Nokia warns it is losing market share
 

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...%7D&dist=msr_9


LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Shares of Nokia Corp. fell as much as 11% Friday after the world's largest maker of mobile phones warned that aggressive pricing by some of its rivals, tougher competition at the lower end of the market and a production glitch with one of its products would dent its market share in the third quarter.

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Mh, their rivals became very strong. I'm surprised at products from Samsung, maybe for the first time my next phone won't be a Nokia :rolleyes:

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The article is about mobile phone segment; besides the fact that the NIT is made by Nokia this has nothing to do with NITs.

In the article also the state of the world economy is mentioned.

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It's deja vu all over again!

:(

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I don't agree. Without Nokia's position on the mobile phone market they wouldn't experiment with new ideas. The NIT 770 was not a real consumer product ;)

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Without profits in their main business it is unlikely they will do much on the NIT with scarce $$

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I told them I wouldn't buy their sh*t anymore.

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Explanation?

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Actually, the NIT is in their mobile division, so, yeah, it has something to do with the NIT.

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I'm teetering on this, given Nokia's statements about OGG with regards to patents and their statement that the community should embrace closed source and architectures.. and most importantly, my experience with trying to get replacement parts and stylus (stylii? heh).

The fact that if something breaks, there's no course for me to go through to get the parts to replace easily replaceable parts is infuriating and enough to completely turn me away moreso than anything else that annoyed me. This is a show-stopper of an error on their part.

Maybe that's not his reason, but it might be mine unless Nokia improves in light of increasing competition from vendors who might do a better job of taking care of their customers after they've purchased product and happily spread the brand by word of mouth. It's akin to feeling betrayed.

But I digress, I'd like to know his reasons too.

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You wouldn't referring to Ari's speech, would you? Because that was entirely misinterpreted by the "media".

Just search around a bit, he can't stop himself from posting them in every thread he runs across. ;)

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Which is hypocritical at best since the wayfinder application uses ogg ( just check your n810 internal memory ).

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Well, I like Nokia, but my track record with them is a bit sketchy. My first Nokia died (More correctly got killed from general use), was totally rebuilt, and nearly died a second time. The other ones I worked with didn't live long either. The n810 though has been a dream, for the most part. Of course, if it weren't built like a bloody tank, it wouldn't survive long. That's why I buy the Motorola ducks. It's less about quality and more about who can survive the longest under my version of "normal use". lol. ^_^;; Of course, most people would deem my "normal" to be their "extreme to the extreme". heh. Yeah, I'm very hard on things, and it's not intentional.

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My NIT is my only Nokia device. Based on my experience with their customer support, I have no plans to buy a phone from them. It took me over a month to track down somewhere that could (and would) order a replacement stylus for my n810. Nokia would hardly give me the time of day. My overall impression is that Nokia has no clue how to help their customers after the sale.

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I have submitted a formal request for Nokia customer service to start offering exact-fit replacement stylii. I cannot promise any results, but I will press the issue.

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My n810 came with a spare stylus. o_0

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I'm not overly surprised with T-Mobile/Verizon/Sprint spending a LOT of money to push non-Nokia product.

Karel, you have an interesting link there. Pandora looks and sounds pretty good.

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No! Pandora is a piece of junk! It doesn't work! Don't buy it! Don't preorder it! Stay away!

...

(you see, preorders start any day now, and the initial manufacturing run is only 3,000 units. I want mine!)

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I'm seriosly considering buying one :D

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I doubt it's because of their US situation - that has been really bad for a couple of years now. And Nokia never really had any market share among CDMA phones to start with, so there's nothing there to lose.

I think it's simply because their Q3 lineup is a bit lackluster - they haven't really introduced any significant new models that became available prior to Q3, had issues with the 6220 Classic (I assume that's the mid end device they mentioned in the press release). They lacked some new stuff during Q3 - the E71/E66 are very nice, but only now reaching the market via operators here, the N78 is still too overpriced for its functionality to reach more people I'd say, and upcoming cash cows like the SuperNova lineup and the 6600 Slide/Classic are only starting to become available now.
Combine that with a very aggressive and impressive Samsung, a very successful HTC and Apple's iPhone 3G, and I think it's not surprising to see a market share dip of a couple of percents.

And at almost 40% of such an extremely competitive market, basically the only way is down anyhow if you ask me.

In the end, if things go a similar way as with their 2004/2005 crisis, then I'd say Nokia will come back better than ever after that mini-crisis at the moment :)

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Then the article is inaccurate. It keeps referring to "mobile phones".

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The point was that the tablets exist because of the phone business.

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Yes, I see the relation although when I posted here I was keeping in mind the NIT was profitable for Nokia. I had just read that in another thread.

Oh well, some new Nokia phones are about to be released... I'm excited! :)

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I was excited about the N96... but I know that it'll never get subsidized and I'm not too enthusiastic about paying 800+ USD for a phone I'll replace in 13 months or so - that's how many months each and every Nokia phone I've had prior have lasted, give or take a month.

With that... if Nokia continues to lose mobile phone share, their fringe markets budgeting might shrink. And that... sucks. I love my 770, and I love my N810.

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I have an old Nokia phone as my private phone, but we don't use Nokia at work. The work phones are all of another brand, with a few exceptions. Those exception Nokia are mostly a pain, which is the main reason we don't all use them.

To make it short: It isn't possible to just dump the whole corp. contacts list (as a vcard file) into Nokia phones, they can only take contacts one-by-one, which is simply not an option for a corporation. Fix that, Nokia, and you'll have lots of enterprise customers. Even better, support categories (category=vcard file name, as on E.g. Palm), so that it's possible to scratch&reload by category and people don't have to suffer losing their private contacts.

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I'm not sure where you get that idea. I have dumped my entire Outlook contacts into every Nokia phone I've used... and not one at a time. :confused:

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Vcard file. Not Outlook. If you use Outlook you're maybe OK, but not everyone is using Outlook. Vcard is the open format, and Vcard should be supported. Nokia kind of supports it, but it only reads the first contact (ie. it can only handle one contact per vcard file, which is insane).

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Are we talking os2008 or some nokia phones. os2008 reads the whole vcard file, it mangles the crap out of it to the point of virtual unusability, but it does read more than one contact.

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YMMV, as always. My good old 6021 is nearing its third birthday, and still going strong, on the original battery too...

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Nokia phones (as the thread started about Nokia market share - their market share is presumably made up from 99.999% phone sales - not NIT (yet) :)).

It's a pity about the way contacts is implemented on the NIT, but at least it can, as you correctly say, read more than one contact. For the phones, even if you can sync with desktop Outlook, how do you get the contacts into (desktop) outlook in the first place.. last time I checked, it can only read one entry too. It should be a very simple thing to fix, one should think, but it's been like that for years (Nokia and Outlook both).

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12 months implies you still have warranty. Even in the US. Buy it in Europe and get 3 years manufacturer warranty, or buy additional warranty from your telco if you bought it branded.

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I stated 13 or so months - that's usually the lesser, where my ol' 7160 lasted for 16 months.

Regardless, 800 bucks, 12 months. Send in and be without a cellphone - they typically don't do "loaners" at AT&T... the American telcos are in the dark ages compared to the Japanese.

Anyway, no. I've done it enough to know that Nokia phones and myself are not a good mix... not 100%. And unsubsidized means that I'm paying full price - do not let that escape you. I am not willing to pay full price when other phones are subsidized for much, much less.