the summit.

Nelson L. Squeeko 2008-09-29 17:57

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
For the most recent SSU update I keep getting an error with the Flash player. I tried installing this Flash player update to resolve the SSU issue, and it gives me an error. (unable to update flash-player-r48). In the application manage list of installed applications, it says the flash-player-r48 status is Broken. When I try to uninstall it, I get an error and it can't be uninstalled. Any suggestions?

Benson 2008-09-29 18:06

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
You don't need this after the latest SSU; the flash was reporting the wrong version, and this made it report the correct version. The SSU included a fixed version that reports the correct version, so this is redundant.

Now that you've got it half installed, the only way you're likely to get it fixed is with apt-get -f install or similar (as root, from a shell).

Nelson L. Squeeko 2008-09-29 18:25

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Actually, the main problem I was facing was the SSU wouldn't install because of a conflict with the flash player. I tried installing the flash player to see if that would fix the problem. I think where I'm at right now is wait till I get home, and do a manual reflash and then update etc.

Benson 2008-09-29 18:33

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Ah.. I thought you'd made the SSU, then tried this.

In that case, removing this "fix" will likely eliminate the problem. I'd definitely try that (via apt-get, etc.) before clean-flashing it.

Laughing Man 2008-10-02 20:35

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
What command would remove this flash patch? I'm going try to install the SSU update. I saw the command earlier but I can't refind it now.

GeneralAntilles 2008-10-02 20:41

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 229863)
What command would remove this flash patch? I'm going try to install the SSU update. I saw the command earlier but I can't refind it now.

It's listed in the installed applications list under flash. . . .

Laughing Man 2008-10-02 20:43

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Haha... oops.

I'm just use to the command line way. So I was expecting some command like apt-get remove flash (something). Well here it goes *crosses fingers for update*

Thanks GA.

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-05 08:33

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Hi, I have the latest OS2008 update installed and I am still not able to view veoh website. the website asks for a latest version of flash. How can I solve this problem?

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-05 08:42

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 217188)
Mirrored.

http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb

EDIT: Original site up. I'll leave this here incase, unless it should be removed?

I tried to install this on my OS2008 with latest update and it says unable to install! Any hint why it is happening? Thanks.

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-05 08:45

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 217188)
Mirrored.

http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb

EDIT: Original site up. I'll leave this here incase, unless it should be removed?

The adobe website says the current version is 9.0.124.0. Is there any way to get that version for OS2008?

fragos 2008-10-05 08:51

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
It isn't needed with the latest OS release and was only an unofficial patch for the prior OS release so that flash correctly reported it's version. The problem was fixed in the latest release. You have the most recent version of flash available for the N8x0.

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-05 10:10

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Thanks a lot, but i am unable to view videos on Veoh.com. Could you see videos on veoh? Appreciate if you can let me know how can I solve this problem. Thanks.

sjgadsby 2008-10-05 15:26

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svrkprabhakar (Post 230588)
Could you see videos on veoh?

No.

Quote:

Appreciate if you can let me know how can I solve this problem.
  • Wait for Adobe to compile a newer version of the Flash plugin for ARMEL Linux and for Nokia to include it in an update.
  • Convince Veoh to check if they actually rely upon something in the very latest version of the Flash plugin, and if not, recode their version checks to allow older, but still compatible, versions.
  • Figure out how to patch the Flash plugin binary on your tablet so it reports a newer version than what it is, and hope Veoh doesn't rely upon changes made in newer versions of the plugin.

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-05 15:31

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 230642)
No.


  • Wait for Adobe to compile a newer version of the Flash plugin for ARMEL Linux and for Nokia to include it in an update.
  • Convince Veoh to check if they actually rely upon something in the very latest version of the Flash plugin, and if not, recode their version checks to allow older, but still compatible, versions.
  • Figure out how to patch the Flash plugin binary on your tablet so it reports a newer version than what it is, and hope Veoh doesn't rely upon changes made in newer versions of the plugin.

Thanks a lot! but the last two options are out of my range, I am just a beginner so I can go with the first one though it is very inconvenient to wait for something like this:(

fragos 2008-10-05 20:14

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
It's unfortunate that some web sites don't understand their customers. My site is very technical so most of my viewers are well versed in Internet use and more likely to seek out the latest releases. Only 65% have the latest version of flash. Perhaps as many as 15% have versions of flash veoh.com is guaranteed not work with. As a web developer I go to great lengths to see that my sites are compatible with the widest variety of users, OS and browsers. That is what my clients expect. An example of the right way is Google. They design for an older version of flash and use have developed a javascript wrapper for flash that works on everything. If you download a non-flash video it will be in Apple Quicktime format with a .mov file extension. All decisions made to support the most viewers.

jhoff80 2008-10-05 20:23

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
I had the same issue with the SSU failing to install, and went into applications manager and uninstalled the flash-player-r53 or whatever number it was, and then the SSU installed fine.

svrkprabhakar 2008-10-06 01:22

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fragos (Post 230728)
It's unfortunate that some web sites don't understand their customers. My site is very technical so most of my viewers are well versed in Internet use and more likely to seek out the latest releases. Only 65% have the latest version of flash. Perhaps as many as 15% have versions of flash veoh.com is guaranteed not work with. As a web developer I go to great lengths to see that my sites are compatible with the widest variety of users, OS and browsers. That is what my clients expect. An example of the right way is Google. They design for an older version of flash and use have developed a javascript wrapper for flash that works on everything. If you download a non-flash video it will be in Apple Quicktime format with a .mov file extension. All decisions made to support the most viewers.

Right, the only way for people like us is to wait and get the appropriate update to come. I urge those developers to shed some light on this and try putting some time porting the latest flash to NIT. I am not sure if it is possible to develop an application that automatically do porting the new flash or other versions to Maemo platform on the fly...as simple as importing linux version of flash and exporting the maemo version:)

GeneralAntilles 2008-10-06 02:44

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svrkprabhakar (Post 230796)
I urge those developers to shed some light on this and try putting some time porting the latest flash to NIT.

Yes, because Flash is all open source and everything. . . .

qwerty12 2008-10-06 06:16

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svrkprabhakar (Post 230644)
Thanks a lot! but the last two options are out of my range, I am just a beginner so I can go with the first one though it is very inconvenient to wait for something like this:(

I don't count myself to be a programmer or anything but even I didn't find it hard to load up /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so in a hex editor and search for the string Shockwave Flash 9.0 and edit the Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48 string to Shockwave Flash 9.0 r99 (the version on my desktop) . Hell, it can't be r666. (Excuse the pun.)

Whoops, you can only replace two numbers so I guess r99 is the best you can get unless you can use entrypoints in ELF files?

And yes, it still says r31 by default. I don't know why but I loaded the latest flash player from the latest ssu off nokia's servers and that is what I found.
^ wrong. I downloaded the wrong file, thanks to fragos below for correcting me.

fragos 2008-10-06 06:22

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
When I upgraded to 4.2008.36-5 with SSU, flash 9 r41 came with it.

qwerty12 2008-10-06 06:24

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Yes, my bad. I loaded the wrong file, lemme update my post with right strings :)

maacruz 2008-10-06 20:05

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
I've already taken route 2.
This is my email exchange with them:
Quote:

Dear Brando,
Thank you very much for your support.
Following you e-mail and in order to narrow down the issue, I hacked the
device's installed flash player (9.0 r48) to show a fake bigger release
number (9.1 r48) to bypass the veoh page's flash version detection code, and
check if the flash player is able to play veoh videos or not.
So, the result is that I can confirm that flash 9.0.48 supports H264 and can
play veoh videos, and therefore, the veoh flash version check is too
restrictive.
In addition to that test, Adobe's press release about flash player 9 beta
release (see link below), confirms that flash player supports H264 since the
first public beta.
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pres...ashPlayer.html

It would be nice if you could update the flash check in veoh to just check for
flash player 9.0 instead of flash player 9.0 rXX.

If you need me to perform any test or help you in any way, please let me know.

Kind regards,
Miguel Angel

El Lunes 06 Octubre 2008, escribió:
> Hello,
>
>
>
>
> We're sorry to hear about the trouble you're having.
>
>
>
>
> Veoh has upgraded its video streaming to H.264 which is capable of
> providing good video quality at substantially lower bit rates than our
> previous standard. Now that we are streaming in H.264, a small percentage
> of our viewers will need to upgrade to Flash 9 in order to take advantage
> of the better video playback H.264 provides.
>
>
>
> You can download Flash 9 here: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
> (http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/)
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I think the version after 9.0.48 supports H.264 but I'm not
> sure if it's out for linux yet.
>
>
>
>
> Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Brandon
> Veoh Tech Support
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: maacruz@xxxx
> Received: 10/5/08 12:37:33 PM PDT
> To: websupport@veoh.com
> Subject: Video Playback in Veoh.com
>
>
> Email: maacruz@xxxx
>
> UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-ES; rv:1.9.0.3)
> Gecko/2008092700 SUSE/3.0.3-2.2 Firefox/3.0.3
>
> IPAddress: xxxx
>
> Subject: Video Playback in Veoh.com
>
> Permalink:
> http://forums.veoh.com/forum/showthr...9fe4ccdcb4d365
>15a&t=2027
>
> Personal message:
> The veoh video web player doesn't work in the Nokia Internet Tablets, it
> ask for a newer flash version. The tablet uses a mozilla browser and has
> flash-player 9.0.48 installed. This is the User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
> Linux armv6l; es-ES; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080828 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet
> browser 0.3.7 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5 Youtube, google-videos,
> megavideo, dailymotion, guba, ..., all work fine. I guess your flash
> version check fails.
>
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sjgadsby 2008-11-13 16:34

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 213930)
Note, anything newer than r48 is not currently supported, so complaints about r48 being too old are a separate issue and should not be reported to bugzilla.

While that makes sense, it is disappointing that Nokia's new viNe service for the Nseries rejects Flash on the tablets as too old. It wants nothing less than 9.0.115.0.

I hope that with the release of the Maemo 5 device, the tablets will move beyond their token "N" to receive a bit more respect and recognition from the rest of Nokia.

svrkprabhakar 2008-11-13 16:49

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
So, finally what is the message guys? Do we have a fix for viewing vieoh and other video sites that ask for latest flash? I am eager to see this fixed so that I can start using my N810 again:):p

fragos 2008-11-14 00:11

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
Just going by my site, 20% of my visiters have older than Flash 9.0.115. Anyone that develops a site requiring more the oldest version of 9 are doing a dis-service to their viewers. As a professional I can tell you we're always interested in the bleeding edge but refrain from using it until virtually every visiter has it installed. I also wouldn't be surprised if the N8x0s version of Flash would work anyway and the demand for 9.0.115 wasn't necessary.

buurmas 2009-03-16 18:03

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
And now Flash Player 10 is out (although apparently not for maemo). BTW, I complained to FaceBook b/c their videos require a newer Flash Player then my n810 has.

buurmas 2009-03-16 18:27

Re: Websites complain about out-of-date Flash version? Fix here
 
BTW, I just successfully viewed videos (The Daily Show & SNL) at veoh.com, so maybe they changed something? Although the video lags the sound considerably, which is no fun. (As an aside, I have the same problem with hulu.com videos, although not with youtube.com so far.)


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