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rjzak 2008-11-10 13:37

XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
I'm at my office at work, on XOHM, here in McLean, VA!

Internettablettalk.com folks- can we get a XOHM/WiMax forum?

Edit: Can't get past the activation screen, but I have about 75% Xohm signal and an IP address in zipcode 22102.

Edit2: To be activated, the account page should show the device and MAC address and say active under status, right? Nothing further required after I received a receipt in my Inbox confirming my purchase? Its great to pay, then not get the service, but thats what I get I suppose for not being in a supported area.

promethh 2008-11-10 15:28

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
I'd like to second that request. Many of us Nokia N810 WiMax folks would probably like a forum to discuss XOHM-specific issues or WiMax comparisons. I've can confirm XOHM signals in Baltimore (MD), Hanover (MD), Washington (DC), and Reston (VA).

I'm still in the midst of rebuilding mine after a crash yesterday, but I'll start reporting signal strengths and bandwidth if I can.

rjzak 2008-11-10 15:36

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by promethh (Post 240798)
I've can confirm XOHM signals in ... Washington (DC), and Reston (VA).

Of those not-yet-supported places, can you use the Internet connection after activating? I seem to have chucked $10 out the window.

promethh 2008-11-10 17:59

XOHM in Washington, DC (Union Station)
 
I can now confirm:
* Washington, DC (20002)
* Reston, VA (20191)

I was connected to XOHM via my Nokia N810 WiMax at the Ebeneezers on 2nd Street. I lost my connection as I walked by the Securities & Exchange Commission towards Union Station, I walked into Union Station and upstairs to East St. Cafe. While seated and having lunch, I had a solid 2.2Mbps connection via XOHM.

XOHM might now say it's official, but it works. I'm able to use my internet connection after activating.

______________
Promethh
promethh@xohm.com
Nokia N810 WiMax Edition with XOHM
http://www.latheofdreams.com

promethh 2008-11-10 18:08

XOHM in Washington, DC
 
It might be because XOHM isn't yet official, but I've been seeing 2.2Mbps to 3.019Mbps as my connection speeds with XOHM around Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

What is the highest reported speed for downloads that Nokia N810 owners have reported?

rjzak 2008-11-10 18:32

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Is it possible I am missing something with the activation? My Xohm page shows my device and MAC address as having an active "product" (xohm for the day) yet the WiMax icon on the top bar flashes and I can't access any site other than xohm and cycling power to the device didn't work either.

Andyschism 2008-11-10 18:46

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Over in Hanover at Arundel Mills Mall, saw 1.6Mbps. Considered a Non-Coverage area and indoors. Pretty nice.

promethh 2008-11-10 19:04

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 240850)
Is it possible I am missing something with the activation? My Xohm page shows my device and MAC address as having an active "product" (xohm for the day) yet the WiMax icon on the top bar flashes and I can't access any site other than xohm and cycling power to the device didn't work either.

That's exactly the same behavior as mine, and it appears to have everything to do with the official coverage area. If you drive up to Hanover or Baltimore, it will go solid and say "Connected to XOHM". If you stay in DC or NoVA, it will flash "WiMAX" but never display "Connected to XOHM"

The XOHM account shows the Nokia N810 WiMax activation with MAC address recorded for your account. You should still be able to surf to other sites (I can: I was hitting Google, Shockwave, WashingtonPost). I even hit speakeasy.net/speedtest from mine with the flashing WiMax connection.

If you want to make it official, do a day-trip up to Baltimore to lock the connection. I'm planning on doing the same later this week since I wanted to pick up some more XOHM gear from AndySchism and then grab dinner at the Inner Harbor.

heavyt 2008-11-10 19:51

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 240783)
Internettablettalk.com folks- can we get a XOHM/WiMax forum?

I found this site http://4gforums.com/ to have a good forum on everything relating to XOHM.

promethh 2008-11-10 19:58

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Wow!

http://4gforums.com/thread6713.html

Quote:

I've been successfully using XOHM a bit in DC. Right now I'm sitting in Eastern Market and did a test on speedtest.net.

Ping: 184ms
Down: 10519
Up: 1450

I'm really pleased with those numbers, although the ping still seems rather long.
Whoa! ...Once it becomes official, I might be dumping my Verizon account and be solely a XOHM user with Skype! Keep my AT&T Wireless (3G) for when I go out of coverage?

punterjoe 2008-11-11 11:47

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Thanks for this thread guys. I have XOHM gear up here in Boston & get a very strong signal out by U.Mass. I can connect to the XOHM signup page, but can't actually signup since they're not live here yet - and apparently won't be until sometime next year. I look forward to the opportunity to actually give them some money - providing I have any left by the time they finally roll out in Boston.

rjzak 2008-11-11 13:29

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punterjoe (Post 241014)
I look forward to the opportunity to actually give them some money...

XOHM guys-- Do you hear, or rather see that? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 240850)
Is it possible I am missing something with the activation? My Xohm page shows my device and MAC address as having an active "product" (xohm for the day) yet the WiMax icon on the top bar flashes and I can't access any site other than xohm and cycling power to the device didn't work either.

And with only minutes left on my day pass for Xohm, it miraculously works now in McLean... odd.

SD69 2008-11-12 12:54

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by promethh (Post 240798)
I'd like to second that request. Many of us Nokia N810 WiMax folks would probably like a forum to discuss XOHM-specific issues or WiMax comparisons. I've can confirm XOHM signals in Baltimore (MD), Hanover (MD), Washington (DC), and Reston (VA).

I'm still in the midst of rebuilding mine after a crash yesterday, but I'll start reporting signal strengths and bandwidth if I can.

Yes, I was wondering about a forum as well. Maybe there is no forum because the wimax edition is an economic bust. (It is currently selling at only a $12 premium on buy.com.) And as a practical matter, it seems the differences compared to the N810 are straight forward.

But I would like to see a forum. If so, it should follow the existing sub-forum organization and be device focused. Make it the "WiMax edition" forum including all issues related to this tablet version rather than just service related issues.

btw, XOHM is supposedly being phased out in favor of Clearwire early next year. Hopefully, there will be no interruption of wimax service in BAL, DC, Chicago and Boston.

rjzak 2008-11-12 13:10

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241301)
btw, XOHM is supposedly being phased out in favor of Clearwire early next year. Hopefully, there will be no interruption of wimax service in BAL, DC, Chicago and Boston.

Don't you mean that the FTC is allowing Spring and Clearwire to put their eggs in one basket, so to speak? If you mean the name, I'm sure XOHM is here to stay, as Clearwire is a company name, not necessarily a service name, and Clearwire sounds so 1990's while XOHM sounds 21st century. Just a thought.

And I have to disagree about the perceived economic bustitude of the N810WE. Its an investment in a new technology (yes, new for US, pun intended, not new as in brand freaking new). And like any new technology, its a gamble. Think of all those people who dumped money on HD-DVD discs and players, and all those who invested in Blueray. WiMax may come and go, or may stay and evolve. But I for one prefer it over the UMTS/HSDPA/EVDO lot.

SD69 2008-11-12 13:45

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Don't you mean that the FTC is allowing Spring and Clearwire to put their eggs in one basket, so to speak? If you mean the name, I'm sure XOHM is here to stay, as Clearwire is a company name, not necessarily a service name, and Clearwire sounds so 1990's while XOHM sounds 21st century. Just a thought.
It's already decided by Clearwire management and Sprint can't change that. The cablecos wanted the change too. I'm not making mere speculations based on what I think the names sound like. (and Clearwire is a servicename as well.)

Quote:

And I have to disagree about the perceived economic bustitude of the N810WE. Its an investment in a new technology (yes, new for US, pun intended, not new as in brand freaking new). And like any new technology, its a gamble. Think of all those people who dumped money on HD-DVD discs and players, and all those who invested in Blueray. WiMax may come and go, or may stay and evolve. But I for one prefer it over the UMTS/HSDPA/EVDO lot.[/
Xohm is more than a year late and more than a few cities short, and the wimax edition tablets have been sitting in a warehouse somewhere (figuratively speaking) for that time. Wimax was supposed to be a key differentiator over competitors, but it didn't happen and iPhone 3G and G1 caught up in the meantime. The gamble was made two years ago and turned out the wrong way. regardless of what happens with wimax market generally, the wimax edition tablet certainly did not work out (for Nokia) like it was planned due to its dependence on Xohm.

Why are they putting HSDPA into the tablet just now and not 2 years ago? It is an acknowledgement that the wimax edition won't sell in the volumes that they need because the coverage just isn't there (and other reasons).

I was not speaking to general wimax vs. 3G and 3.5G comparisons and the future of wimax.

rjzak 2008-11-12 13:54

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Oh well, we'll see. Perhaps Nokia will drop from the bandwagon, but perhaps others like Intel will push on, at least for a little bit. It'd be really disappointing for WiMax to end up as just another technology that never reached its potential. After call, competition and consumer choice are valuable, and I hate contracts.

Mara 2008-11-12 14:00

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241311)
I(and Clearwire is a servicename as well.)

I bet that it is not... :)

Texrat 2008-11-12 14:06

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241311)
Why are they putting HSDPA into the tablet just now and not 2 years ago? It is an acknowledgement that the wimax edition won't sell in the volumes that they need because the coverage just isn't there (and other reasons).

I was not speaking to general wimax vs. 3G and 3.5G comparisons and the future of wimax.

Not exactly. There is not necessarily any connection between decisions involving wimax vs hsdpa, except for the fact that it makes sense to address different network types. It really is too early to tell with Xohm, but it is a 4G technology and one or more of such will certainly prosper. Keep in mind Nokia is equally vested in LTE technology (on the network side).

And if wimax eventually fails, the tablets designed for it can still function just as those without.

rjzak 2008-11-12 14:07

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 241320)
I bet that it is not... :)

It might be... http://www.clearwire.com/support/faqs.php.

But I'm pretty sure that XOHM is here to stay, based on http://mobileroar.com/2008/11/05/xoh...lighted-by-fcc and http://technews.am/conversations/mob...earwire_merger

And WiMax may have a chance, after all, AT&T is scarred - http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...ranoid_ab.html.

I for one as a technology enthusiast, am excited by that this could mean. AT&T can sit on it and spin.

rjzak 2008-11-12 14:09

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 241321)
Not exactly. There is not necessarily any connection between decisions involving wimax vs hsdpa, except for the fact that it makes sense to address different network types. It really is too early to tell with Xohm, but it is a 4G technology and one or more of such will certainly prosper. Keep in mind Nokia is equally vested in LTE technology (on the network side).

And if wimax eventually fails, the tablets designed for it can still function just as those without.

True, the tablet will function, and the black WiMax edition looks much better than its blue, disabled counterpart. And as for networks, I think its high time to have a wireless broadband network that is just TCP/IP and an IEEE standard, none of the voice junk tagging along (or rather hacking the voice junk to carry data).

Texrat 2008-11-12 14:12

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
There are some in the business who would love to be able to offer something like an SMS-only service, for example. Imagine music players with that. An *open* wireless IP landscape would support such things.

Mara 2008-11-12 14:52

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
I have couple questions regarding current XOHM activation. I believe this procedure is still working to activate XOHM service on new device outside Baltimore?
http://www.4ginfo.com/index.php/not-...max-modem.html

Anyone confirm if this works, especially in Dallas/Fort Worth area... ;)

Second question, if you activate service on device (USB modem in my case...) for one day service, is it forever locked to one day services? (What I'm trying to do is to test XOHM first using one day services... and if it works good then I want to change the plan to monthly service.)

Andyschism 2008-11-12 15:02

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 241332)
Second question, if you activate service on device (USB modem in my case...) for one day service, is it forever locked to one day services? (What I'm trying to do is to test XOHM first using one day services... and if it works good then I want to change the plan to monthly service.)

Is it locked forever? No. There are no contracts, nothing is "locked".

Secondly you say you want to test the service first and then change the plan. This is entirely possible, just call customer care. 1866-XOHM-123 (1866-9646-123).

SD69 2008-11-12 15:10

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 241322)
It might be... http://www.clearwire.com/support/faqs.php.

But I'm pretty sure that XOHM is here to stay, based on http://mobileroar.com/2008/11/05/xoh...lighted-by-fcc and http://technews.am/conversations/mob...earwire_merger

And WiMax may have a chance, after all, AT&T is scarred - http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...ranoid_ab.html.

I for one as a technology enthusiast, am excited by that this could mean. AT&T can sit on it and spin.

This is frustrating. I am trying to educate you and you point to off-the-mark links from bloggers who are themselves just regurgitating FCC news. If you are interested, I suggest you go back and read industry reports at the time the Clearwire JV was announced. Pay attention to the cablecos that made the deal happen and you will understand (I think).

As a user and technology enthusiast, I am right there with you with my hopes for wimax networks in the future. And explaining why I hope the wimax edition tablet will work on some wimax network other than XOHM.

rjzak 2008-11-12 15:17

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241345)
This is frustrating. I am trying to educate you and you point to off-the-mark links from bloggers who are themselves just regurgitating FCC news. If you are interested, I suggest you go back and read industry reports at the time the Clearwire JV was announced. Pay attention to the cablecos that made the deal happen and you will understand (I think).

As a user and technology enthusiast, I am right there with you with my hopes for wimax networks in the future. And explaining why I hope the wimax edition tablet will work on some wimax network other than XOHM.

Where could I find the reports of the Clearwire JV, and yes, the WE tablet seems to be WiMax network-agnostic, as long as its on the 2.5 GHz. I can't confirm that, but the UI leads to that conclusion (for example, you can add a wimax network to the list of connections, which wouldn't make sense if XOHM was the only one).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 241332)
I have couple questions regarding current XOHM activation. I believe this procedure is still working to activate XOHM service on new device outside Baltimore?
http://www.4ginfo.com/index.php/not-...max-modem.html

Anyone confirm if this works, especially in Dallas/Fort Worth area... ;)

Second question, if you activate service on device (USB modem in my case...) for one day service, is it forever locked to one day services? (What I'm trying to do is to test XOHM first using one day services... and if it works good then I want to change the plan to monthly service.)

You can activate in one area (say, for a daily plan) and then activate the device again when the daily plan expires but in another area. I have activated for a daily plan in Baltimore, then 2 weeks later activated for 2 more daily plans in Northern VA. Plus, the activation doesn't do anything to the tablet, it only associates your MAC address with money :)

SD69 2008-11-12 15:35

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 241347)
Where could I find the reports of the Clearwire JV, and yes, the WE tablet seems to be WiMax network-agnostic, as long as its on the 2.5 GHz. I can't confirm that, but the UI leads to that conclusion (for example, you can add a wimax network to the list of connections, which wouldn't make sense if XOHM was the only one).

I would start with multichannel news, then try light reading. I don't recall whether my information is from a public source or a subscription or other non-public soure so I can't be sure what you will find. You want to look for reports after the cablecos invested and how the final deal got done.

I don't have a wimax edition tablet (yet), but will probably get one just because I don't even have a N810. Unfortunately, the 2.5 GHz limitation is a significant one as that spectrum is scarce.

rjzak 2008-11-12 15:37

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241352)
Unfortunately, the 2.5 GHz limitation is a significant one as that spectrum is scarce.

Agreed, since there are WiMax networks elsewhere in the US and abroad that use 3.2 & 3.5 GHz. But it seems there aren't any multi-frequency WiMax chips... yet.

Andyschism 2008-11-12 17:07

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 241353)
Agreed, since there are WiMax networks elsewhere in the US and abroad that use 3.2 & 3.5 GHz. But it seems there aren't any multi-frequency WiMax chips... yet.

What are the services that are running the 3.2 and 3.5 ghz range? Have you done a test run on their service?

Mister Ecua 2008-11-12 17:55

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Hey,

Sorry to jump into this a little late and be off (on) topic but In the last past week and a half, XOHM's signal has expanded in the DC Area. I actually can't wait till the official announce for this month (since I have been paying for xohm for about a month already and can never get steady reception). About 3 weeks ago I drove around DC, NOVA, PG County MD and Montgomery County MD.

Starting in MD, in most of southern PG County (as far as Clinton) I was receiving at least half bar reception. Up towards Hyattsville, the signal was strong and as long as I was in that area, I wasn't booted (dropped) from the network. There seems to be a big dead spot in the Langely Park & Tokoma Park areas. When Getting closer to DC (Capitol Heights and Landover area) the signal seems to weaken very much so.

DC is another story, I live Georgetown and work in Farragut West, reception seems to be a hit and miss situation in the middle and bottom of NW. In the SW area (except for around the water front) I received no reception. I tend to stay away from NE and SE for reasons Washingtonians would know lol.

NOVA seems to be booming, especially in Arlington. In Rosslyn and Ballston, I get a full on signal w/o being dropped =) Going out towards Alexandria and Springfield, the signal strength seems to fade, the greatest reception I got was in Old Towne and that was at half strength. Going outside of I-495, I went up to Woodbridge and got no reception at all (hmm...) I have heard reports that XOHM is available in Sterling all the out to Fredricksburg, that's pretty exciting.

Now, if we can just get that official announcement, I'd be one happy guy!

Andyschism 2008-11-12 19:47

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
@Mister Ecua

Awesome post! I'm just as excited as you are!

Promethh has been keeping me updated daily on his adventures into WiMAX.

Post more info lets get speed tests! What device are you using?

gonzo1082 2008-11-12 20:21

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
don't mean to change the topic but i'm trying to connect to wimax here in portland, OR. i'm reading it's available for testing but i'm wondering how i'd be able to connect or even check if there's wimax availability in my location. i tried creating a new connection under connectivity settings and i select wimax, after a long search it doesn't find anything. any other way to connect to wimax?

Andyschism 2008-11-12 20:58

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
I wonder if they are testing the WiMAX system like they are doing in these other areas or are they close testing it?

What device are you using to try to connect?

From my understanding that would be Clearwires area as well. Awaiting a reply!

gonzo1082 2008-11-12 21:13

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
I'm pretty positive some other cities are testing, i'm wondering if the n810 would be able to detect the wimax networks sort of like detecting wifi networks?

Mister Ecua 2008-11-12 22:10

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andyschism (Post 241430)
@Mister Ecua

Awesome post! I'm just as excited as you are!

Promethh has been keeping me updated daily on his adventures into WiMAX.

Post more info lets get speed tests! What device are you using?

Doing a speed test would have been a good idea lol. I'm always on the move so I can keep upadating until we officially launch. Is www.speedtest.net pretty accurate?

Oh, and I have an N810 WiMAX Edition...

Mister Ecua 2008-11-12 22:15

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo1082 (Post 241462)
I'm pretty positive some other cities are testing, i'm wondering if the n810 would be able to detect the wimax networks sort of like detecting wifi networks?

That is correct, I picked up a wimax signal in New Haven, CT the other day.

The N810 can sniff out WiMAX networks (XOHM only I presume or whatever frequency XOHM is running on). If your in a test area, you may be able to join for a short period of time before getting booted, to stay on, you MAC address has to be registered as a tester.

SD69 2008-11-12 22:44

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 241353)
Agreed, since there are WiMax networks elsewhere in the US and abroad that use 3.2 & 3.5 GHz. But it seems there aren't any multi-frequency WiMax chips... yet.

There are multi-band chips sampling now. Nextwave and Fujitsu are two...

http://rfdesign.com/next_generation_...-modules-0618/

Mister Ecua 2008-11-12 22:46

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241484)
There are multi-band chips sampling now. Nextwave and Fujitsu are two...

http://rfdesign.com/next_generation_...-modules-0618/


Now that is something I would like to see in the "N900".

Andyschism 2008-11-13 16:15

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Ecua (Post 241472)
Doing a speed test would have been a good idea lol. I'm always on the move so I can keep upadating until we officially launch. Is www.speedtest.net pretty accurate?

Oh, and I have an N810 WiMAX Edition...

Yeah I would say Speedtest.net is pretty accurate, if you can load it. Is there a mobile speed test site? Maybe: http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1

SD69 2008-11-13 19:26

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Ecua (Post 241472)
Doing a speed test would have been a good idea lol. I'm always on the move so I can keep upadating until we officially launch. Is www.speedtest.net pretty accurate?

Oh, and I have an N810 WiMAX Edition...

Please also post if the signal drops as you move around from one antenna area to the next and you have to reconnect. WiMax has been described as a "citywide hotspot", but it seems that Sprint needed more antenna sites than expected. A signal drop is really harmful when trying to use VoIP (even if it reconnects quickly).

Andyschism 2008-11-13 20:16

Re: XOHM in McLean, Virginia (Greensboro Road)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 241762)
Please also post if the signal drops as you move around from one antenna area to the next and you have to reconnect. WiMax has been described as a "citywide hotspot", but it seems that Sprint needed more antenna sites than expected. A signal drop is really harmful when trying to use VoIP (even if it reconnects quickly).

The only stable areas at this moment are going to be Baltimore City for mobile devices (based on coverage maps from XOHM).

Most of the posters (Mister Ecua, Gonzo1082, Promethh, PunterJoe) are in test areas, and I would hope they are in the understanding as such.


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