Best Mobile PIM ever?
 

What is your choice? I, personally, still think the Palm PIM suite is the best I have used on a mobile device. Even the latest phones seem to be much weaker in this aspect.

To qualify for me a PIM must have contacts,calendar,todo/task,notes

Of course I have not used many others so I am curious to hear other opinions

Symbian, Iphone, RIM, ....?

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For me, the Palm TX is still #1.
I tried to make the N810 replace it, but ended up going back to the Palm TX.

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DateBK by Pimlico is the best PIM I've seen so far.

How I wish there was a good PIM for the tablet! But as it is I still use my T5 for PIM and the tablet is merely a toy. :(

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Symbian 60 ser. 3 has served me well a couple of years, especially with the "Search" program.
Palm seems to have about the same functionality.

Why not run Palm within your IT, using Garnet VM ?
On my N810 I can use the keyboard with Palm.

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This is easy, pi-sync for the Zaurus. Effectively KOrganizer on a pda http://kontact.kde.org/korganizer/

I can't see how anything even comes close.

But then you could say that for most of the software for the Zaurus.

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Because it doesn't work. The VM is very unstable and blows up, taking all your apps and data with it, when an alarm goes off.

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KOrganizer wasn't meant for a PDA and works very poorly on it. I have a Zaurus SL-C760 and KOrg was extremely cumbersome to use.

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My personal opinion - and that shared (AFAICT) by anyone who ever used it - EPOC R5, as seen in the Psion Revo, Series 5(mx), Series 7 and netBook:

Revo screenshots (lower res than on the other devices):
http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics...epocr5-1-1.png
http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics...epocr5-1-1.png

netBook (a bit bigger ;-)):
http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/netbook/Agenda.gif

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That is a matter of opinion. I have a SL-C1000 and get on fine with it. It would be better on an N800 size screen but that is not the software's fault.

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Thanks for the tip, I had considered trying it myself.
Guess I 'll stay symbian for a while.

( I use Garnet for bokreading, library e-books are coded (in Sweden) and Mobipocket/Palm is the only decoding reader I have found.)

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My personal favorite is one I was familiar with back in the 80's...

Her name was Linda. :)

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Hi,

I was always fond of the Clie Organizer app on the TH55 by Sony.

David

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Pocket Informant, hands down. I bought Agendus 5 & 6, and DateBk 4 & 5 over the years... They're very good but PI (version 4 was the last I used) stomped all over them. I can't even imagine how much better it is now.

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Absolutely 100% spot on Andrew. I was going to say the same until I saw that you already had.

I still used my 5MX for syncing to outlook until last year (when work provided me with a blackberry)

Gaz

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I find that the suite of PIM software (Calendar, Contacts, Messaging) on my Nokia 9300 (Symbian 80) is very well thought-out, integrated and reliable.

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Has this syncing support? How does it compare to the default PIM for Zaurus? If it is indeed very good it is a bummer this didn't take off.

I like the one from Nokia E-Series. While I'm not sure it is the best (due to lack of experience with the many alternatives existing) It is good enough to suit my needs.

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Don't know what is the best but sad fact about PIM on NITs is that even simple organizer on Nokia 2630 beat everything hands down.

And Palm things although great beasts don't count due to instability of Garnet VM :(

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I'm with the first poster on this - I still use my trusty Palm PDA for PIM stuff. Nothing on the tablet is even close.

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The PIM on S60 has been pretty solid for me, I used to use a Palm TX and then Winmo 5 on an iPaq but found out that I don't need too much to be happy. I find GPE on the tablets adequate which probably shows how much of a PIM noob I am.

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Still carrying my T5.

What really expands the use of DateBk is it's integration with the contacts (in addition to it's Ronco-sized listed of features). Templates and updates to the contact's information fields (when was the last appointment...) is something I use quite regularly.

Pimlical looks hopeful -- but waiting on a Linux implementation. With my luck, it'll want java ...

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And calendar alarms are no fun if it's not actively running ... (sigh).....

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Ahhh... A "laptop" model. :)

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I liked Clié Organizer.

Nowadays I just prefer syncing to Evolution, so gpe is mostly enough for me.

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For synchronizing Outlook data to a Palm device, Beyond Contacts was the best application I found. If DataViz offered a Maemo version, I'd buy it just to more easily carry my work calendar with me.

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I'm rather happy with GPE, really. Actively developed, open source project, mature, synchronizing it with my Linux desktop is reasonably easy with opensync (though not as easy as with PalmOS for some reason)... only real problem is that the alarm kills kittens.

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For me the best would be the Palm OS5 PIM application. I don't have much experience with anything else however. Right now I am using GPE suite on the N810.

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Best ever, for me, was / is a Newton 2100 and / or the eMate 300. Fantastic variety of input options, truly powerful PIM software, large screen, and a very good set of other apps to boot. And for me (and for most other long-term users) the printed handwriting recognizer worked fabulously well out of the box, and the cursive (if trained) really well too.

Cheers,
Jon

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Actually the Ka/Pi (Platform independant), Ko/Pi were indeed quite usable - though they are definitely not finger-friendly (but the Zaurus and all PDA's at that time were Stylus dependant).

http://www.pi-sync.de/html/projects.html

The best thing about the mobile KDE PIM suite was that it was very configurable visually - and you could increase/decrease the amount of information you wanted to see on the screen real-estate and also size and hide windows and frames etc.

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same here.

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Not the version that I tried on my Zaurus.

I've never seen this. Every version that I tried worked like it was on a desktop system - and had all the screen real estate of a desktop system.

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And no syncing. Although this was less a problem back in the days when you had a dedicated organizer.

BTW, to all participants of this thread please also see Task:PIM on Maemo wiki. This is about defining appropriate PIM functionality on the tablet. IMO people with good past experiences able to define the good (and bad) aspects of past PIM products are valuable assets in this process.

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Hi,

I think I might be hijacking this thread. I've been carring both a Palm and N800. My Palm has finally died and I need a PIM. I currently use Outlook and it looks like nothing will sync Outlook to the N800.

I'm after an alternative solution now, is there a Lynx equivalent to Outlook which I can run on Windows XP that uses opensync or some other sync software to sync with the N800. I would also need to import my information from Outlook into this new software.

I know I could go the Google route, however I don't always have access to the internet and I prefer to keep my information locally.

Thanks

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GTD Tiddly Wiki?

ok, no alarms.

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Any PalmOS Treo and an N8x0 make a great pair.
Datebook in hand and tethering for the bigger screen.
Acknowledge that nothing yet does it all and carry on.

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Indeed.

It makes you think when you notice that the PalmOS' PIM suite has virtually no features -- but those it has at least work.
Right now I've been battling with Evolution/GPE sync, since Evo seems to believe all of my GPE appointments are in UTC and as such likes to move them around the day (no matter whatever I put in the "time zone" field, it either goes back to UTC or puts itself in $RANDOM_TIME_ZONE).
I've already shut down alarms -- it was waking me up every other hour. Go figure.. I don't even use different timezones!

One of my long-term plans is to develop yet another Maemo PIM suite. My ideal is that the _same_ application should run both on the tablet and on the desktop, and they have to sync seamlessly -- no outlook, no evo, no mismatched fields, no different recurring appointment algorithm, etc. With the same set of features the Palm(One) PIM suite has (and maybe some Clie Organizer-like sketching). In C (fast startup).
Unfortunately, my to-do list is way too long. :(

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One of the things that makes Datebook on the Palm work
is that Palm is a realtime OS. It doesn't multitask.
It always knows what the current state of everything is.
When you open the calender, it knows you want to look at now, today.

Maemo's not. If your PIM's not running, you get no alarms.
If your PIM is running, it's going to show you the last time you looked at it.
It won't wake up if it's off. Palms don't have an off.
Nokia has said all along that the NITs are not PDAs. They're right.

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This is nothing to do with Maemo, but with the lack of integration and polish on the PIM apps available.

Maemo has full support for alarms going off when the app which set them is not running, or the tablet as a whole is switched off. If your favourite app doesn't use the alarm API that's not a fault of the OS - or its multitasking nature.

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That's only partly true. It uses a realtime kernel, but hardly a realtime OS (none of the applications being ready for that).
It uses a multitasking kernel, but it's hardly a multitasking OS (no memory protection at all between tasks, "create_thread"-like API reserved to system applications)

Yes, that's exactly the kind of feature I would be aiming for.

Tell that to my tablet. He seems to enjoy waking me up way too early :(

This is the second time I read that. Well, I don't think this is a problem with the NIT itself, but rather available software.

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installing gpesummary, and having it displayed on the tabest "desktop" should take care of that...

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I agree. This was the all time champion. If this was ported to maemo I could die happy.