Moses SmartQ 5
 

MID with Linux ???

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.engadget.c...2/smartq52.jpg

http://www.iconocast.com/B0000000000...T1/News1_0.jpg

http://www.gadgetted.com/?p=4258

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Where did you see that it's going to have Linux?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Check here: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/11/s...ped-for-reals/

It certainly looks like xfce or lxde. :)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I was thinking sort of the opposite ... "It doesn't look like much of anything at all". (Not meaning "nothing special", but instead meaning "nothing specific").

That could be ANY windowing environment. The only reason to rule out, say, Windows, is that there's no start bar at the bottom. But not all WinMo based interfaces have that (see the HTC interfaces lately).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

If you look closely you can see the network manager icon. Also I seem to recognize that GTK theme. :) It´s all about the details.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Posting some info I saw somewhere on the pandora forums

Post from a member there that had spoken to a SmartQ rep.

"I just got off AIM with a SmartQ rep, and he says:

1. It will indeed have a stylus that works with capacitive screen

2. The linux environment is LXDE

3. The price is indeed 899 Yuan, but that is the China store price. Shipping to US will cost more, and will be slightly under $200 for the unit, shipping, accessories, and a 1 year direct swap warranty for any defects.

specs are
It also has 3D acceleration (4M triangles/sec) with OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0 support!

Specs on the CPU:

• ARM1176ZJF 533/667MHz
• 65nm low-power process
• DVFS power management
• mDDR/DDR and mSDR/SDR
• WVGA or higher display resolution
• Hard-wired 3D GFX accelerator
? – OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0
• Hard-wired multimedia (>WVGA)
? – MPEG-4 SP codec
? – H.264/263 BP codec
? – VC-1 (WMV9) decoder
? – JPEG/2D hardware
? – Hardware rotator & post processor
? – TV encoder
• DMA
• Security hardware: DES/3DES, AES, SHA-1
• High-speed connectivity
? – UART
? – High-speed SPI
? – USB 2.0 OTG
? – High-speed MMC
? – MMC+/eMMC
? – SDHC 4-bit
? – SD cards/iNAND 2.0
? – I2S
• Pin compatible with S3C6400 & S3C6430
• Package: 424 pins, 13x13, 0.5mm pitch FBGA"

If the above information/specs are true, this seems to be a very well priced(for the consumer:)) device.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

http://www.engadget.com/tag/SmartQ5/

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

"Its system is the world's most popular Ubuntu system"

http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

they can make a nice sum if they start selling them globally...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I think I'd pay the extra for the known hardware quality, and physical keyboard, of an N810.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

It really is great to see all these devices starting to appear.

We also have the Ramos being announced (and already referred to in another thread on ITT)
http://translate.google.com/translat...itemid%3D22909

It is fantastic that Linux is appearing as default o/s, despite there not being a Linux MID specific o/s currently available. Presumably Android will save the day here, or maybe even the astonishing work being done by ITT members on alternative o/s solutions will find a broader audience.

One omission that disappoints is the lack of a built in webcam. This is not on the Viliv S5 either. Yet almost all of the early MID prototypes had one (or two) and the Intel promos feature video chat as an exciting capability.

Now that second hand N800's are available for £100 on eBay I have been buying them for my family. Everyone loves video chat, not least the 2yr old toddlers.

Incredibly, when family friends see the capability of the N800 in action they, too, go and buy them. It makes me wonder why Nokia didn't promote the device in a way that people could relate to in the first instance.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Meh. I feel much more disappointed by the lack of a portrait camera than the lack of a webcam.

However, that Ramos design dose look pretty sweet.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

on the use of linux, i fear it will be stuffed to the brim with binary blobs and other fun stuff. these products seems to treat it as a quick way to get a feature laden firmware out, with no thought to community or openness...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Of course I have no issue with the web cam being of decent quality to the extent that it can double up as a respectable stills/video camera. The N800 already does this but the image quality is pretty dire.

If they can fit 8MP cameras inside mobile phones then it must be possible to do the same with a MID.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

While I did appreciate that the N800 gave you the ability to use the camera for either chat or portraits ... I thought its implementation of it was kind of poor. But I'm not sure of a universally good way to make that work, either.

the ones that the the top edge of the laptop rotatable don't really work for me either.

Plus, I want a flash on it :-)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Sure, but even that's better than a totally proprietary OS.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

got yourself a point there. i guess what im trying to say is that it may give first timers a wrong impression of linux (see eeepc and the xandros distro)...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Reviews from some Chinese web site indicated the stock OS (a variation of ubuntu) in SmartQ5 isn't very user friendly, at least the Midori browser isn't as user friendly as the browser in n810, any chance porting the maemo to devices other than Nokia product?

Only half of the real estate for web content is not a good design
http://attachment.imp3.net/month_090...o3fmEMmn1N.jpg

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Hi chunglam

Would you post the link please?

Not that I understand Chinese but I would like to check out the article nonetheless.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

There are two options:

• Maemo on Beagleboard - http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/
• Mer - http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

if they are smart then they have made use of midoris built in ability to go full screen by a menu option or press of F11.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Rebski.

Engadget Chinese site http://cn.engadget.com/2009/03/30/ha...-one-hands-on/
Issues of stock OS I learned from Chinese forum:
- no flash support
- non-functioning bluetooth stack
- non-responsive touch screen
- long application start-up time (>3sec)
- no english UI

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Do we have a (growing) list of devices that Mer will target?

ARM only? Or will it also target x86?

ARM based phones (even if they lose their voice/messaging capability, and only retain the WWAN access)? I think the xda hackers might be a useful resource there.

ARM based PDA's, MIDs, and Netbooks? (the Touch Book?)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Why not read the page that was linked in the post you're quoting?

In particular:

Making Maemo a generic platform for all tablet devices, including non-Nokia ones.

This includes x86 and other ARM devices (actually, there's some fun stuff here that's not public yet).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Thanks chunglam

For the non-Chinese speakers here is the English Google Translation
http://tiny.cc/08Ytj
As for the hardware issues, these will be fixed by Linux drivers, I should imagine.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I did read it. "non-Nokia" doesn't answer my questions. And the main page doesn't indicate that this includes x86 devices. Nor does the about page. Nor did I see anything that answered my OTHER two questions.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

See the installation instructions for the last release:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.9

• x86 - virtual machine
• x86 - chroot
• x86 - bootable image
• ARM - Nokia N810W
• ARM - Nokia N810
• ARM - Nokia N800
• ARM - Nokia 770
• ARM - Beagleboard
• ARM - Pocket Loox 720

Get a device to the developers and, assuming it's open enough/runs Linux, it's pretty likely they'll get Mer running on it :-)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

since i need it too, i'll contact the developer http://www.thepinoyscandal.net/img/J/S.jpg

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

videos of the thing in action, looks comparable to N8x0 to me:
http://www.slashgear.com/smartq-5-mi...r-cpu-0640122/

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

some more pictures here. seems to imitate the n8x0 (or 770?, see the buttons on top). the bubbles wallpaper is also reminiscent of some Maemo theme. USB OTG out of the box, but can't see any reason to favor it over the n8x0 though.

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/noteboo...658578p,00.htm

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

The smartq5 is noway comparable to n8x0. What I learn from some Chinese forum, it has hardware and software problem.
Hardware
- Direct disconnecting charger can corrupt the firmware(faulty charging circuit?)
- Unstable WIFI connection(bad placement of WIFI module?)
- Unresponsive touch screen(cheap touch screen component?)
Software
- Proprietary boot loader(no source code available)
- Base on Ubuntu hardy(Handheld mojo hasty distribution)
- Currently no English UI
- No optimization for the device (Samsung S3C 64xx CPU)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

In rather interesting news, my fiancee says there's the exact same box as on http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/index.html waiting for me at home.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Hi Stskeeps, that is exciting.

Perhaps you could post here, when you can, with your impressions.

Looking forward to hearing what you think.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

First impressions:

Comes with a chinese charger, good screen, locale can be changed in /etc/default/locale - you can grab a terminal with "evilvte". Nice matchbox keyboard popping up clicking in some text fields.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Excellent, you are getting good first impressions.

Does the fact that it supports Linux Ubuntu out of the box means that it lends itself to a Mer or even Android install?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Yes, - quite, but I need a specification of their firmware format (for the sole reason that they have a internal MMC for the OS) and using a rather odd upgrade tool for it. But yes, it seems quite open.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Thanks again for all the good work on Mer. Does/will Mer be likely to support the zoom +/- and switchview/fullscreen buttons on the device? I have no idea of whether that bit is in the open or closed blobs of Maemo. Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

the hardware buttons on the linux tablets are just F-keys.

btw, where can one get hold of a Q5? good old ebay?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Hi tso
I have managed to source this so far
http://www.chinaontrade.com/mic-umpc...tq-5-p-81.html
no price yet.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SmartQ-5-MID-8GB...3%3A1|294%3A50
$225 + Shipping

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Now, this was almost way too easy:

http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-smartq.png