Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I was just bored I guess, so I thought I would run a poll, stir up some trouble. Which do you think will ship first Pandora Console or Next Nokia Tablet?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Heh, I'll bite. Nokia's silence might mean more is forthcoming. Pandora's non-announcement announcements are starting to shake my faith in it coming out before Q4 2009.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I say Open Pandora will ship first..that was actually the one i was considering alternatively to the n810. Ive been on their mailing list and they are now taking orders for the first batch..

"Final Mass production begins in April"

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I think Nokia could wait for the end of the Great Crisis maybe - so the Pandoa could be ready before.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

/s/Final/Final,Final,Final,Final,Final,Final,Final,but one,Final

;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

to release a product designed in 2008 when? 2011?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

From: http://openpandora.org/

Hi,
as everybody is waiting, I thought I'd post some status informations. I'll keep them up-to-date here, so everybody knows what's happening :)

To-Do:

* Get the final Prototype case (finished and will ship Friday, 6th of March)
* Create the keymat mould (takes 20 - 25 days)
* Design the final keyboard layout (needs to be finished when the mould is ready)
* Create mould of final case (can be done once the case fits, takes 30 - 35 days)
* CE / FCC testing (can be done once the prototype case is here)
* Mass Production testrun for the final boards
* Stability testing (this will be fun)
* Wait for the last remaining pieces for mass production (LATEST deadline is second week of March)
* Mass Production
* Test the boards
* SHIP THEM!


----------------------------------
If I just take these two items:
* Create mould of final case (can be done once the case fits, takes 30 - 35 days)
* Create the keymat mould (takes 20 - 25 days)

This is at minimum 50 days from March 6th, I use the low end numbers of 30 and 20 This is like April 25th

Providing they make these dates (track record on dates not so well) and NONE of the other items on that list take any time at all outside the 50 days. It could ship by April 25.

In my personal opinion this is not even close to what the ship date will be. If it were to ship by July I would be surprised. But thats just my two cents.... They have still not even processed the credit card orders.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

There are no more credit card orders, only bank transfers or checks.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

2009/1/30

I will be waiting and ordering via credit card once this service is available. Hopefully the exchange rate stays where its at. So I cannot reorder via credit card for several months and SOMEONE WILL CONTACT ME once this service is available?

Thanks

----------------------------------------

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM, openpandorasales <openpandorasales@gmail.com> wrote:

I have marked your order as a Priority for when the Credit Card facilities are available. I guarantee we will contact you.


Kind regards
Jacquelyn

-----------------------------------------

I have not re-paid or canceled my order yet

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

:D Might be I'm wrong there, I must admit.
Though I have a gut feeling that those guys will do it, I mean the Pandora team, before the n900. At least I hope so for them and their bank exposition.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

2009/3/7

Has anything changed, will I still be contacted to order via credit card?

-----------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, openpandorasales <openpandorasales@gmail.com> wrote:

The credit card facilities may not be available until the second batch release. We will contact you as soon as the facility is available.

Thanks
Jacquelyn

----------------------------------------------------------

They suck, good luck those who prepaid the second time.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The question as asked is quite meaningless. It is possible that Pandora might ship a few hundreds of units to people who are willing to pay for a device a year in advance by going to some deserted cemetery at midnight when the moon is full and leaving the money (and a pint of blood of a virgin goat) under a stone.

The more interesting question is when will I be able to go to a website enter my address and my credit card number, and have the device sent to me. It seems obvious that the N900 will reach that before the Pandora.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Sadly, the way these independent things usually work is:

1. Come up with an awesome idea that blows away everything currently available
2. Suffer either from bugs or constantly pushing back release dates
3. Lose enough customers from bugs or pushing back release dates until the technology is obsolete that you go bankrupt.
4. Big companies scoop up the shattered remains of the independent company for the princely sum of 2 peppercorns.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Sounds about right.

I wouldn't even be that hopeful.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I wonder... if Nokia had communicated its internal workings about the elusive new tablet as openly as the Openpandora team has done, how this poll would look like.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

To me its not the internal working being advertised that is pandora's problem. Its a credit card issue, its a we have no clue how to run a business issue, its a we have put out several dates that things "should" be done by (shipping Dec 2008) issue

Pandora has rightly earned that beating they took in the poll. Its all about consumer confidence and its clear these consumers (the majority) have no confidence in Pandora

Seems to me the difference is:

Pandora offers the world, and has delivered nothing.

Nokia has promised nothing, and has consistently delivered the world in my hand.

I understood what I was getting into when I ordered Pandora, but unrealistic dates that have changed constantly do not give me any confidence in the Pandora team. I understand they are all learning as they go, but if they fail its all your money, if it becomes a real product I will take a look. I am at this point though, not looking forward to it and I will be surprised if it makes it to market prior to Nokia.

If Nokia makes it to market first, it just may put a large dent in Pandora sales. Pandora was very attractive to those who didn't want to wait for Nokia to release another tablet. I know thats one of the things that made it attractive to me. Its now not appearing to be as much as an issue as it was 5 months ago when I preordered a pandora console, or should I say threw 75$ out the window because Pandora team doesn't know how to run a business.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

May 2008: Craigix says that pre-orders will start about 4 weeks before release.

September 2008: pre-orders

March 2009: Half a year after pre-orders, with the device not on the horizon yet, for the first time we are told that there are two long steps in the production, one takes 20-25 days, and the other 30-35 days (and those are Pandora days, how long it takes in real days, is anyone's guess).

Now - either Craigix had no idea about those steps (maybe he subscribes to the stork theory of gadget manufacturing), or he was not telling the truth.

What can Nokia secrets be that are as bad as that.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You mean stuff like this?

OpenPandora never delivered anything, and their first product is delayed and delayed. They have no credit whatsoever. Only a handful of enthusiasts who are behaving zealous; unrealistic.

Nokia however, has credit. Nokia has delivered products before and are extending their tree. Related to the next product Nokia has delivered some small gems thus far. Maemo summit, source code, internals, roadmaps. In some ways you might say Nokia has bad credit too. Sure. At least you know about that then. If you preordered a Pandora you have no idea what you bought from who, and when it gets delivered. I'd never preorder in such way whereas I would consider preordering from say Nokia. Because these folks have a name to defend, and a corporate history.

In no way am I trying to argue against new business or small business. But they have to prove themselves first before they are to be taken seriously. Someone on eBay with no feedback selling something for a very good price is taken with a grain of salt as well. And something cheap on the flea market might as well go broken quickly leading in a lost investment.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I have been keeping tabs on the pandora for a while now. I am going to say that Nokia will ship first. But that is a rather uneducated guess.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The first part is easy; Nokia will ship (probably) by mid-Summer.

The next part is hard; will Pandora ship? Will they ship to large numbers?

I can guarantee one thing. More people will have the RX-x1 Maemo 5 device(s) by next Autumn than Pandoras. By multiples. By that I mean there will be at least 2 New Maemo devices in the hands of consumers for every Pandora by the end of this year.

What I can't say is if the equation (Maemo5 / Pandora) = divide by 0 error ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

They're actually taking orders for the _second_ batch (of 6000 units).

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well at least they managed to pre-sell all of the first batch then, I expect they had to back-fill quite a few empty slots after they withdrew the CC payment option.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

While the first batch hasn't even shipped yet? They have guts... there are currently 0% satisfied customers.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Your information is slightly incorrect. They sold less than 2000 (probably closer to 1000) of the first batch which is supposed to be of about 4000 devices. The 6000 letters they send are an offer to people who originally registered an interest in the device to buy a device in the first batch.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Matan, you're correct (although I can't vote for the 1000-2000 numbers, I've never seen anything about that - we only know that the 3800 went down a bit). The way I've understood it, after more careful reading, is that the offer has indeed gone out to 6000 folks partly to offer access to the "leftovers" in the first batch, but Craix also said something about having kept the second batch ordering on ice too long, so it's about time to start it.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Just looked up 'zealous' in dictionary. Yes, nothing wrong with being zealous I guess. Fortunately this also includes those who are making the device. Otherwise I would be really worried. Unrealistic? No. It is like other opensource stuff, when it is done, it is done.
Yeah. So has Microsoft, Sony or Apple. So what? If their products doesn't fit my needs, why should I care?

Personally I don't care how many devices will both parties ship. I'm getting both Pandora and next tablet (betting on developer program) and I only care which one will be first on _my_ table. And if Openpandora goes under after they ship working unit to me, it is fine for me too, I already have one Tapwave Zodiac :-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The release dates are unrealistic. Their roadmap is unrealistic. The company never delivered anything. Enthusiast is OK. But after some trouble and vague excuses I'd rather wait.

With an Apple you know the pros and cons. And you know it gets delivered. Same with Microsoft and Sony. Never do they allow one to preorder and then let you wait for 6 months with no product. Thus far, Pandora has sold no products yet because a sale is a transaction which is finalized.

And, I'm also interested in a Pandora (but not for myself).

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

@allnameswereout: It's just funny how much you care about the Pandora when you haven't even ordered one. It seems like the people here who ordered knew what they were getting into and accepted the risks. As for not having a track record: Most of the people involved with the Pandora have an excellent record as community members, but making a console from scratch was a new direction for them. Yes there have been bumps, but I'm confident they will ship a finished product.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

As I said, I pre-ordered mine 5 months ago, and was told shipping would be in December, should have it in hand by Christmas. I was then forced to recieve a refund of which was 75$ less than I paid at the time. Since then I have waited and waited and then I was told I cannot order unless I send a check or money order or bank transfer. Sorry, I don't send money to Nigeria either.

To those whose money is still in their hands, I wish you good luck, I fear you will need some good luck.

pb

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well I did order one, and only backed out when the CC ordering was withdrawn. Realistically, even if CC ordering were still available and I'd kept at it, I'd be starting to get cold feet now, not due to the endless delays, vague time lines and endless repetition of the reasons behind the delays, but because the next Nokia device is getting closer (IMO) and the Pandora was, for me, just something to fill the gap.

I imagine everyone will indeed get their devices, but it's the very long wait that bothers me. Had we received these devices last November, they would have been pretty cutting edge, by the time I envisaged I might receive one, what with all the delays and my being at the end of the order list, there will at least by the new Nokia device around if not other things.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Consumer-wise I don't pre-order except in real-life stores when I feel sure they will deliver. It is rather a down payment then though.

I hardly buy hardware right when it comes out. It seems to me that I'm a beta tester then, paying the full price. Might as well wait a while after the hype cooled down.

If I could buy and receive a Pandora right now I would either buy one now or buy one very soon --in time for someones birthday. Someone who is in need of a (mobile) game computers to play relatively simple games such as puzzles. BTW, previously this was scheduled for christmas.

That making a console from scratch is a new direction for them is evident. But that is an explanation; not an excuse. And, that is partly my point. Nokia has experience with this. In all the major players in this field I feel that Nokia has the right balance between open source and commercial. Between choice of proprietary software and the freedom to modify the device and OS. Between service and integration (Nokia's Ovi is going to cooperate with Microsoft btw). I believe Nokia is able to deliver an open platform, which is aimed for touchscreen with a default configuration which is satisfying for a new user whereas allowing a hacker/techie to modify the product. I don't believe Apple can fullfil that role for me. They're too restrictive lacking for example something as simple as BlueTooth. Maemo, platform with momentum. And, a niche player would have a long way to go.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

pfft just buy both!

one is a specially designed for gaming and the other is a jack of all trades with a camera ;)

I can't wait to see the RX-51

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I've actually started to become resigned to that idea lately. :P

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

qgil

I would like to see your vote up here??? :D:D:D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

How do you know he didn't already vote? :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The same way I know you voted for Nokia ;)

If you click on the number of votes above on the graph. It will tell you who voted and how. No qgil

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Didn't notice the links. Weren't the open poll voters always visible before?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

What?! Karel voted for the Pandora?! I'm ... I'm ... SHOCKED!

:D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I will probably be one of the last of the first batch to get my Panda, due to some serious turmoil in my personal life ATM. Apologies for the relative silence, but I have rather more important work ATM. In fact, I'm going to drop off the webs completely pretty soon now.

The good news is that my escape from Belgium seems to finally nearing its end; the bad? No house, no money, no time. If you try to be honest, you apparently are merely the first to get robbed...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Congrats, & condolences...

Scratch "apparently". It's a known law of the universe at the quantum level.