Archos iPhone n810 web load time comparison
 

No surprises really.. microb is a bit sluggish.

But where is the bottleneck?

http://www.pocketables.net/2008/10/website-load-ti.html

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It's a lame comparison. Says lots about the hardware and practically nothing about the software. The Archos 5 has got a Cortex A8 at 600MHz (versus our ARM11 @ 400MHz) which is easily 2-3x faster. The iPhone, too, has a faster processor (ARM11 @ ~500MHz).

This will be an interesting comparison when all 3 browsers are compared on the same hardware, until then, it's just a hardware comparison.

Oh, also, please search first.

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Really, I don't know WHY people make comparisons like this. Page load times are ******ed benchmarks. Yeah, the Archos loads pages faster (and as the General says, the processor is 2-3x faster), but people say the scrolling is crap compared to the iPhone. Its really stupid to compare a brand new device to a old one. Yes, even though the internet tablet is not that old, the mobile market is moving FAST. Its like comparing a Pentium 4 running Vista to a Dual Core running Xubuntu. Its obvious which is faster, why bother. Actually, its amazing the the iPhone and the Tablet are so close to the much more powerful Archos.

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Why not make comparisons like this? People are buying products, not the CPU. It is not like they can say "I want a Nokia N810, but with a faster processor, please."

The comparison, as seen from a different stand point than "rollover and take whatever CPU they give you and then defend it" is what any real consumer will look at first.

I didn't buy my N810 for the CPU. I didn't buy my 770 for its CPU. I bought them for their functionality which is tied into their perceived performance.

I know, I know... the N810 isn't a primetime, mainstream piece of tech. So you people (look above) will invariably know it's a OMAP XX and it's at XXX mhz, and it's capable of YY and you like it because of ZZ.

But you do not, I repeat... do not represent the average consumer in the least. You guys (here) are way too damn informed to be considered the average consumer; even on your worst day.

This comparison, from the average consumer standpoint... it's "valid". And says to me that performance N810 might need to be optimized a bit as far as my browser is concerned.

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i am so selling my n810. I dont see any reasons to keep it. can someone tell me which way is n810 better than both those products?

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Yes, well, this isn't an average consumer forum, and the poster was trying to use the comparison to evaluate the relative merits of different browser engines, not the usefulness of the comparison for the average consumer.

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Well, so what? That's a link to an average consumer site.

Just because this tiny portion of the internet space allows you to think that your statements carry weight; you're not the target audience of the site where this originated.

Per usual, you've somehow overlooked that. Simply stated; live with it.

You are just a smaller part of a bigger puzzle. Consumers are a bigger reason why better products will continue to come out after you've attached your feelings to one platform/CPU/(insert whatever) like some remora fish.

And all it takes - dear non-consumer type - is just to hear that something is faster than another thing. Consumers will flock to it. Supply, demand... features.

Something some people learn very early in life.

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I was only addressing the statement made by the OP, you extrapolated that to mean something else.

:rolleyes:

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its a good thing liqbase is targeted specifically at the maemo platform then isn't it ;)

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lol, dude I don't even know what that is!!

Pertaining General Attitude, he'll be ok. Rolleyes and sweeping statements; rather egocentric. It's just sad.

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Hmmmmm..... Ok, I will make a statement that ANY consumer can understand.

N800 -> About 200 Used
N810 -> About 300 New
Archos -> About 350 New

So, N810 is cheaper! Wow! Oh, and it has a more features, like Bluetooth, SD card slots, Real software, a keyboard, GPS, etc..... and don't have to pay for every additional feature! What a shocker!

The Archos is for playing music and watching Video. Unlike the iPhone or the N810, there will most likely never be a App Store like thing, because there is not enough demand. Apple opened up the floodgates, and now the iPhone has so many apps its amazing. The N810 was open since the start, and it too has so many apps. The Archos is a "dumb" device that will only work with what it shiped with. That is all there is to say...

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What did the article mean by

"N810's power-saving mode was enabled for these tests because it is the default setting." ?

What power saving mode?

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Actually it's pretty difficult to tell you which is better objectively. I can tell you subjectively why I think my n800 is better than the archos5 or iphone: It's more open and hackable. If you want us to help you figure out what's better for you, then you at least need to say what you plan to do with the device. Web surfing? movie watching?

-John

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she is basically saying that the cpu is set to clock back when demand is low...

dont know why she even bothered to mention tho...

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The wifi powersaving I'd guess.

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could be ondemand vs performance i suppose..
It can make quite a bit of difference.

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Yeah, that makes sense. I highly doubt it was the CPU mode...

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qole says it took about 30 seonds off the start time of open office with performance mode.
I notice great usability improvements when compiling on device and within lb.

Don't underestimate it - try it yourself with real tests outside of liqbase.

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I don't know about you guys, but since I found WorldTV99, I've found another reason not to get an Archos. :D

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Well, I just wanted to see the results for myself. Not meant to be scientific. This is on an N810 with the latest ssu. Engadget complete load times...

On-Demand: 41 seconds
Performance: 32 seconds

That's over my home wifi network, from the same location on both tests.

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Most of the timings are real crap. Here's mine: (mine (on-demand))
Amazon: 26s (26s)
CNet: 24s (32s)
Digg: 14s (36s?!)
Engadget: 36s (44s)
Google news: 11s (11s)
MicroPCTalk: 15s (20s)
Myspace: 11s (16s)
NYTimes: 13s (36s again?)
Pocketables: 21s (39s...)
Youtube: 19s (18s)

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The article doesn't seem like a real attempt at testing anything, just something to get pageviews.

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the problem is that it can be affected by adds loaded (flash, javascript), wifi signal quality at the moment (or a bothersome router/ap with no understanding for power saving signals), or just about anything else network or server related...

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I do mostly web surfing in school. I was in the Apple store few days ago, played with the itouch. The screen response was so much better than the N810. itouch is cheaper with a great gui, more memory and faster (based on this article) are the enough factors to convince me to change my device. I own Archos A2 for watching videos.

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People feel comfortable using different devices and systems.
On the desktop I prefer windows, for my handheld I like my Nokia.

The iphouch devices certainly have their skills and I take my hat off to Apple for producing such a great end user product.

However I don't see why the nokia cannot also have shinyness and speed and ways to differentiate itself from the crowd.

We have a lot of hardware on this device and features which let us do a whole lot more than the restricted locked in devices, and the next generation is looking to be even stronger.

:) I would say the future is bright for this platform, this community are innovators and we will continue to leave our mark in numerous areas for years to come.

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And the resolution / 4 ;)

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hmm, now that i think about it, i would love to see the noscript firefox plugin ported over, or something similar.

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Archos 5's Opera takes indefinitely to load local files (it refuses to do that!) :rolleyes:

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But it has an option to run local Flash Apps, no? They must be running through the browser right?

In other news, just look at some of the crap Archos pushes on you to "complete" the product:

DVR Station ($100)
DVR Snap-On (N/A)
Mini Dock ($30)
Battery Dock ($50)
GPS car holder (N/A)
Helmet Cam (N/A)
FM Remote (N/A)

and the plugins:

Cinema, Video Podcast, and HiDef Video ($30 for all of them)



Seriously, if added in the functionality of these things INTO the product, and sold it for 100 dollars more, it would be SO much better. Now, there are 4 docking solution, and a bunch of confusing stuff, that most people would be overwhelmed. And, going by the current prices and the prices for the last generation, the

DVR Dock + GPS + FM radio + Camera + Plugins = $300 or more!!!

So, if you want the full functionality, it is over $700 (with taxes)!!

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for the older Generation 5 Archos, you have to pay for the 'web' browser plugin as well:-(. However, the Archos 5 was intended to be a personal multi- media player and not a more generic device like n8xx. I bought the Archos, the web plugin, the DVR and the mini-dock, before I saw the light:-)