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N810 as a phone
I've recently canceled my cellular service and have been looking for a neat alternative. What could grant me more mobility than a house phone but still not be a cell phone? Originally I thought of basic netgear or belkin skype phones but then I saw the Nokia N810 w/skype. Does the N810 have the right stuff? :cool: If so/not, why?
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I use my N800 as my primary phone with a SIP number. it allows me the ability to receive calls whenever i am in a wifi network that doesn't block me (at the library my SIP does not sign on). the only issues i have had are the occasional echo and a delay that seems to happen fairly frequently. there are a ton of SIP services that can be used with RTComm Beta. Hope this helps.
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See if your local Walmart has one.
If not, perhaps post your location, and one of the friendly forum members will let you fondle their n810s. |
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Is there anywhere I can find a list of which work on the 810 and how they compare to each other? Which do you use? |
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I use both the Gizmo/SIP client with GrandCentral (for free calls anywhere in USA/Canada), and Skype (for cheap calls worldwide). Skype is also very satisfactory for VoIP. One advantage is that it tends to be harder to block; it can sneak through most firewalls etc. Another of the cool things Skype can do is multi-person conferencing. The N8x0 makes a nice speakerphone, too. Set it in the middle of the table with the speakers cranked up and you and the family can all talk to Grandma.
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I wish my experience were so good with Skype. I find that it's GREAT Skype-to-Skype but is substantially worse than pure Skype or pure telephone-to-telephone when calling a regular telephone. I get dropouts, echo, delay, etc. When it's Skype-to-Skype, it's actually better than phone-to-phone quality. None of this is specific for the Tablet; I find it the same using my laptop.
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I find Skype's Skype-to-phone quality varies dramatically on location of the phone being called. Calls to Europe are beautiful, calls to Canada are mediocre. I think it is the POTS that Skype uses in North America; cheap and crappy.
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I'm in the process of having my old cell number ported to gizmo5-then I'll cancel my cell. Where I live optimum cable co. gives wifi for free eveywhere if you use them for home internet.
I started with skype but the app for the n810 doesn't match up to the gizmo app. I'm hoping that google buys skype so I could use it on an android tablet in the near future XD |
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I use Gizmo SIP with the built-in Internet Call application. I also have an Asterisk server at home that enables me to dial in using a local number, obtain a dialtone,, and then dial out using my Gizmo account. This allows me to make long distance calls from my cellphone without incurring cellular long distance charges. When the Maemo5 device arrives, I'll likely drop the cell altogether..
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I already have RTCOMM and a SIP phone # via Gizmo. when I make a call my gizmo account balance drops. Am on wifi already.....how do I set this up??? What's up with Grandcentral??? I requested a account 4 months ago??? |
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i use the default sip client on the n810 quite happily with sip service from both teliax and junction networks and my office asterisk server. i like having a little more control than gizmo or skype allows.
call quality is good, a little echo sometimes but much of voip has that depending on your connection. i think the speakerphone of the n810 is actually one of the best i have used for voip. it also helps with some more restrictive wifi spots if you setup one of your sip accounts to use nat and stun but if tghey block everything but 80, not much yhou can do. |
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last time i was at tiger direct in raleigh nc, they had n810s, isnt there a tiger in florida somewhere
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How about DECT 6.0? I Have a wireless head set that can connect to a DECT 6.0 phone. Any body have a clue what kind off wireless technology this use? am thinkin a N810 should be able to do the same. any ideas???? this way i could use my house phone on my tablet. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECT#DECT_6.0 You can use Bluetooth headset with tablet I believe |
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Paired with VOIP (SIP) the N8x0 works pretty well as a phone.
Now I'm traveling in Finland and use N810 exclusively to call home and relatives using hotel free WiFi. Call quality is very good, if not excellent. I do use the N810 as speakerphone and it is very good, as was already pointed out earlier in this thread. As a second application, my mom was planning to get a laptop with 3G USB dongle to get internet access while not home... Since she already has a N810 I told that they can just buy a 3G capable phone and a new voice plan with data. They do not need a laptop anymore. So that happened last weekend, we bought her a phone (Nokia 6220 Classic, pretty nice phone!) and cheap voice plan with unlimited data (cheapest/slowest 384kb/s). It paired with N810 flawlessly. Now we have made some VoIP test calls and it works fine. However, there is some problems in one area which is at the edge (no pun intended...) of the 3G coverage area where it drops to EDGE... then the upstream data speed is a bit too low for acceptable voice quality. But the nice thing is that the phone can be placed next to the window where it can pick the 3G/3.5G (HSDPA in this case) network signal while the N810 is connected via Bluetooth and few meters away... So in this sense the separate phone solution is a lot better than a USB dongle that would need to be hard wired to the laptop. Also, I was also able to share her internet with my N810 as well. (But of course it didn't work at the same time... I tried... :D) |
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How well does the N810 work as a phone (via SIP or whatever) when held against the ear as a normal phone? Where is the microphone, in other words, which way up should it be held?
If I was going to use this thing as a phone I would prefer to hold it to my face like a normal phone rather than use a headset or as a speaker phone. |
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Thanks. So not really is a great position if holding the device up to the face, I guess. Let's hope the new hardware is better is this respect.
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It doesnt really matter where the mic is positioned. The pickup from the tiny mic is great on the N810 and even if I just place it on a table I can talk from across the small room and my voice is still audible clearly to the other users.
So if you hold it to your ear, it wont make any difference at all if the hole is nearer or a few inches away from your face. It doesnt matter at all what with the great pickup from the mic. Its not like a cell phone mic - which is calibrated to have a near field pickup only. This mic can pickup your voice from much farther away than a cell phone. |
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LOL...I had no idea this thing had a built in mic...I always figured you had to plug in the headphones with the built in mic...:D |
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The problem with using your tablet as a phone besides other issues... unless you have headphones, everyone is going hear your conversation thanks to the speakers.
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Yeah I guess there would need to be a mode in whatever software you are using that would lower the volume and only output to the speaker nearest your ear, when holding the thing up to your face rather than as a speakerphone.
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I use the N810 as my phone (mobile or at home) 100% of the time, while at home, at a friends house, or on the road. I use SIP/RTCOMM and not Skype.
It can be used as a hold to ear phone. RTCOMM has convenient volume controls, so it's more than possible to quickly adjust the volume (or leave it at a level) where it's quiet enough to be only heard by you, even if you are in public. A killer option would be an automatic 'screen lock' to prevent your cheek from hitting any buttons accidentally after you hit accept. Of course, it's not too bad to just slide the lock slider, though it'd be nearly perfect if there was an option to do it automatically. There seems to be a major flaw with hold-to-the-ear. I find that the volume of the speaker on the other end seems to fluctuate up and down (to the point where I can't hear the caller), when using the speaker phone or hold-to-the-ear method. I'm not sure if this is echo cancellation, or a problem with my setup/provider, but it has prohibited me from using this method. Has anyone noticed anything similar? Any suggestions would be extremely welcome, as I wouldn't have to walk around with headphones, and would make this as useful as a cell-phone when in WiFi range! With the headphones, it works amazingly well, though. RTCOMM has intuitive and finger-friendly controls, making it very easy to navigate (the theme echowb also helps, as it includes wide finger-friendlky scrollbars for applications -- the install deb is here). If I am playing music with the main media player (which is frequently the case), when I receive a call, it pauses the song and then proceeds to ring the device! This is VERY useful, as it only requires that we press 'Accept' to start a conversation rather than fiddling with settings. Another thing to note is battery life and memory limits when using it as a phone. If find that according the the power manager, I have about 4hours from a fresh charge (battery at 97% capacity) to talk. This is quite good, but all-night conversations may require a plug. If you're using it as a phone, it is suggested that you keep your application usage light. I've had the N810 restart mid-conversation when using too many apps. I suspect I ran out of memory! If anyone has insight on the hold-to-the-ear method, please enlighten us/me/we! YARR! }:^)~ 1-800-CORRUPT |
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Hi again,
The inaudible volume 'problem' seems to be a echo-cancellation thing. It would appear that if someone calls the N810 and you both happen to be speaking at the same time, the caller will not be able to hear you (the mic is muted -- perhaps proportionally to the volume of the sound coming over the speakers -- as to not re-transmit the sound). This is a good feature for a speakerphone setup, but less necessary if the volume is low. I'm not sure if the mic is muted proportionally to the volume coming over the speakers, but I hope this is the case. I first noticed this muting during a speakerphone session when my girlfriend was scraping ice off of her car while trying to talk to me. She couldn't hear a word I was saying, though I could hear all of the scraping. It also seems as though there's a non-linear volume feature in place. In other words the callers voice over the speakers doesn't seem to be linearly proportional to the how loud they talk into the mic. This does not seem to occur with the headset plugged in. This would explain the sound volume fluctuating during conversations holding the N810 like a handset. When the callers mouth is right up against the mic, the sound comes through fine. However, if their mouth is a little farther away from the mic, it becomes virtually inaudible at such low volumes. Again, these problems do not occur with the headset, so I assume it's the tablet software. I'm not sure if this happens when using the N810 as a speakerphone. One last thing about handset-like operation. Because the mic is on the bottom of the tablet (I always assumed it was the 'slot' between the 'menu' and 'return' buttons on the N810 face -- go figure), if you move your hands, it jostles the stand, and comes through loud and clear to the caller. If you hold still, this isn't a problem, and it picks up voice exceptionally well. Of course, in a noisy room, it may pick up others' voices as well as your own! It is appropriated as a speaker-phone mic, afterall. I will continue trying to find a good solution that allows for worry free handset-like calls. Again, if anybody could provide insight, or add information, it would be most appreciated! YARR! }:^)~ Cool-rupt |
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hi. i also use my n800 as my only phone, although with skype. i have had no problems with a muted mic, and the built-in mic is on the top so there are no rustling sounds transmitted. skype to skype calls are always good, and skype to phone calls are usually good. i have read other users' occasional problems with skype to phone, so i suspect that skype has a not so good setup for this. however, i have never had sound quality or feedback problems. if the conversation starts to cut out it is usually due to a poor wifi signal but sometimes for reasons i can't figure out. if i hold it to my ear i simply turn the volume way down and my conversation is private. of course, if someone else is standing only a foot or two away they may still be able to hear, but this is true of regular cell phones too. i can't use it anywhere like i could a regular mobile, but i can deal with that when my bill comes in the mail. oh wait, what bill.
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I know, it's a really attractive system to use as a phone! The functionality and the price can't be beat!
I just wish I could turn off the noise cancellation in RTCOMM as it seems to be the only thing preventing me from holding the unit to my ear! This would make things perfect, but it's not too bad with the headphones. Again if anyone has any suggestions to help with this, I'd be very grateful! YARR! }:^)~ Mi Capt'n |
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hey i just found out how get get free phone calls with my tablet using voipdiscount http://www.voipdiscount(dot)com/en/ for outgoing linked to my sip account and for my incoming calls i used ipkall http://www.ipkall(dot)com down side is with ipkall i got a washington phone number and i live in iowa but oh well i now have a fully free wifi phone so yeah good way to save some dollars
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Apparently, I'm not the only one that has come across the speakerphone-echo-cancellation problem. A bug report from summer of last year points to the same issue:
Bug Report Discussion The interesting thing of note is that the bug-reporter states that this is only a problem with RTCOMM, and not with Gizmo or Skype -- he states that he would rather avoid using them to resolve the issue. Also, he has discovered that this problem does not exist when using the headphones. Sadly the bug was marked as resolved and brushed aside. I am interested in looking for a solution to this problem. If it only means turning off the echo cancellation, then I'd gladly do it. It would be nice if the software had a switch to turn off the echo cancellation, or if it was a little more sophisticated as to not interfere with conversation. YARR! }:^)~ Captimea Corruptosis |
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How about a bluetooth earpiece? Am sure there is a list somewhere that is compatible with these tablet. |
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How do you guys manage to find an internet connection? If I have a net connection, i just IM. Cheap prepaid phone when out of range works well for me.
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I've read many ways to use the N810 as a phone on this thread. Some users have ways to bypass or otherwise correct the problems they are having during phone conversations. I like things simple. Some say I am lazy. Some say I am too dumb to try different ways. I find the easiest way to do something, phone calls over voip, and use it for all it is worth. Skype works fine for my calls and p2p is cheap, cost nothing. I may say at times that Skype works better than my AT&T Wireless, as long as it doesn't take anymore effort to say. Too wordy to say, "Skype is OK!"
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I found a solution to my (and possibly other) RTCOMM handset woes!
The Problem: When using RTCOMM as a to the ear handset has volumes of the callers voice frequently drops too low to be audible. This is supposedly due to echo cancellation or some other mechanism and is NOT present when using the bundled headphones/mic. The Solution: Turn the volume of RTCOMM to all the way up, and turn the master volume down to an appropriate level for 'handset' conversations. I generally have the volume at around 10-15%. There are no problems with voice dropping out! Of course, don't move around to much, as the mic is designed as a speakerphone mic and is very sensitive. I hope this helps someone! It's far easier to use the N810 as a handset phone for frequent and short conversations than having to alternate between plugging in the headphones! YARR! }:^)~ E=M(Corrupt)^2 |
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