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I can't believe how much of a disaster this device has turned out to be. I just flashed my N810 with "RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", and when I go to refresh my package list, it sits with the updating progress dialog and does nothing.

I've had this N810 for almost a year now, and it has basically sat doing nothing the entire time.
The device is utterly useless. All UI operations are slow, unresponsive and laggy. I connect a Bluetooth keyboard to it and input is equally as slow. I enable a 128MB swap (why I should even have to do this blows my mind to bits).

I try to use the GPS and it can't get a lock to save it's life. I take one step and the damn thing loses sync and it's another 10 minutes for a lock. AGPS or not (which I can't bloody install after flashing today because for some reason any interaction with the repos dies half way through - if that even).

I don't know how so many people can be even moderately satisfied with devices that are less responsive than tiger toys. Is it just really low standards or is there some procedure I haven't followed to enable "the secret actually be responsive" mode?

How do I make this thing work properly? GPS? Responsiveness? I have a bluetooth keyboard, a 4GB SD tossed in there. Help me out.

I'm not kidding. If I could turn this into a slow mobile text mode demo web server I'd be happy! It's not like I'm asking for much! Heaven forbid I expect it to do half the things it says on the box with any degree of practical efficiency.

Sorry, I just can't believe I spent ~$400 on something that basically comes to my doorstep bricked. I was at least expecting to have a decent experience with even just ONE of the features advertised. But the N810 can't deliver on anything it promises on the box.

If there was a way to get my money back, I would. But I can't, so I'm forced to try and find whatever convoluted path other seemingly satisfied owners have followed to actually enjoy this ripoff.

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I'm somewhat with you on this.

The overall impression I get from my experience of using the N810 is that, it can do things, but do them slow, really slow. For example, video playback is not really that compatible with the DivX from the internet (the device just can't handle 350MB / 40minutes bitrate).

There's nothing that it can do that really shines. The product is not polished (just think about the overall performance / user experience), and I somewhat feel that all Nokia IT are marketed to fund R&D. It really is a half-*** attempt at producing a what could have been a great product.

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Pick up the pieces of your mind. Where did you learn that you had to enable a swap drive? That is untrue.

You might WANT to enable a swap drive, but that's s different story. You might do something similar in Windows, too -- would that blow your mind to bits? (Look under Control Panel in Windows, under something like Advanced System Performance, if you don't believe Windows could be so mind-bending)

I have run without either for months, and it works pretty well, so saying that you HAVE to have a swap drive, as you said, is just a lie.

It looks to me like there's something wrong with the way you have the packages installed, and you seem to be unhappy with performance. Therefore, why try to repeat failure -- are you trying to get a slow system again?

So, I would say, don't restore your backup. But you want to restore your backup anyway? Fine, enjoy your setup.

You don't seem to have the right temperament for your tablet, to tell the truth. Why don't you sell it?


My suggestion is that you don't restore the backup and check the performance. Is it dog slow?

You've already restored the backup? Reflashing is easy.

I already have an N800 and N810, but as an alternative, I'll buy your N810 for $50 and I'll let you know how I fixed it! I love mine.

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I'm only going to respond to say I'm not entering into the "who can be the biggest dick" contest you've put out for. Congratulations, you won it on your first try.

I don't pay $400 to be told what to expect.

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Omega,
I wasn't happy with the out of the box experience either, I found it slow and lacking in horsepower. My girlfriend however is constantly amazed at what it can do.

The videos you are playing are perfect for desktop use, but maybe you should try recoding them to mobile/tablet/ipod type resolution - its better on your battery and its certainly more playable.

Theres a few things its missing and certainly lots of deficiencies and I'm personally working towards making it work how I expect it to.
Heres my approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY

I didn't sit and complain in a forum though, part of the reason I bought this device was because it was open source.
It was created on the whole by people like you and me who wanted to make their computers do what they want it to.

Get stuck in, identify the problems, report on the bugs, try to help build a better device for everyone.

If you are unwilling to help then maybe geneven is right and you should pass yours onto a good home.

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I like to think of the device on the same terms as any other computer I buy. It's a reasonable bunch of hardware with which I can do whatever I want because Nokia is fairly open with it and provides us with the necessary tools.
For example, one can go so far as installing a new bootloader and operating system. (Eg: Android or Debian). This can be done without Nokia getting angry and trying to threaten people.

In that way, I personally have no trouble whatsoever with my N810, although Maemo is a bit on the heavy side for now. I still like Maemo, though. That may be since I develop with desktop Linux stuff so I'm a bit of a cheerleader for the different technologies employed in Maemo, like Telepathy and GTK+.

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Hehe... what's really cool about all these "slow and unresponsive"-things is:

Today, I wanted to watch a video on youtube on the desktop PC i'm working on right now. it was barely watchable because it stuttered so much. so i went to the other room and got my N800, where it played fine.

those who complain about the lack of speed probably are used to working on the latest desktop hardware and (because the tablet behaves so much like a desktop PC in everything) for some reason expect it to be as fast as their intel quadcore.

i'm still amazed at the speed of such a small, battery-friendly device.

@omega: you seem to be the wrong target group. sell it and do someone else a favor.

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I disagree and you basically undermine any notion of suitability for purpose. Don't sell it if it can't do what it's advertised to do.

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You know, it's a good suggestion to sell it and I gladly would. But I'm not going to take the whole $400 to the face so somebody else can have the device cheap.

That's a pretty cheap scheme if you ask me. All because the device can't do what it is advertised to do in any practical way.

This thing is a metaphor for a Flintstones car.

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Oops, too late. You are the big winner in this thread!

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I can stick unoptimized files on an ipod, or iphone. Does that mean the product is bad for media because it won't play my unoptimized files?

Likewise I realize that although my tablet is like a computer it is not at the same time one. It doesn't have the power of my dual core computers. So I realize things will be slow and I can't multitask as much. The processor itself is like an pentium 2. imagine running today's apps on a p2 processor!

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don't forget he said he had the device for a year and just now starting to use it. Why?

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In fact, the computer i wrote about here is a P2, and it's slower than my N800.

My laptop is a Celeron (500Mhz) and it feels slower than my N800 at certain tasks, too.

Both don't do very well as pocketable devices that run on batteries. ;)

So the bottom line is: people have computers in every day use that are way slower than a tablet. the tablets come with more horsepower, a full-fledged desktop OS, are pocketable and run miles without a re-charge. - if this is what you want, keep it. if you want the power of a quadcore CPU, don't expect it in this form factor. yet. ;)

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You guys all basically hijacked the discussion into some insecurity contest over why the N810 shouldn't be a high end gaming machine.

At no point did I ever imply that, so I'm not sure where you guys are coming up with this garbage.

My best guess on your assumptions is that you all have some kind of predisposition to anyone making a critical analysis of the device.

You're all way off the mark and have very low standards.

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Your first post doesn't look like a critical analysis to me.

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When i purchased my n810 i had a choice between that and the T-mobile G-1 phone. When i first got my Tablet i was a little disappointed and i started to get a little buyer's remorse. Add the fact that Freemantle won't support my device i almost put my tablet up on ebay. However, when i initially purchased the tablet I was looking for a replacement for my desktop and was having unrealistic expectations for the device. What i use my device for now is as a Portable Media player to which it seems to be well suited for.

I don't think it's the fact that the community has low standard for this device, it's that we're a group of people who like to tinker as evidenced by the fact that there are multiple alternative Operating systems to maemo and i can honestly say that no two people use their tablet in the same manner. The reason i bring this up is because we like to tinker we are a little bit more okay with a less than polished device. Most of us do not have delusions of grandeur that our tablet is an iPhone or iPod Touch but most of us like that fact. It's the open architecture that lets use do with it what we want unlike having a locked down apple device. But the trade off of the open architecture and having a community of non-professional developers, you get to do what you want with the device but you may not get as polished a product. That is not to say that non-professional developers can't do as polished product as apple, i love canola's UI and those doing work on mer and android are absolutely amazing i wish i could help out with the cause but i lack the skill set to do anything useful.

So if you're unhappy with the device I do agree with the others and you should cut your losses and part ways with the device. Just understand that you won't get your full 400 dollars back from it because it's selling brand new for 200 bucks.

Good Luck and i hope do you find a use for the device if not i hope it doesn't wind up being a 400 dollar paperweight.

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You guys are such losers. You got punked by an oldy-but-a-goody: the dickbot. But not to worry, by its naming scheme it might be the last of its kind.

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Troll,
The n810 is the only open pocketable device that is widely available supported by a major company, if you don't like it sell it. I find it the most useful piece of mobile technology I have ever owned, and a lot of people on this forum gladly accept its shortcomings because of its benefits.

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Nobody is saying it should be a high end gaming machine. I am simply responding to this particular comment you made.

The other problems I've never had. And I don't have an n810 so I can't speak about it's GPS capabilities (I use an external bluetooth dongle that works fine). Perhaps you should re-read your first post before you make another post complaining about how we're all off the mark?

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I got an N800 as a gift a couple of years ago from a friend who didn't have the patience to use it, and wanted to get an Iphone.

I must say the first impact was not great, I had zero experience with linux, and I had no clue as to the device's potential. I placed it aside to never touch it until about a year later.
Started messing with the device and fell in love.

At this moment I can confidently say that this is one of the best pieces of technology I have ever owned. I could not envision my life without it.
I purchased a gps receiver and use it to navigate with maemo mapper on a regular basis.
I use it as a media center for movies, tv shows, music, podcasts. and works great.
I use it with Xchat and stay in touch with the IRC community 24/7, I play a web based game competitively and irc is vital for this game.
I am able to seamlessly do the following at the same time: be logged onto xchat, listen to music, and navigate with maemo mapper in my car. I have the device plugged into my civic's audio input Jack.
I use facebook on it, youtube, do my banking, or browse any website.
I have the e-mail system configured for both my personal and business e-mails, and receive all e-mails immediately.
I use the calendar and todo gpe progs to organize my business and my life.
I have the debian package distro whatever it's called I don't even know cause I suck at linux, but it lets me use Open Office 2.4, and use that on a regular basis for all office documents.

Of course my device is connected through my 3G cell phone and has internet wherever I am 24/7

etc. etc. etc. there are many other things I do with it that I'm not gonna list.

To me it is like another appendage, my wife sometimes hates me because she has to share me with the N800.

There definitely are some limitations to the device, and to get it working the way you want it you definitely have to tinker with it for a while, and have the patience to troubleshoot like crazy... but once you get it the way you want it, and once you learn how to get the device to do what you want, there's nothing like it.

None of my friends who all have iphones, can do everything I can do. I would not trade it for anything.

Can't wait for the next tablet!!!

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I got my N810 five days ago. I'm saying this to put my post into perspective; with five days using it I can't be called a 'guru' in this.

The UI is somewhat slow, yes, but faster than a hx4700 that I'm currently borrowing (with its 600+ MHz processor).

Maybe it's just luck, but today I got the GPS locked in 10 secs with 10 satellites. And I live in a place that doesn't like satellites (of any kind).

Both?

Well, today I managed to watch TV streamed from my PC in a really nice quality. And when I say 'nice' I mean I'm watching tennis and I can clearly see the ball.

Well, as you see, I don't think I'd call this a ripoff. Yeah, this gadget is probably not noob-friendly, but I have little to none experience with Linux systems (last thing I used was actually Unix and that was more than 8 years ago) and in 5 days I've managed to get this thing working even better and with more features than advertised. Of course, I've spent a lot of time here in ITT and in maemo.org looking for HOWTOs, tutorials, bugfixes, etc., to get my Windows Remote Desktop, a couple of emulators, a good mediaplayer and a lot more things working, but I usually like to play with my toys, and this toy is played this way.

Soooooo, maybe the hardware is not that bad and maybe the software isn't that bad either. Maybe you bought a device you don't know how to use.

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Poor Omega. (s)he bought the N810 when it was $400 and then waited until it was $220 at WalMart to realize that it wasn't what (s)he wanted. Too late now to return it.

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Interesting method of departure:

• put fresh, stinking pile up for sale
• gas up and turn on flamethrower
• exaggerate while laying waiste

Sweet!

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I think one of the things that NITs are really lacking for the general public is an iTunes-like file/media management application that converts anything that's imported into the system for the best overall tablet performance (e.g., audio, video, etc, should be able to be imported at any resolution and converted for best performance on the tablet without the user having to download any additional third-party software or installing any additional tablet applications -- heck, it should even have a "convert ogg to mp3" option).

Most of the complaints about NITs aren't really about the NITs themselves, but about how to get "source" expectations to convert to "tablet" expectations.

Tim

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Tim, that's an interesting concept. Nokia could make some sort of artificial gateway / converter for loading media onto the tablet, and word things in the instruction manual in such a way that new / inexperienced users think that they need to use this converter to get their media to transfer. The desktop interface would have a library and media player, just like iTunes, and a plug-and-play tablet converter and downloader. Since the tablets have wifi, the app should be able to search the local network and let you connect to your tablet wirelessly, too.

From what I've seen, however, the new devices won't need a converter, they'll run most video (maybe even HD) at full speed. That's pretty exciting.

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Lol @ "the dickbot" And for omega's comment..."dont sell it if it doesnt do what its advertised to do" Im guessing you are probably single cause ive sure as hell never met a woman that done what she advertised a year later. LOL

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Right! Internet Tablet Video Converter, recently killed just like Nokia Internet Call Invitation, the Video Center Catalogue etc., was a good step in the right direction:
There should be one application to "copy your files to the tablet" that also optimizes them for the devices (video, but also audio files, even images... large 8MP-pictures right from your camera maybe look just as good on the tablet if resized to 800x480).

And it should be an application for (*sigh*) Windows, because this is what most people have.

As long as I can still experiment with mencoder-settings to get even better results for videos or copy the original, unchanged photo over via the normal file manager, why not?
The trick will be to present this as the "Copy to Tablet"-application, rather than the "re-encode video"-application. ;)

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There, IFTFY.

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syncing is too complicated a concept for most people to understand. - complaints about the itunes software are mostly about something that has to do with syncing gone wrong.

copy is better.

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i bought my n810 for the gps-it constantly logons under a minute---the rest of the stuff is nowhere near as good as a hp ipaq 212 running windows 6-

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First the ruckus in Bundyo's Tear thread, now this...is Spring Troll Season or what ? :-)

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No, I think it's the Lack of New Toys Syndrome.

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"At this moment I can confidently say that this is one of the best pieces of technology I have ever owned. I could not envision my life without it.
I purchased a gps receiver and use it to navigate with maemo mapper on a regular basis.
I use it as a media center for movies, tv shows, music, podcasts. and works great.
I use it with Xchat and stay in touch with the IRC community 24/7, I play a web based game competitively and irc is vital for this game.
I am able to seamlessly do the following at the same time: be logged onto xchat, listen to music, and navigate with maemo mapper in my car. I have the device plugged into my civic's audio input Jack.
I use facebook on it, youtube, do my banking, or browse any website.
I have the e-mail system configured for both my personal and business e-mails, and receive all e-mails immediately.
I use the calendar and todo gpe progs to organize my business and my life.
I have the debian package distro whatever it's called I don't even know cause I suck at linux, but it lets me use Open Office 2.4, and use that on a regular basis for all office documents.

Of course my device is connected through my 3G cell phone and has internet wherever I am 24/7"

There's a place on one of the Wikis for "how I use my tablet" Someone should copy this classic passage into that. I would do it, but I can't remember where it is.

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Something... Like this ? The music/photo options slid off but you get the idea :)

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also, if that is QT, its compilable and runnable and installable on any of the OSes most people have.

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can't really tell from the screenshot, but i'd say: no.

there shouldn't be any encoding settings/options at all. the whole UI should be about getting a file from the desktop PC to the tablet, nothing else. so basically a file-magaer with a panel for the tablet or something like that.

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Yes, I'd better make a video of how it works. The settings/options are opened because it's in advanced mode (see the 'basic' button ? that would the frame with the extra params go away). Also, it's fully drag and drop. So if you have autostart jobs enabled, you just drop an .avi, or an url link on it's surface and that's it. But enough of the chatter, I'll open a separate topic when I have the demo video.

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LOL. Troll threads can be so entertaining.

I totally sympathize with Omega. I had a similar experience recently: I bought a Toyota Tercell a year ago and I was FURIOUS that it's not as fast as my friend's Corvette!
If they didn't want it to be as fast, then why did they put a speedometer on it that goes up to 115? Freakin rip-off!
I mean, if it's not as fast as that corvette shouldn't it at least be able to pull my boat like my Hummer? That salesman lied to me. He claimed that these were the Toyotas were the most reliable cars I could get, but it hasn't reliably been faster than a Corvette or strong as a Hummer.

Stupid piece of crap! I'm thinking I should sue Toyota for my money.

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The thread tags say it all.

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Totally agreed. You should sue them for not making your Tercell as good as a Lexus car at least.

OK we all should sue Nokia if they will come out with a better machine in a near future.