N810 vs anything else?
 

So after losing my N800 for 3 weeks I've given up on looking for it. I'm looking to buy a replacement. Currently I'm stuck between an N810 and an iPod Touch. I've always preferred anything Nokia over Apple but the ipod touch is in a field of its own. It just looks and feels too good.

I mainly used the tablet for messaging over Pidgin and surfing the web. I used to have a Zune for music but I sold that. I'm in need of a moderately priced device that can play music very well, has a good internet browser (WebKit), and messaging capabilities. The last two point towards the N810 but when I throw in the music player I'm stuck leaning toward the ipod.

Is there possibly something like an open source ipod touch? Or maybe a miniature N810?

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A used N800? They're regularly available, and not too spendy...

I don't really know of any other devices that fit what you're looking for.

Anyway, if you can, you might want to hold off till summer; either the Pandora (if/when it hits production...) or the RX-51 should blow the doors off any currently available device.

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i'm with you, the audio output of the n800 isn't very nice at all. i get loots of digital noise when i plug a decent set of headphones in. now i carry my old ipod mini for music, n800 for notes and net, and an old phone. i'm still waiting for one device that can perform all 3 functions. might be the next nokia tablet or maybe the palm pre?

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I'd look at the GiiNii Mini Movit (Android non-phone device). Unless you want the WWAN, in which case: look at the G1 if you want a keyboard, or wait for the imminent G2 (supposedly based on the HTC Sapphire 2.0) if you don't. (unfortunately, there isn't a "data only plan" for the G1, so you can't ONLY use it as a data device)

It's not going to be the best PMP, but then, I don't think of the NITs when I think of media players, so everyone who gets all up in arms about media capabilities just sounds silly to me (if you want a PMP, get something like an Archos, not a new NIT).

It's not going to be the best game machine. If you want that, look at OpenPandora or a PSP.

Android is, however, a good, solid, generalist platform that happens to be open source. You don't get an xterm for accessing it's linux layer, but there are things like SSH and VNC clients for it, so you can access the shell of some other linux/unix box if you want. And there's already a fairly nice application ecosystem for Android.

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The next tablet will have significantly better audio output. It's using one of TI's high-end headphone amps.

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ooh, that sounds nice. me going to find information on the next nit...

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Here's some.

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The iPhone doesn't support multi tasking. If you chat, you can't do anything else. And if you do anything else, you get logged out of chat - makes it not really an Internet device - more like a glitzy one-trick-pony.

Android at least supports background "services" and chat programs take advantage of that.

The Internet Tablet is basically full-fledged Linux PC, so no limitations (although maybe also the least polished of these three)

Martin

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lol. All this talk about the new tablet is driving me up a wall. I so want one! ^_^;;

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If you bring this up on an Apple forum the reply will be variations on "why ever would you want to do two things at once?".

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Well, you might consider buying a used N810 - you get keyboard and GPS and all the goodies (I am sure you know all of them). In fact right at this moment I have one available - my own used N810 :-)

All this talk of the RX-51 makes me think of selling off my N810 (or how else do I justify a new device to my wifey ?)

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By giving her the N810? Or more realistically, by buying her the RX-51. ;)

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I'm not sure what "digital noise" is. I don't hear anything like this, but I don't use very expensive headphones. Is there an educational link you can point me to that would explain what the problem is here?

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Sorry, I don't have any links. I just know that when I plug my Sony MDR-V6 headphones in (63 Ohm impedance), the buzzing is intelorable, not to mention the loud click that occurs when a track is starting or finishing. It sounds ok with cheaper 16 Ohm headphones, but the clicking is still there, and it doesn't sound as nice and detailed as the iPod's audio output (to my ears anyway).

Does anyone else notice this?

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Good thinking General !
She does already have a N800 - but a trade-up is worth it for a RX-51.

I do thing your "more realistic" idea will actually work, but I would rather do it the other way around (selfish bastard that I am):D

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Don't do it, dude. Swap with her right now. You didn't mentioned she already had an n800. Did you? Make sure to do all the little spead-ups for her new n810 to keep her happy. And then repeat after me, "The RX-51 is mine!."

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Through Sony MDR-7506 headphones, yes. Like the MDR-V6s, they're unusually revealing headphones though, and I didn't buy my Internet tablets expecting them to provide pristine audio. The headphone out is good enough for use with less expensive headphones while I work in the yard or whatnot, so I'm happy.

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Then find some expensive phones that are 16 or 32 Ohms? ;) I'm using some cheap phones from woot with my N800; going from memory, I think they're ARE05s: 32 Ohm impedance and 16mm drivers. Even at full volume, I can barely hear any noise when the output is active, but playing silence.

As for the click, I do hear a slight click (not really annoying, but definitely noticeable, at full volume) when the output is enabled or disabled, but not between tracks. (The output only seems to be disabled after about 2 seconds, so even if your media player opens and closes it between each track, it wouldn't trigger this click.) I think what you're hearing may be either lack of complete gapless playback, if your tracks are back-to-back (there's a number of partial implementations, as well as completely naive non-gapless approaches.), or just a plain bug (if it happens even on tracks with complete silence at both ends).

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the perfect device would have to run android. I'm considering an Archos 5 but it's a bit expensive for me at the moment. There are signs of iPod touch Linux so I might get that and just wait until it happens.

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according to http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...ovit_mini.html the mini movit is supposed to sell for 150 dollars! That is insane, if that is true im getting one.

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Which is what early MacOS and Windows proponents used to say before they had true pre-emptive multi-tasking.

Once Windows had it, they raved about it like it was their innovation. With the Mac, they at least acknowledged they had inherited it from their new unix core. But either way, it went from "not necessary" to "proof that they're on a modern OS, and how could any platform do without it?"

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What if the new ITT will cost about $700, will you guys still buy it?

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I would pay $700 if the new ITT had a decent GPS, Skype with video or at least video conferencing from ITT to desktop computer.

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My max is €300 / $400. Would be an Interesting question for a poll b.t.w.

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So you guys are considering buying the site off Reggie? $700 sounds a little low, honestly.

More seriously, a what if is all well and good, but Nokia prices themselves right out of the market if the push $700. We know that, they know that. It wont be that expensive.

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LOL! you right, its IT not ITT!

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I don't suppose there's been any indications when the new IT is coming out?My poor old 8250 phone is on the way out, and my iPod mini is too, N800 still going strong. I was thinking of getting an iPhone to combine the functionality of all three (don't hit me), but if there's a new internet tablet coming soonish, I might hold off a while...

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Summer 2009 is a safe bet.

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If it were 770 sized with hard case, GPS, and new fancy processor with more memory, yes.

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At $700, it'd be real hard to justify, but depending how scarce Pandoras continue to be, I just might.

There's competing platforms in that price range (refurbed U820 comes to mind), but not with comparable mobility. $500 or so seems more likely, and at that price I'm almost certain to.

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$700.00? Probably but not happily.

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It would depend on what I got with $700.

As I've said elsewhere, what I want are two devices:

1) Pocketable that must be both a full phone, and an internet device; must be open source, preferably linux based.

2) Netbook size device (7" - 9" display, no bigger 10" long and 8" wide)

So, it has to fill one of those roles. I don't expect Nokia to jump into the netbook market, so that leaves a linux based phone. I don't expect the next generation NIT device to fit that role either (primarily because they haven't announced phone support yet) ... but ...

If it was the size of an N810 (screen and overall device), the format of the N97 (but with a 5 row keyboard, and dpad on the face), full phone functionality (quadband GSM, hopefully AT&T and T-Mobile-USA WCDMA, non-VOIP/non-SIP voice calls, SMS, MMS), Maemo for the OS and Linux types apps, Dalvik for Android apps and capabilities, SyncML clients for calendar and contacts (with integration between Maemo and Dalvik for those things), compatibility with redfly, video out (not just TV, but also DVI-I), USB Host+OTG, USB client (data and charging), MicroSDHC card slot, and the ability to act as the phone side of a tethering pair for BT DUN, BT PAN, USB, and Wifi tethering. And, ideally, with two SIM cards that you can use simultaneously. All of that, plus what we already know the next gen will have.

If it had all of that, I'd probably be willing to go past $700. Maybe even to $1000. Maybe a little higher, but not a lot.

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i think i read the n97 will be about 550eur or 700usd. I'd pay that for the same hardware as the n97 running maemo software. Come to think of it, why don't the use the same hardware for maemo and s60 devices, it would cut development time wouldn't it? It would also mean we'd get a phone in our internet tablets!

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heh, i know someone that ended up pulling something similar over a feature phone.

he was saying that a phone should only do two things, calls and messages. but then he got one of the walkman series phones, and then could not stop praising the idea of a phone with a audio player...

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$700 is too much. Add in the data plan, and damn.... That's a lot of $$$.

Seriously, if it was $700, I would expect something rivaling a $400 netbook in terms of specs, with a LONG battery life.

Im waiting for the next gen of devices (G2, IPhone 2, Pre, RX-51) to mature. Nokia Tablets have always been ahead of the curve, and that's not always a good thing (aka the # of people with a N800 vs iPhone). Early adopters curse I guess...

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Well, for the most part, they basically are, but S60 and Maemo fill two very different roles, so they can't be 100% similar without changing the way one or the other works (the RX-51 is going to be much better hardware than the N97, anyway).

That said, Nokia has recently hinted at having the choice between Linux and Symbian on their higher-end smartphones at some point in the future, so we'll see.