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Bundyo 2009-01-13 16:15

Nokia Web Runtime
 
http://ajaxian.com/archives/nokia-we...ugin-available

The web is going increasingly mobile lately :)

Jaffa 2009-01-13 19:51

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Aha! That's it. It's not off-topic, BTW, as they've announced it for Maemo too, for example:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forum Nokia
The maemo platform currently offers a native C runtime for developers complemented by officially supported C++ bindings. A complete set of Python bindings are provided by the community, and the runtime will be officially supported by Nokia during 2008. Web runtime with Mozilla Gecko engine and Flash 9 will also be implemented in 2008. Mono, Java and Ruby runtimes are provided by the maemo community, among others.

http://www.forum.nokia.com/Resources...ms/Maemo.xhtml

Of course, it says it'll be delivered in 2008. Ho hum.

More links:
Interestingly, the interview with konttori seems to suggest we already have it. So, I expect it's been aborted :-(

sjgadsby 2009-01-13 20:26

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 257301)
...it says it'll be delivered in 2008.

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So, I expect it's been aborted
Could it have been built for Elephanta and now been shifted to Fremantle?

chlettn 2009-01-13 21:08

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
I don't think Nokia would cancel this - after all, it provides developers with a fairly easy way to create apps that work for both Symbian and Maemo devices. Makes too much sense to just be abandoned I'd say.

Bundyo 2009-01-13 21:22

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
It probably isn't abandoned, only late...

konttori 2009-01-13 21:23

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
The infra is actually in place. You should be able to get timeless to help you guys setup a wrt applet for home screen. The support is there for pretty much all forms of wrt plugins. Basically point being that the applets are using the browser daemon to do the rendering and then push the content to the applet. Anyway should be relatively easyish to do once you know what buttons to push / what code to write.

Bundyo 2009-01-13 21:24

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Aaargh, didn't expect this type of runtime :)

hns 2009-01-13 21:58

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Web widgets are nice, but what I really miss on the tablet is the ability to embed a (hildonized) browser component in applications written in high level languages such as Python. Currently it is possible to compile and use libgtkmozembed for maemo, but that results in a non-hildonized browser component (no drag-scrolling, no on-screen keyboard for html forms).

Any chance Nokia is going to support that in the upcoming release? Should I file a bug for it?

I'm sorry if I'm hijacking this thread here, but it's an issue that has bugging me for some time now, and I never knew exactly where to turn to - the Maemo bugzilla, the browser guys, or the PyMaemo folks :o

Khertan 2009-01-13 22:39

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
It s a bit like Palm Pre with his html5 local storage and webkit.

Jaffa 2009-01-13 22:54

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Agreed with many of the points above, I view Nokia's Web Runtime technology as a precursor to Palm's webOS development environment (from what little we know of it) and similar to Apple's Dashboard widgets; Microsoft's Vista widgets etc.

Hopefully it'll make a proper arrival in fremantle (and was, as sjgadsby says, targetted for elephanta). Hopefully webOS will also raise the game for writing relatively large apps in these multi-platform, runtime technologies.

@kontorri: certainly it wouldn't be hard to use a GtkMozEmbed or equivalent in a home applet (I suppose); but is the technology in place, in Diablo, for running Nokia Web Runtime widgets (or whatever the term is), using a similar/same API as the S60 variant?

qole 2009-01-13 23:04

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
I notice that prism is available in the Ubuntu repositories. It isn't exactly embedded, but it is a stripped-down browser window designed for web apps...

Bundyo 2009-01-13 23:37

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
browserd is running all the time... That's actually the point.

qole 2009-01-13 23:43

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Thanks, Bundyo. Of course.

I'd hit the "Thanks" button, but you mistakenly thought this was an off-topic thread.

Bundyo 2009-01-14 00:04

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
It is off-topic ;) I don't see web runtime widely adopted at least on the current tablets. Web widgets are heavy no matter if the daemon is running all the time or not.

Khertan 2009-01-14 05:20

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Bundyo, i think it s doable on current device,take a look at webkit. The result is more and more better on our device.

konttori 2009-01-14 06:09

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Well, you can ask more directly from timeless, but the infra should be in place to be able to handle yahoo, nokia, dashboard, google and some other widgets as well. I think the missing component is the widget installer (which should be pretty easy to make if you know what to do - ask timeless).

qgil 2009-01-14 08:32

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
"Web Runtime" is one of those terms that might tell different things to different people. As an example, for S60 it means http://www.s60.com/life/thisiss60/s6...res/webruntime

Quote:

Originally Posted by hns (Post 257344)
Any chance Nokia is going to support that in the upcoming release?

Please define "that".

Quote:

Should I file a bug for it?
It always helps to have a focused dialog and get a convenient notification as soon as it's officially resolved.

By the way, have you tried asking about a possible Maemo Web Runtime to your preferred Internet search engine?

Dienyddio 2009-01-14 09:12

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Interesting stuff...

Just for fun i pointed my N810 at http://widsets.mobi/library it's not what you would call functional but you can get something showing up on the home screen.

Now to work out how to uninstall these things...

Jaffa 2009-01-14 10:46

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 257453)
"Web Runtime" is one of those terms that might tell different things to different people. As an example, for S60 it means http://www.s60.com/life/thisiss60/s6...res/webruntime

And this is what we're talking about here. "Web Runtime" in the Nokia trademarkey sense.

Quote:

By the way, have you tried asking about a possible Maemo Web Runtime to your preferred Internet search engine?
Yes, see the links above. Most relevant are the Forum Nokia and Urho's interview ones.

qgil 2009-01-14 12:43

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Those of you interested on what comes next should have a look to http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo more frequently. At the moment there is a position open for a (Senior) SW Engineer, Web Runtime SDK.

Of course this is no guarantee of having such runtime in an official release but if there are positions open...

Khertan 2009-01-14 16:39

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
héhé :)

Still in your office ? not in teleworking , right ?

namtastic 2009-01-18 18:22

Re: Nokia Web Runtime
 
Hah, uninstalling the .wgz... that's a very good question


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