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ColdFusion 2009-03-03 13:51

What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
:D

so far it's only this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by fanoush (Post 268249)
No, looks like numeric keypad. I wonder if this is additional one or the only one that the device has.

Code:

+static int rx71_keymap[] = {
+      /* Col, Row, Key */
+
+      KEY(0, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(0, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(0, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(0, 3, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(0, 4, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(0, 5, KEY_M),
+      KEY(0, 6, KEY_KPMINUS),
+      KEY(0, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(1, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(1, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(1, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(1, 3, KEY_KPPLUS),
+      KEY(1, 4, KEY_DELETE),
+      KEY(1, 5, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(1, 6, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(1, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(2, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(2, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(2, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(2, 3, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(2, 4, KEY_5),
+      KEY(2, 5, KEY_9),
+      KEY(2, 6, KEY_KPASTERISK),
+      KEY(2, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(3, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(3, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(3, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(3, 3, KEY_6),
+      KEY(3, 4, KEY_7),
+      KEY(3, 5, KEY_0),
+      KEY(3, 6, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(3, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(4, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(4, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(4, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(4, 3, KEY_8),
+      KEY(4, 4, KEY_ENTER),
+      KEY(4, 5, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(4, 6, KEY_4),
+      KEY(4, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(5, 0, KEY_BACKSPACE),
+      KEY(5, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(5, 2, KEY_F2),
+      KEY(5, 3, KEY_F3),
+      KEY(5, 4, KEY_F5),
+      KEY(5, 5, KEY_F4),
+      KEY(5, 6, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(5, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(6, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 3, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 4, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 5, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 6, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(6, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+
+      KEY(7, 0, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 1, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 2, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 3, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 4, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 5, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 6, KEY_RESERVED),
+      KEY(7, 7, KEY_RESERVED),
+};



pycage 2009-03-03 21:50

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
The keycodes look to me as if this was a mobile phone keypad.

M -
+ DEL
5 9 *
6 7 0
8 ENTER 4
BACK F2 F3 F5 F4

Well, half a phone keypad... :confused:

fms 2009-03-03 21:52

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 268685)
The keycodes look to me as if this was a mobile phone keypad.

I think it is going to be a desktop calculator. =)

lcuk 2009-03-03 22:04

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
a base 7 (offset 3) calculator!


gimme gimme gimme!

pycage 2009-03-03 22:07

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
A calculator that cannot divide!

lcuk 2009-03-03 22:10

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
how do we expect to conquer then?

benny1967 2009-03-03 23:04

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 268685)
The keycodes look to me as if this was a mobile phone keypad.

M -
+ DEL
5 9 *
6 7 0
8 ENTER 4
BACK F2 F3 F5 F4

Well, half a phone keypad... :confused:

Even if I stick to row-columns as described in the code it doesn't make any sense:

Code:

[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [  <  ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [  F2 ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [  +  ] [    ] [  6  ] [  8  ] [  F3 ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [ <<  ] [  5  ] [  7  ] [ <-| ] [  F5 ] [    ] [    ]
[  M  ] [    ] [  9  ] [  0  ] [    ] [  F4 ] [    ] [    ]
[  -  ] [    ] [  *  ] [    ] [  4  ] [    ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ]

somebody must be laughing at us right now ;)

(Or maybe you need diamond-shaped keys for this layout :p )

ragnar 2009-03-03 23:41

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
It's a riddle, like in Lost!

Benson 2009-03-04 00:02

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
I'm thinking if you saw the keyboard once, you'd slap yourself in the forehead and say "Oh, of course you'd wire that key layout into that matrix." The inverse problem, unfortunately, is not so simple... (Naturally, a staggered key layout is a definite possibility.)

And is it just me, or does "M" seem really odd?

Now, I'm stuck wondering whether I should go obtain and watch all Lost episodes, looking for a puzzle like that. On one hand, the probability that ragnar was dropping an obscure referential hint is miniscule. On the other hand, the geek glory and fame (within the IT community, anyway) to be gained if one does decipher such a hint defies mathematical analysis... (No, actually it doesn't; mathematical analysis conquers all, and indicates that someone who's watched Lost would beat me anyway, were there aught to be found.)

ColdFusion 2009-03-04 00:11

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
I remember that Lost episode! Trust me, the "M" is just where it should be! ;)

sjgadsby 2009-03-04 01:13

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 268741)
And is it just me, or does "M" seem really odd?

It's the Maemo button, silly! You know, like an Apple key, a Windows key, or a Playstation button. That's why Maemo 5 can't run on the 770 or N800, they have no "M" button!

skelso 2009-03-04 02:50

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Perhaps it's a num keypad embedded in a larger QWERTY-ish keyboard?

I'm hopeful those Fn keys are real, user-assignable ones. And better still, keys that I can use with the cover/slider/flip closed.

pycage 2009-03-04 07:29

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 268726)
somebody must be laughing at us right now ;)

I was thinking exactly the same. ;)
Somebody at Nokia must be ROFL'ing right now after intentionally putting some mysterious bogus code into the kernel for us to discover for some fun. :)

pycage 2009-03-04 07:32

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Next on Engadget:
RX-71 photoshop images based on this piece of code. :D

fanoush 2009-03-04 08:29

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 268823)
I was thinking exactly the same. ;)
Somebody at Nokia must be ROFL'ing right now after intentionally putting some mysterious bogus code into the kernel for us to discover for some fun. :)

True that there is very little which is specific to rx-71 in kernel. Just two arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx71*.c files, entry in changelog - "bluetooth: rx71: add bluetooth configuration for rx71 board
", new config file and many additions like
Code:

+      if (!(machine_is_nokia_rx51() || machine_is_nokia_rx71()))                                                                                         
+              return 0;                                                                                                                                   
+

to rx-51 specific drivers (so they are shared between both devices). Looks like they made some effort to make this joke plausible :-)

The diff between kernels is 60MB big due to 2.6.27->.28 move so it is hard to find every change but the result below proves it is indeed carefully crafted joke ;)

Code:

$ grep rx71 2.6.27-20090202r03-2.6.28.diff | wc -l
71

71 lines containing rx71 in 60MB file, coincidence? I think not ;)

allnameswereout 2009-03-04 08:42

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 268726)
Even if I stick to row-columns as described in the code it doesn't make any sense:

Code:

[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [  <  ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [  F2 ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [  +  ] [    ] [  6  ] [  8  ] [  F3 ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [ <<  ] [  5  ] [  7  ] [ <-| ] [  F5 ] [    ] [    ]
[  M  ] [    ] [  9  ] [  0  ] [    ] [  F4 ] [    ] [    ]
[  -  ] [    ] [  *  ] [    ] [  4  ] [    ] [    ] [    ]
[    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ] [    ]

somebody must be laughing at us right now ;)

(Or maybe you need diamond-shaped keys for this layout :p )

Its the Matrix!

Or the successor of N800!

;)

benny1967 2009-03-04 08:46

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fanoush (Post 268833)
71 lines containing rx71 in 60MB file, coincidence? I think not ;)

*LOOOL*

now that's really cool.

TheRealBubba 2009-03-04 09:21

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 268755)
It's the Maemo button, silly! You know, like an Apple key, a Windows key, or a Playstation button. That's why Maemo 5 can't run on the 770 or N800, they have no "M" button!

... and the RX-71 will have ... FIVE of them!

ColdFusion 2009-03-04 14:20

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
But what about rx-61 :D

qole 2009-03-04 18:52

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
RX-61 is just the RX-51 with a leather case and an extra cup holder.

sachin007 2009-03-04 18:58

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
It took 4 hardware revisons to go from rx-34 to rx-51. It sounded fishy when the next version directly jumped to 71

lcuk 2009-03-04 19:03

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
The Nokia jigsaw!

You can get it on 12 months interest free credit.
As you pay per month they sent you additional components to finish your device.

Bundyo 2009-03-04 20:41

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 268954)
RX-61 is just the RX-51 with a leather case and an extra cup holder.

I'm pretty sure qgil told us that there are no CD-ROM drives in RX-51. ;)

lcuk 2009-03-04 20:59

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 268986)
I'm pretty sure qgil told us that there are no CD-ROM drives in RX-51. ;)

omg you are right.

the only logical conclusion: rx-51 includes a dvd drive!

fms 2009-03-04 22:15

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lcuk (Post 268992)
the only logical conclusion: rx-51 includes a dvd drive!

Given rumors that UMD is missing from the upcoming Sony PSP, it is very likely that it has gone into RX-51 instead now!

Benson 2009-03-04 22:27

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
A tray loading UMD drive... Would that be a shot-glass holder?

Voltron 2009-03-04 22:31

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
They should put a rolling blind type cover on the front LCD with magnets at the bottom to hold it in place. Make it out of kevlar too :D

something like this:
http://www.global-b2b-network.com/di...ng_Control.jpg

benny1967 2009-03-05 07:32

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
as long as there's a 770-style hard cover (thats why they call it RX-71), i don't care about additional cup holders and stuff. ;)

pycage 2009-03-05 08:27

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
The cup holder will be a Blueray drive. But since it's a slot drive without a tray, the cup holder comes as a little plate of metal that you stick into the drive for that purpose. When not in use as a cup holder, the plate can be folded into a stylish robust case for the RX-71. Since it's magnetic, you can also stick it to your fridge.
But to be able to play Blueray discs while using the cup holder, Nokia registered a patent for placing a disc into a hole in the holder so that you can put the disc together with the holder into the drive and the holder will sort of work like a caddy (somebody still remember the old CD-ROM drive with caddy for the Amiga 500? ;) ).
Nokia will show the device on a press conference on April 1st. ;)

korbé 2009-08-11 14:19

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
No information on this RX-71?

This would be stupid to buy the RX-51 if the RX-71 is better and out after a little time.

ragnar 2009-08-11 14:27

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
There will (hopefully) never be a time that something better is not eventually coming, further down the road. You need to make the buy decisions based on what is currently available, if that particular item is good enough for your particular needs.

Kypeli 2009-08-11 14:42

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 310823)
There will (hopefully) never be a time that something better is not eventually coming, further down the road. You need to make the buy decisions based on what is currently available, if that particular item is good enough for your particular needs.

I have to agree here. If I would always be thinking of what might be coming next, I should have never bought myself a computer!

And if you are like me, a gadget freak, buying also the next big thing is only a nice experience ;)

flareup 2009-08-11 15:19

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 310823)
You need to make the buy decisions based on what is currently available, if that particular item is good enough for your particular needs.

very wise words.

and why i'll be passing on Rover's small screen.

sadly I don't think 71 will be a 8xx sized version, more likely a "roverTouch", ie a non-cellular phone version a la iPhone/iTouch

Texrat 2009-08-11 15:55

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
I just pray for an N800-like form factor...

Texrat 2009-08-11 15:56

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flareup (Post 310835)
very wise words.

and why i'll be passing on Rover's small screen.

sadly I don't think 71 will be a 8xx sized version, more likely a "roverTouch", ie a non-cellular phone version a la iPhone/iTouch

Doubtful. I couldn't see that warranting a jump from 51 to 71. More like a slight variant change such as 52, 53, et al.

Texrat 2009-08-11 15:58

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by korbé (Post 310820)
No information on this RX-71?

This would be stupid to buy the RX-51 if the RX-71 is better and out after a little time.

It would be stupid (ie, self-defeating) of Nokia to make such a move in the first place.

RX-71 to RX-51 therefore likely means "different" more than "better".

klinglerware 2009-08-11 16:00

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flareup (Post 310835)
very wise words.

and why i'll be passing on Rover's small screen.

Agree that it is really up to the individual to make those cost-benefit decisions.

Maybe I have drunk the kool-aid, but I am warming to the idea of the Maemo phone (if it is indeed a phone). I was initially disappointed about the smaller screen and the fact that it might be phone capable (I use my n800 on planes quite a bit, and some airlines have a "no cellphone use, even in 'flight mode'" policy.)

But, based on the reported specs, the Rover is actually what I've been looking for in a phone: quad-band GSM, T-mobile 3G, nice camera (for a phone). I am hoping that it will be sold unlocked, though.

Anyway, having the phone running Maemo is the ultimate plus, since I'm used to it and hopefully would be able to use many of the apps that I already am using on my N800. In fact, I will now be able to carry my maemo apps around with me everywhere (the N800 is sometimes too bulky for me to carry all the time). Having a phone with the functionality of the tablet could also reduce complexity by reducing the duplication produced by using a separate tablet and a phone.

I don't expect my n800 to gather dust--it's still tremendously useful to me now. I'm hoping it will be my mini-device for places where cell phones are non grata, like planes and such. The larger screen of the n800 will be better for watching movies and playing games, etc.

Naranek 2009-08-11 16:35

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
I guess so far the only evidence of the RX-71 is the keymapping and all the talk about the "lead device RX-51"? Anyway, I'm thinking that if the RX-71 exists and there are plans to release it, it will be confirmed at some level when the Rover is released. Something like - "one more thing, there's also this larger tablet model coming out soon after the Rover". I find it hard to believe that they would release it a few months after Rover without a word at the Rover release. What do you think?

vkv.raju 2009-09-24 02:47

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 310844)
It would be stupid (ie, self-defeating) of Nokia to make such a move in the first place.

RX-71 to RX-51 therefore likely means "different" more than "better".

Me agree with Texrat.

Now, my GUESS:
RX-51 : Maemo 5
RX-56 : No key-board RX-51 sometime mid next year (MIGHT be a tad better with some extra hardware like a digital compass for example)
RX-61 : Something to showcase Maemo 6
RX-71 : The HOLY device. Destination reached!

I think, that's the reason why we are seeing something RX-71 in the current context.

EDIT: Oops! Just noticed, I replied to a month-and-a-half old thread!

Texrat 2009-09-24 02:56

Re: What we do realistically see in the RX-71
 
it's okay, raju, the thread is aging like a fine w(h)ine. :D


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