Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

I saw that there was a really old thread about Nokia buying Symbian, and I didn't want to grave-rob that thread. Violating Forum ettique on your first post is not that smart. :) But I did want to see what you thought about that in light of the new N97 flagship running that OS. I mean, with a 3.5 touchscreen, it could have easily ran Maemo, but Nokia went with Symbian.

Does that spell trouble for the future of Maemo? Do you think the next Internet Tablet will run Symbian instead of Maemo?

Also I read that some people think the next tablet from Nokia will be 10 inches. I wouldn't mind if Nokia came out with a 10 inch tablet, something like a touchscreen netbook... But I hope the pocketable forum factor continues.

I had and loved a N800 for a while, but had to sell it a few months back. And whenever I can, I plan on getting another N--- series tablet. That little thing plus a fold-up BT keyboard was one of best devices I've ever used!

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Most of their phones run Symbian, certainly the more advanced ones, so I wouldn't read anything into this choice.

I can't see that happening at all. These are supposed to be portable internet enabled devices, they will remain pocketably small (n810 or n800 size) I believe.

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Officially, there is no "next Internet Tablet". There's an upcoming Maemo 5 device that won't be an "Internet Tablet".

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How sad... I much love the idea of an internet tablet.

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if nokia releases 10inch tablet, i will surely not buy it. (too easy to scratch the screen accidentally)
I really dont believe nokia will replace Maemo with symbian on tablets... no way...

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For those of you speculating/worrying about what will "replace" what, this might be of interest:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...228#post246228

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Apparently Nokia will be using Maemo on it's luxury phones:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/techn...kia-linux.html

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As much as i love both my n810 and Maemo, i will always prefer S60. Its just so easy to become a really advanced user of S60!

Despite all the time I put into it, and it is quite a lot, I am still not great with Maemo. It takes me hours to sovle simple problems. And the "linux geek" crowd might be great free 3rd party software, but its very intimidating... even to geeks!

I think its disgusting the way people in this forum abuse newbies for things like posting questions that have been asked before. But that kind of arrogance and elitism is rife within every linux community I've come in contact with.

And S60 is just so much simpler. You never need to use the terminal, gain any roots or take red pills to get stuff working. It just works!

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oh well we will have iPhone running Linux

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2...ingontheiphone

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Yes, except when it doesn't work. Someday I will write in some place my experiences with S60 and my expensive N95-2. Some pearls: the Gallery takes 30 seconds in opening, or every X time (periodically) my 3G connections doesn't work, I have restart all settings several times to do it works again.

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Hi Daniel, sorry for hijacking the thread but your remark rang a bell.

All too often my E51 stops accepting BT connections from my tablet or laptop for 3G tethering. Up to now I just rebooted the phone, but it's a drag. Do you know of a better solution, or can you point me to a forum where I could look for information ?
TIA,
fpp

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Either take the phone into offline profile and then get back to your profile, or quickly switch BT off and on again.

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With Symbian becoming POSIX-compatible (via PIPS) and offering standard libraries for C/C++ (via S60 OpenC/OpenC++) and Qt being available on both Symbian and Maemo, maybe we'll see some sort of cross-platform SDKs in the future?

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Maybe an Internet Tablet running Symbian. That'd be neat. Isn't supposed to be Open Source by now, or soon?

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Thanks for the tip ! I had already tried the latter to no avail, will try the former next time (shouldn't be long :-).

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I wouldn't want the pocket tablets to be discontinued, but a 9" 1280x800 tablet (Linux, ARM CPU, solid state, etc) sounds pretty good, too.

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

Don't read too much into the name change.

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I read 2010, but don't have source. In any case it takes a lot of time to open source a big project such as Symbian. Just like it took Sun Microsystems a long time to open source Java. Its a lot of code, and this requires a lot of time from experts to review.

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Bzzt.

First of all, Maemo is not mentioned anywhere in that article. It is about Linux and open source software.

Second, there are quotes from a Nokia representative in there. They do not indicate what you say, nor do they indicate certainity.

The reporter writes: [...] could start to use open-source Linux software on its more expensive phone models. It doesn't say Linux kernel. It says Linux software. Resumee, it clearly says could. And last but not least, it is not a direct quote and therefore holds little value, if any. It might as well be the conclusion of the reporter based on what he observed.

What you state with as much certainity as it seems is simply not a given!

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Quote in article from Ukko Lappalainen, vice president at Nokia's markets unit:

"I don't see anything in Android which would make it better than Linux maemo," Lappalainen said.

Notice he said Linux MAEMO

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I also said "apparently" which does NOT indicate certainty.

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You're correct, there he said Linux maemo. Not properly capitalized. But ok.

Here he did not say (Linux) Maemo: "In the longer perspective, Linux will become a serious alternative for our high-end phones," Ukko Lappalainen, vice president at Nokia's markets unit, told Reuters in an interview on the sidelines of the "Nokia World" industry conference.

And, apparently does not cast enough doubt. Its used to cover your ***. See this thread for a better title: "Nokia eyes wider use of Linux software in phones"

There are no plans known to make Maemo for a (smart)phone. Maemo already supports VoIP/SIP though.

Next time when you report about news be sure you report accurate. Kthxbyepeace.

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I can't see Nokia wanting to keep three teams active: maemo + gtk, S60 and QT. They will almost certainly be studying them in detail to see what can be merged.

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Because there's some Linux software that's not the kernel? Only if you take Linux software to mean "software compiled for Linux" -- then I guess they could use FreeBSD with Linux binary compatibility. Or, more likely, they'd run it with a Linux kernel.

Considering the absence of other Linux-binary-compatible platforms in use by Nokia, and the comparison of Android to "Linux maemo", I'd agree that that article makes it "apparent" (though not certain) that Maemo or a direct successor will be used on high-end phones.

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Because there are tons of initiatives to get Linux on the (smart)phone and tablet.

There are more Linux initiatives at Nokia. Think about Trolltech. Greenphone, for example. GPE, Qtopia Embedded. Do you believe Trolltech would not want to see Qtopia more in use?

Please read the article again carefully. Some of his statements are about Linux in general, not specific about Nokia.

Reasonably one is not able to conclude all what is said is about Maemo specifically, and if you know about some plans (the newest tablet won't do WWAN voice, only data) and the future (WiMax, LTE rolled out, Qt wider adopted, Symbian open source) you know already a lot. A reasonable conclusion is not _necessarily_ a Linux Maemo phone.

Necessarily is my point.

But ehm, to put this into perspective some recent screenshots [s]leaked[/s] as seen in presentation by a Nokia VP, and its been said these were of a prototype of Maemo interface. It looked very much like the N97 to me, and it also looked like a phone to me.

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What leaked screenshots are you referring to?

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The 2 or 3 in this thread. With leaked I didn't refer to unofficially leaked. Wrong word for it, my bad.

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Sorry for being picky, but those slides are being spread as if they were leaked, when actually they belong to presentations of top Nokia executives publicly available at investors.nokia.com.

I guess "leaked" brings more visits and comments to a blog than "Vice-President". :)

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

I don't agree, I have had 3 symbian phones : 3650, 6680, E70, they work OK but have to be restarted after 1-2 days use because the OS becomes unstable (3G connection does not work), some apps won't start and the browser is limited (no flash support and shows only stripped 'mobile' or WAP versions of some sites) and limited video support as well.
So Maemo is MUCH better !

But, compared to Windows Mobile Symbian is more stable.

Re: Symbian on N97 & the future of Maemo & the N**0 Internet Tablets
 

You're basing your conclusing on devices that are between well over 2 and 5 years old - there have been like 2 hardware generations and 3 software revisions between the E70 and now, so your conclusions aren't really all that valid nowadays...

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My E51 is not so old, and it still needs to be rebooted often for 3G and BT tethering...