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[Debian] LXDE observations (and a question)
I've been playing around with LXDE on the n810 and it's a pretty nice little environment- I think it's a bit lighter than xfce, but looks much more polished and featureful. It doesn't seem quite as quick as Icewm, but it's pretty close and does much more. Everything looks very slick and polished, not 'hacked together' like a lot of the lighter desktop environments. I think it's definitely worth checking out.
I do have a quick question though for the lxde users here: where can we stick a script to run stuff on startup (xmodmap, xbindkeys, etc)? I've done a bit of looking around, and supposedly making an autostart.sh in ~/.config/openbox or modifying ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart should do stuff, but I'm having no luck at all. If no one knows I'll dig some more and/or post somewhere lxde-specific, but I figured one of us who's been playing with it might have come across something already. Thanks much. |
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I'll be watching this thread; I want a WM for my Easy Debian Final that is both fast (faster than xfce4) and not so stripped-bare like IceWM. fvwm2 is (supposedly) configurable, but I don't know how to configure it, and like so many of the light WMs, there's no nice configuration GUI.
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Dude.. LXDE is awesome....
I am totally hooked. But it doesn't look like you are getting away from config files qole. I'll look into the startup thing. |
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It really is impressive. I used Icewm years and years ago on a little Ipaq, and it _is_ very fast, but it's really far too minimal for most users I think. I love it on the NIT (and FYI the Infadel2 theme looks beautiful on the Nokia), but then I haven't run a full 'desktop environment' (k/gnome/etc) for years. The tablets, in my opinion, require a bit more friendliness than a real desktop though- you don't have the advantage of a real keyboard and mouse, so having extravagant features like desktop icons are really pretty nice :) Fluxbox is my preferred window manager on a desktop, but without actual mouse buttons it just isn't practical.
LXDE does seem like the best tradeoff between performance and function. I believe that openbox is marginally heavier than Icewm (though I could be mistaken, I haven't done any real testing between the two), but they really are modular; it wouldn't be too hard to 'downgrade' back to Icewm and still keep the other goodies from LXDE. |
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Oh ignore my post on config files.. I just noticed if you have right click available you can configure your panels and stuff that way...
I did it through config files :D |
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Will it use our GTK+ tap-and-hold right-click hack? Or do we have to use another hack for right-click?
EDIT: YES, the web page says it is GTK+ based! That's MARVELOUS! |
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GTK works fine. I didn't have libgtkstylus on my new one so it wasn't working for me and I thought it had to be config files... once I loaded the module it works now..
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Houston, we have a problem...
How comes that lxde wants to install an insane number of packages on my rootfs? Code:
[root@Debian: /]apt-get install lxde |
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try apt-get install xserver-xomap xservery-xephyr lxde
See if by forcing the right xserver packages it doesn't go for xorg? Didn't have this problem on Deblet. |
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Nope, still wants to download the whole xorg cyclopedia. Don't worry, I'll try dpkg - or, indeed, I can live without it.
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Yeah, I'm running into that too. What package is triggering the xorg avalanche? We need to find it...
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In Deblet we avoid the avalanche through this in xserver-omap:
Provides: xserver-xorg |
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This is a glaring blinking message that serve's as the epitome to why running two debian's side-by-side seems a bit silly...
Qole - why not frame a basic-barebones deblet and remove what you don't want to and tar that up for your rootfs?? |
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That being said, it would be nice to have a couple of those dummy packages with the trick "provides" lines in the fatalsaint repository... :) |
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Yeah, there's something wrong with the LXDE package; you should never require xorg.
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Ok, please find attached a .deb (made with equivs) that will provide xserver-xorg and xscreensaver, two packages that we won't be using on the tablets.
In your non-deblet Debian, as root, do the following: Code:
dpkg -i dummy-xorg_1.0_all.deb |
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Oh, very nice.
You need to use "startlxde", "lxsession" segfaults. Ok, it is very picky about how it is run; you need to use startlxde, and if you use xinit, it has to be run as user, not as root. I had to modify startlxde to include the DISPLAY=:1 so that it would start in my Xephyr install... By the way, if you want to start any apps, perhaps you can run them in the startlxde script? |
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Ha! I don't have my tablet right here for testing (although I can ssh in), but I think I found what the OP was looking for:
Try this file: /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart It's a bit scary, since this file seems to control everything that starts when LXDE starts... My one looks like this: Code:
@lxde-settings Some important information I found from this unlikely source: Quote:
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EDIT: I can confirm that anything put into /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart and the .desktop files in /home/user/.config/autostart do start up. Nothing in the "default" file works, not ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/default nor /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/default. |
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I dont delete xscreensaver because I set it to just a black screen and lock my window... with an N810 it's a good way to keep from "accidentally" launching stuff when it's in my pocket... and I also think it helps with battery life.
But just to show you how dismal Debian battery life is it made it about 8 hours with minimal use before shutting down. that's how long maemo lasts for ACTIVE use. I had it sitting on my desk most the day at work and just eveyr so often hit the screen to make sure it was still running.. then I saw it start the shutdown procedures after about 8 hours. Nifty trick on startup for LXDE qole... I shall add xmodmap to mine.. thanks man :). |
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