maemo.org Community Council Voting
 

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The list of candidate positions, and more background information is here on the maemo.org wiki:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community...e_declarations

Also, it's worth reiterating this is not a Maemo governing council. The council are not setting the direction of Maemo as a software product. Instead, this is a "maemo.org Community Council" - to help Nokia deal with the wide and disparate community and vice-versa.

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I want to vote (I believe in democracy) but I received only the pre-vote email, not the one with the number code. I searched also through spam emails, but without finding that. Any hint?

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Go, Eduardo, go!

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Call me a noob, but I really don't understand what is required to become eligible to vote. Did I miss some kind of sign-up process to vote? (I don't have anything in my email.)

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You must have a maemo.org account at least 3 months old.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council#Elections

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I am still unable to vote. Well, it's not so important, indeed, but a little disturbing. There are still 4 days remaining but I'd prefer to get my ticket in time. Otherwise, I'll refer a complaint to UNO and the International Court of Human Rights.

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Did you read the post above yours?

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Yes, mon general, I'm quite used to read threads before asking, and my account is much older, even if my karma is not quite high due to those many disturbances - like job and children and wife - which don't allow me to spend as much time as I wish on tablets.

Meanwhile, Tim Samoff adviced me to ask Dave Neary, who was so kind and informative to look through this issue (even if on weekend) and said he'll going to send me my token again on Monday. So, thanks for your help.

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I am happy to be able to vote, but the fact that I have a maemo.org account is merely because I voted on a bug some time ago. I wonder how many people contribute to ITT with helping people and testing beta software who don't have a Maemo.org account. To me those are part of the community as well.

I suspect that the lack of interest and publicity around this council voting is because of the vagueness of what its powers and function are, and maybe about what the Maemo community atcually is: is it the developers? hardcore tinkerers? betatesters? Or people who like using their tablet and are passionate about them on the web?

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Yes, but maemo.org community? Because, clearly, it's a maemo.org Community Council, and you can't really be part of a maemo.org community if you don't participate in maemo.org. ;)

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I read 'Maemo Community council election'.

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Hrm, I see, well, this is clearly incorrect. Apologies for the confusing (I blame Dave :p). It is most definitely a maemo.org council election.

I've emailed the community list about having it fixed.

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Hi all,

For info, I helped Ernesto find his vote (which he had received) - problem sorted now.

Dave.

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The discussion on the community list cleared things up nicely, thanks GAN ;)

To clarify: the council is intended to represent the Maemo community (not those with accounts on maemo.org). We need to have some measure of what it means to be part of the community - the initial proposal was "karma > 25 in a maemo.org account" - that was considered excessively strict and arbitrary by a vocal part of the IRC channel & community mailing list, and so the karma requirement was scrapped.

There are discussions underway, and input is needed, on what the best way to measure community participation - ITT thanks and posts should be included in karma, the karma measure for bugzilla, mailing lists, blogs, development, the wiki, IRC, and general participation in the community all need to be polished, with perhaps more complicated rules to measure the relative weight of contributions.

One point worth making is that obviously (to me, at least) just having a maemo.org account shouldn't be enough to be considered "part of the maemo community".

So, the council *will* represent the Maemo community, but for this first election, a maemo.org account was a requirement. Future elections may have different requirements, or perhaps karma will evolve to the point where we can properly measure participation, and maemo.org and itt accounts can be merged? I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud.

Dave.

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Cleared things up, how, exactly? This statement below seems to directly contradict the point I made on the list. . . .

My personal opinion is that council is not intended to represent everything that makes up the "Maemo Community" as this is neither realistic nor, in some cases, desirable. . . .

I'm not exactly sure where you got this from any of the statements I've made. The maemo.org Community Council cannot represent the entire Maemo Community.

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The winkie was intended to communicate that it did the opposite - as I said in my last mail on the mailing list thread, there is no clear consensus.

I'd be interested in hearing cases where it's not desirable.

I respectfully disagree :) I just think we need a better idea of who makes up the Maemo community, so that we can have an accurate electorate and a representative council.

Dave.

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I wanna be community dogcatcher, but it wasn't an option this time.

There's always the next election.

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There's no such thing as a "Maemo community". How would you define a "Maemo community"? Am I part of the Maemo community? What if I'm active here, am interested in the further development of Maemo, own 2 tablets but explicitely say "I don't want to be part of a community because I believe in anarchy"? (I don't say this, it's just the first example I made up.)

You need to have some means of defining a membership... not only because of the elections, but to define a community per se. Not defining it might be enough for wannabe journalists who talk about "the linux community", but everything serious needs clear definitions.

So if there's no such thing as a "Maemo community", what do we have?
People who care enough to actively participate and communicate and contribute... using some web service.

So we could say we have:

• the community at maemo.org,
• the community at itt,
• the community at http://n800.de/ (an english speaking service will never even be close to representing "the community" in the broader sense that some think of; never forget foreign language resources)
• the community at http://tabletblog.com/
• etc. etc.

These we can identify. You can tell who's part of which community and who isn't.


Only thing you have to do now is decide:

Does the council represent a developer community? Then it's a council for the community at maemo.org .... While not necessarily each developer needs to be registered there, it's reasonable to believe that those who wish to be represented by the council and want to vote will sign up just for this one reason.

Or does the council represent a wider community, including curious users and people who are just helpful? Then itd be nice to include as many of the communities listed above as possible, forming a superset.

(You could, of course, go the other way round: Say that by definition maemo.org is the Maemo community because of its name and who wants to be part of it needs to sign up. That's a very logical approach, too. Just like in real life I can't be part of an association I never even contacted. Still, it leads to the same result: There is no "Maemo community" somewhere in virtual space, there's only maemo.org, itt, n800.de, ....)

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In another words, if nominated, Benny will not run. If elected, he will not serve.

I vote for Benny.

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While anarchists choose to ignore governmental control, they -- like any "tribe" -- value community:

http://www.anarchist-studies.org/

-T.

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In the absence of government, radicals assert control, the populace eventually rebels against them... and a government is formed.

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I knew you would. What we have is something very special. :D

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You SWORE you would never tell!!! :mad:

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well, the definition of "community" is (for voting purposes) defined (I didn't preface that word with a 'well-' prefix) in this instance.

however, despite having met the guidelines, the poorly maintained database(s?) may not necessarily reflect qualifying membership, and some users will be, thusly, disenfranchised.

I signed in with my account and voted on bugs (which, if I remember correctly, is exactly why I signed up there in the first place!!) back in February and March, yet the only activity showing in the database @ maemo.org is the day I joined a development team a few weeks ago... so, they assume my membership is only a few weeks old. ...and I am not eligible to vote. hmph.

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Bugzilla account is different from the maemo.org account... yet... :)

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That was in a different community. Doesn't count here. :p

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ah, yet more cohesiveness. ;)

well, if any of the maemo guys want to harass the bugzilla guys, the account name and password are the same, and created on the same day (probably a week or so after my account -here- on iTT was created).

anyway... when is this "election" supposed to be completed?

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They're not the same - the Bugzilla login is your email address.

Election should be completed tomorrow.

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Hi Brian,

Can you contact me by email to allow me to investigate this before voting closes tomorrow, Brian?

Thanks,
Dave.

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I didn't meet the requirements to vote or get elected either. I think the council should first address what is the "[Mm]aemo(.org) community" since both the discussion here and on the list make it crystal clear that no one really has a good answer to that.

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...well, then. at least I'm in good company. :D

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No, that's bad company. Very bad. Go to your room.

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So you are claiming that we're all backing a 'bad company?' Why do you hate? :)

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Sorry, that was residue from just filling out the annual corporate survey.

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maemo.org is never capitalized. I think it's pretty clear myself, anyway. People who are involved in maemo.org (more than just registering an account) are part of the maemo.org community.

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Actually, the selection criteria for voting rights explicitly includes those who "just registered an account" ...prior to some arbitrary date.

...and, I have done more than "just register an account", if that remark was aimed at me

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Actually, the original selection criteria was 3 months and 25 karma points. My own desire is for this to be the criteria for the next election, but we'll see what happens.

. . . and, no, the remark wasn't "aimed" at anybody.

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What are karma points? (I'm sure it's obvious to some.. but I don't see anything called karma points around here.)

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http://maemo.org/profile/list/

Interestingly it looks like fanoush's discussions karma finally kicked in.