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craves1 2009-02-24 20:53

Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Add on for the 32GB SD Adapter Mod that is already available

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=23205

For every one who purchased the 32GB SD adapter with the metal door, I am now designing and building the other add-ons I promised.

These additions would require you the remove the extra holder stuck to the inside of the metal cover. This add on will stick in its place.

It will add to the Tablet, Tilt Sensor, Accelerometer, IR Transmit, IR Learning and IR receiver. This part will also have a expansion buss for additional features in the future.

There will also be 2 additional features that I do not want to reveal right now that will change the way the tablet's touch screen works.

I am starting this Thread to see if there is any interest from those who can write software to incorporate the new added features into their programs?

I am also looking for programmers to work for me to write new programs for the tablet that would change the way the tablet works in everyday use?

Any one who is interested can send me a private mail or contact me at cgraves256@optonline.net.

The features of this mod will make for interesting software enhancement for the N810 tablet. I will be ready with the product within March or at least this is my goal.
I will have the first prototypes in about 2 weeks then my software engineer will write the firmware and test the interface.

After that it is up to the community to help with the software interface to programs and to the OS. We can not write programs for the tablet due to time.

This module by it self will most likely work with all of the tablets but for now I am focusing on the N810.

fatalsaint 2009-02-25 00:03

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Well...

I'm Impressed. :clap:

craves1 2009-02-25 01:57

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
For those sending email asking to purchase the tilt sensor now it is not ready to be purchased. I wll let you know if you send me email where to buy it when I am ready.

Also there are still some adapters left for any one who still want to get one.

Thanks for the support.

OpnSrcAddict 2009-02-25 05:07

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
For how long do you think the adapters will be available?

Thesandlord 2009-02-25 05:34

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Personally, if you made a Tilt Sensor + IR Blaster at a reasonable price and size, I would defiantly buy one. Much more appealing to the "inner hacker" than the card adapter. Can't wait.

sarathmenon 2009-02-25 07:23

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Can you post some details about the components that you'll be using? If the manufacturers are open source friendly, and already have GPLed drivers, it should be a breeze to make the hardware accessible under maemo or even android. I'd be interested in one even if few apps make use of it - it'll be an awesome mod to kill time :)

Ama 2009-02-25 08:04

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
I'm curious about where the IR will be and how strong. I'm not an IR buff, I don't know much about IR at all. Are all IR emitters and receivers the same? Would it be possible to program it to control a TV for example?

Essentially what I'm asking is, given some fine programming plus your IR/tilt/more pack, could I turn my n810 into something like: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmo.../dp/B000II6YEA, or is there a hardware reason why the IR components you are talking about aren't capable of such a feat?

craves1 2009-02-25 15:16

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ama (Post 267030)
I'm curious about where the IR will be and how strong. I'm not an IR buff, I don't know much about IR at all. Are all IR emitters and receivers the same? Would it be possible to program it to control a TV for example?

Essentially what I'm asking is, given some fine programming plus your IR/tilt/more pack, could I turn my n810 into something like: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmo.../dp/B000II6YEA, or is there a hardware reason why the IR components you are talking about aren't capable of such a feat?

No, all IR transmitters and receivers are not the same.

Yes you would be able to control say a TV or audio system directly from the Tablet.

I am an IR expert and if the programming is done for the Tablet the IR will transmit as far as you would like it to, say 50 to 60 feet. I make some of the fastest transmitting and longest distance IR in the world. I also make IR transmitters that will even work in sun light.

The IR transmit and receive will be the easy part. It is mostly up to the community to make the control programs. The codes and learning of the IR is stored in the module. The IR portion is controlled with hex strings similar to sending and receiving to a serial com port.

Thanks

craves1 2009-02-25 15:18

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thesandlord (Post 266996)
Personally, if you made a Tilt Sensor + IR Blaster at a reasonable price and size, I would defiantly buy one. Much more appealing to the "inner hacker" than the card adapter. Can't wait.

It will be small enough to fit inside the 3.5mm inner thickness of the metal case. I am not sure about the price yet.

Thanks

branitar 2009-02-25 16:06

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
I guess, the Irreco app could be bent a bit to make the IR work...

darethehair 2009-02-25 19:31

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
At the end of the 'Mephemeris' thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=19545) there has been discussion of how neat it would be to use an electronic compass and accelerometer in the context of an astronomy app.

So...what are the chances of ever getting a compass device as well?

Also, is this fancy stuff *only* for the N810, and not the N800?

ioan 2009-02-25 21:26

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What about this? Not sure what the dimensions are, but this will convert the N8x0 to a phone:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/pro...roducts_id=757

smackpotato 2009-02-25 22:06

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2ioan. Dimensions: 1.75x1.75x0.275". Is there anything that can't be done with a bucket of spark fun parts.

craves1 2009-02-25 22:20

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darethehair (Post 267119)
At the end of the 'Mephemeris' thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=19545) there has been discussion of how neat it would be to use an electronic compass and accelerometer in the context of an astronomy app.

So...what are the chances of ever getting a compass device as well?

Also, is this fancy stuff *only* for the N810, and not the N800?



I did not look into a compass but with the one wire buss it is possible. With the n800 the software would be the same but I would need to have a power connection and a cover for it. If it works it would be able to be used with either tablet.

To develop it for the N800 I would need to have a lot of interest and support.

Thanks

craves1 2009-02-25 22:28

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan (Post 267151)
What about this? Not sure what the dimensions are, but this will convert the N8x0 to a phone:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/pro...roducts_id=757

I am not building a phone add-on but this is a great site. http://www.telit.com/index.php
They have some interesting parts.This module is too thick for the current metal case.

I also saw this type of product at the CES show last month. Some were even smaller than this with the sin card holder.

Thanks

Ama 2009-02-26 00:34

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 267067)
No, all IR transmitters and receivers are not the same.

Yes you would be able to control say a TV or audio system directly from the Tablet.

I am an IR expert and if the programming is done for the Tablet the IR will transmit as far as you would like it to, say 50 to 60 feet. I make some of the fastest transmitting and longest distance IR in the world. I also make IR transmitters that will even work in sun light.

The IR transmit and receive will be the easy part. It is mostly up to the community to make the control programs. The codes and learning of the IR is stored in the module. The IR portion is controlled with hex strings similar to sending and receiving to a serial com port.

Thanks

As described, assuming the IR is in a reasonable place on the device, I would be interested.

craves1 2009-02-26 11:55

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ama (Post 267192)
As described, assuming the IR is in a reasonable place on the device, I would be interested.

The IR emitter will be on the side so it points to the devices you want to control when the tablet is held in the portrait orientation with the camera at the top. Any IR transmitter software should be written to use this mode as well as the landscape orientation.

There would also be a emitter in the landscape mode so the keyboard can also be used. The is a easy feature.

With this part of the mod the tablet can be made into a very sophisticated home automation remote control but as I said the software is not my department.

Thanks

craves1 2009-02-26 12:10

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
I recently added a rotory switch to the left side of the case. This is the type that spins and pushes in.

There are another 15 switches in the design but I have not figured how to install them for the N810. They are for another application for the same mod. I think I can give access to 4 of them on the N810tablet. They would be good for extra remote control hard keys

dwould 2009-02-26 18:04

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
I would be interested in the mods you're talking about. Funnily enough I've often thought it would be nice to have a rotary switch on a corner of the device, for one handed holding+scrolling.
Im looking forward to seeing what you've come up with.

Benson 2009-02-26 20:18

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 267287)
I recently added a rotory switch to the left side of the case. This is the type that spins and pushes in.

There are another 15 switches in the design but I have not figured how to install them for the N810. They are for another application for the same mod. I think I can give access to 4 of them on the N810tablet. They would be good for extra remote control hard keys

Pfftt. Remote control is for losers. Those keys are really for game controls. ;)

craves1 2009-02-26 20:39

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 267389)
Pfftt. Remote control is for losers. Those keys are really for game controls. ;)

That will be up to who ever writes the software to use them.

fragos 2009-02-26 23:16

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
craves1: is there no end to your creativity with hardware?

craves1 2009-02-26 23:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fragos (Post 267430)
craves1: is there no end to your creativity with hardware?

Hope not??

TA-t3 2009-02-27 18:00

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
When reviewing your plans I for the first time almost wish I had an N810 and not just my beloved N800.. :D

Viqsi 2009-03-02 03:40

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While I'm not a full-time programmer, I was planning on - if a tilt sensor ever appeared - trying to hack together a script that would auto-rotate the display, iPhone style.

Might be beyond my strength, but I won't know 'till I get the chance to try. ;)

jmenym24 2009-03-03 04:38

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
hello guys i bought the sd adapter just to add more memory for my music and video. now the tilt sensor add on is in the process what is the advantage of this? is there any application or games that can work with this? can any body tell me or explain this (Tilt Sensor, Accelerometer, IR Transmit, IR Learning and IR receiver.) sorry guys im not smart at all but alot of people are interested.

jmenym24 2009-03-07 16:11

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
hello craves1: how long are going finish this mod? i havent heard anything about this for 1week or 2.

allnameswereout 2009-03-07 17:47

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Not sure I'm interested personally to buy one because I'm not using my N810 much lately but seeing this realized and interest in this is nice :)

craves1 2009-03-08 01:18

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmenym24 (Post 269616)
hello craves1: how long are going finish this mod? i havent heard anything about this for 1week or 2.

I am working on it but so far there have not been any one volunteering to write software for the N810. This mod will work with any number of tablets and computers. The only thing it would need to be able to do is communicate via com port or virtual com port.

With this in mind I will make it even if no programmers writes software for the N810. I am sure after it is finished though some one will. It will be part of the products I sell through my company also just smaller. The mod for the N810 will be very small to fit under the metal door but it will be useful as a stand alone device also.

As I have stated I am trying to have it finished before the end of the month.

Thanks

toxic_d 2009-03-08 02:33

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Anxious to see this come to reality... What is the accelerometer that you plan on using? Is it going to be a 2 axis or 3 axis tilt sensor?

Lord Raiden 2009-03-08 03:19

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Ok, I'm late stepping into this thread, so I'm curious, what would the tilt sensor and other mods be used for, are they all one package or separate items, and would you need the sd mod in order to use these? I'm guessing yes for the tilt sensor, but I'm not sure for the others.

toxic_d 2009-03-08 03:46

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Well I'm new here but to make it short from my limited experience here...

Tilt allows for screen rotation like the BB Storm and the Apple I---

As for the IR it allows for universal remote functionality with the proper sw and likely data transfer though the data transfer is old school...

He mentions something about new screen functionality, not sure what that may be though.

craves1 2009-03-08 05:40

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toxic_d (Post 269732)
Anxious to see this come to reality... What is the accelerometer that you plan on using? Is it going to be a 2 axis or 3 axis tilt sensor?

Three Axis

Thanks

Lord Raiden 2009-03-08 08:12

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Right, but what games and/or apps can currently use it, or will at some point? The idea here is, of what benefit will it be to me?

zehjotkah 2009-03-08 09:12

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
enigma works with a accelerometer as shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA

anidel 2009-03-08 11:35

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
If you make it, I'll try to make Xournal aware of its existance and rotate the note accordingly :)

lcuk 2009-03-08 12:51

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 269778)
If you make it, I'll try to make Xournal aware of its existance and rotate the note accordingly :)

anidel, it would be better if we could have it done from the OS.
the rx-51 has a tilt sensor so its likely that fremantle itself will have support.
it would be better to expect rotation to occur at the os level itself.

having said that, I think other gestures would work well:

etchasketch type clearing when you shake the screen would be cool ;)

It would be even better to do that per app, and if you shake it too much bits of UI start falling to the bottom! :p

sarathmenon 2009-03-08 13:37

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
@craves1: Can you share the name of the chip that you're planning to use? I am no coder (haven't touched anything of that sort in a long time), but I am interested in playing around with this.

allnameswereout 2009-03-08 15:06

Re: Tilt Sensor Add-ons for 32GB SD adapter for N810 Mod
 
Screen tilting is one purpose, maybe the important primary one. But there are many! It allows some games to be controlled this way. For example Neverball. I think Pandora would also gain accelerometer. Its also very useful in GPS device, and in general would open some more options for Carman. Here are many more!

anidel 2009-03-08 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lcuk (Post 269780)
anidel, it would be better if we could have it done from the OS.
the rx-51 has a tilt sensor so its likely that fremantle itself will have support.
it would be better to expect rotation to occur at the os level itself.

having said that, I think other gestures would work well:

etchasketch type clearing when you shake the screen would be cool ;)

It would be even better to do that per app, and if you shake it too much bits of UI start falling to the bottom! :p

I am sure the OS will (in the upcoming device) send a DBUS message telling the applications the screen as rotated. This way the applications may choose to honor it and rotate accordingly.

As soon as I'll get my Dell mini 9 I'll install Fremantle and start porting Xournal to it and I am pretty sure I'll take a look at this option along with getting advantage of some Clutter effect (buttons that hover over the note and fade away when start using the stylus again and stuff like that).

This will work the same way on Fremantle as it'll work on this mod (if it'll come out). It's just a few mode lines of code to support this particular device in the app instead of relying on the OS.

:)


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