Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

personally i cant stand the amount of scrolling.... I'm a busy man people!

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=28621
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=28594

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Case and point for a 1 line post......

Alright.... i'm out

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Rather than posting new threads to complain, why not go ahead and file an enhancement request with your suggestions? :)

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Yeah, I find myself coming to these forums less, because I am thoroughly bored by all the talk about how much better the old light bulb was.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

You can't blame overfloat for asking the question.

"Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?"

It's a valid question. Can as aesthetics turn people off to coming to a website?

Absolutely, it can.

Not to mention they took the Dark hacker look, and made it into a corporate drone.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

He's a busy man, dude.

BTW, perhaps redundant threads like these should simply be closed...

IF the new thread has merit it could be merged with an existing thread but that becomes a PITA after awhile.

Simply closing 'em does wonders though. :)

Edit: I did like your apples and oranges links BTW, overfloat. Forums should also be entertaining, IMHO. :)

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I should also be able to type Maemo.org and not be harassed. I should also be able to open a thread even if some people don't like it. I am hoping that ITT won't turn into some censored forum run by anal geeks. It seems like the path down this road has perhaps already begun. I hope ITT will continue to be a "FUN" place to visit.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Put yourself in somebody else's shoes. Do you really think it's "fun" for the people who worked on the theme to come here to lots of complaining? Or fun for people who would rather be doing productive things to have to look at all the complaining?

Fun for you isn't necessarily fun for everybody.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

The 1st thread is/was? for bug complaints, not for theme/format complaints as was mentioned several times in that thread. The 2nd thread is a poll asking whether or not the new format/theme is liked more or less than the old.

This seems like a valid question tha might have gotten lost in the other two threads or deemed "off-topic".

To answer the question, the new format/theme likely would have little influence on the amount of my visiting. However, if there were to be a spike in threads that arguably have merit (and could be seen as complaints/critisizing) being closed, that would quickly end my time here.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Poor implementation is poor implementation. Just having a working color scheme similar to ITT before go live, would have made transition easier for MANY of those people who voted "it was way better before".

The reason people are "complaining" as you put it. I would say b1tching, pissing, stomping freaking mad!!! That may sound ridiculous, but when a site you love and visit every day suddenly hurts your eyes, Its not really surprising to me people are "complaining".

"complaining" causes change, if not immediately, hopefully people will learn from the "complaining" for future endeavors.

To quote you "Put yourself in somebody else's shoes." for once..

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, welcome to IT

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Personally, I like the color changes. The "dark hacker look" thing is anything but universal. Here's a hacker who likes bright better :).

I did have some issues with the new layout when it was launched initially. Some have already been addressed since then, one even in direct response to a request of mine (respecting the option to hide avatars properly). I.e. I've found the guys in charge to be attentive and quick to respond. Kudos.

The new theme (a) works way better than the old default on my N810 (much, much speedier) and (b) has more features than the "Minimalistic" one I used previously (because the default was slow). Bottom line, it's best of both worlds to me. I expect to visit the forums more now.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

If all the old themes were left as options, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I guess iTt is not a democracy. You get what you are given.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Considering Reggie just addressed another wish - for tighter vertical spacing - I'd say the government is listening to its constituents ;).

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Change itt black!!!

Please

I filed a bug
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4437

I will donate money

Can't they copy the default theme and just change the damn color scheme???

CHANGE ITT BLACK

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Sure, I can't see anything wrong with offering a dark variant of the default theme for those who prefer it either, especially when those who want it are happy with the new theme otherwise. As long as I get to keep the bright one :D.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

True that... but this forum has to be of service too.
No one likes change... period. But the best thing about this cosmetic change is that it is happening now and not later.

Right now the only service aspect that I'm coming here for is yerga's up coming Stocks application for Maemo and any new Apps that may be announced... I doubt Nokia is going to release any Diablo upgrades :)

If they were, we would all be here regardless of the font size or dang color scheme.

But penguin please...
A thread asking people who aren't here to reply?
The point he was trying to make could of just as easily been made in your thread and as a matter of fact it was.
On a side note... Reggie is reacting to comments and suggestions in yours and other threads on the fly. I have seen three significant changes in as many hours tonight. If he has to monitor even more threads I fear the dude will burn out in the middle of a change and we'll all get stuck with some Salvidor Dali looking, time warped theme or suttin'. :eek:

I think I'm feeling where you are coming from but the real change in this forum I'm afraid has already occurred. One of the attractions for me was that it did appear to be an alternative to Maemo.org. and that no longer is the case it seams.

***
For good or ill, enthusiasts need an alternative to the status quo. Corporations in the past couple of years have gotten the "Forum" religion and see it as way to control their products message. That may or not be so in this case but things have changed here none the less.

It has been my experience that the need for enthusiasts to create and maintain a culture that is separate and apart from a corporate controlled culture is so great that new forums will pop up overnight. Some become much more popular than the corporate sponsored ones.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

It's exactly threads like this and mine, along with filing bug requests that will give the powers that be a clear understanding that not everyone is happy with this upgrade.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4437

I am asking for a duplicate theme with alternate colors. This will solve my main issues with the site.

The good news, they are listening, I believe there will be a new theme coming that will be more aligned with the original ITT site, at least as far as color scheme. I also believe this will be happening sooner, rather than later or not at all.

Perhaps I am wrong, then I will just continue to piss and moan. As ******ed as my poll may have been, it shows at least 49 out of 110 or 44% people think ITT was better before.

I reserve the right to try to get what I want, and b1tch about it when I don't :D :D :D

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Without the advanced-backlight applet I wouldn't be able to read this forum in the morning or the evening.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Well, if you do something for the people, it comes without a saying that you should expect that people will not like it and adjust your work accordingly. In this particular case, the new design does waste lots of space and requires insane amounts of scrolling, so the poster is right. The way to deal with it is not to look offended but to fix the layout, quickly, by reducing margins, removing unnecessary elements, and making it look more similar to the old layout (without sacrificing the new style of course).

You are not really required to read all these threads. I do not.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Clearly you haven't been paying attention as this is exactly what Reggie's been doing. . . .

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I was actually looking for real feedback on whether people are spending less time on the site - perhaps i should have made a poll

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Why do we need an alternative to maemo.org? maemo.org is our site; Nokia kindly pay the bills and pay for 4 full-time members of staff, and additional contractors for other work we want.

Can you give examples? Theme changes don't count (the theme was designed by a member of the community, implemented on talk by Reggie etc.) Moderators are drawn from the community (who've volunteered). This is no more a Nokia product forum now than it was in October 2005.

Like Tablet Scene? Nothing is stopped new fora being developed, but I singularly fail to see the point at the moment.

Some scenarios:

• Nokia somehow get themselves more moderators, and then start stamping down hard on threads critcial of them/deleting posts.
• Nokia pull the funding plug.
• Nokia take back control of maemo.org
• ...

First thing that'd happen is that the Community Council (our community council) would try to make them realise the error of their ways; but as a final resort, Reggie pulls talk.maemo.org back out to internettablettalk.com, reinstates adverts and possibly asks for donations to cover the costs.

Are there other scenarios you can think of which could be detrimental to this place? (Apart from every other thread being full of theme whining) Is there any evidence in your eyes that any of these scenarios are coming to play?

Yes, we've now got moderators; and yes, they're still figuring out the best way of doing it. But they're not Nokia sponsored, they're giving up their time to do it for free and we - as a forum - have been asking Reggie for moderators since I joined back in October 2005.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I have. It is not enough yet, though. BTW, just tried to access the ITT site from my phone and found that the mobile layout is also gone, while the default one is nearly impossible to browse with a phone (generic S60e3 with its builtin WebKit-based browser). Another small thing to import from the old design, I guess...

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I still keep coming to these forums as often as before, but thanks for the minimalistic theme.
Not to repeat myself again, I'll resume my issues with the new theme as pure usability/ergonomics ones.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I find myself coming her less after I found a server to play wow for free. :p

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

The people that run this forum messed up when they forced this theme down everyone's throats. I only visit here to see if they've allowed us to use the old theme options again or not. I can't stand the contrast, spacing, colors,etc so yes I do come here less often after the theme change was forced on me. Letting users at least choose the default vBulletin them is a must. I tried limping along with the minimalist theme, but it's too... minimal. Talk about wasting time fixing something that wasn't broken. As if there wasn't productive things around here that could have been accomplished instead.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Sure I'd like a full featured dark theme. And sure I'd like for my eyeballs not to burn even when I set advanced-backlight to 1. But I come here for the content, not the colors. And because of the huge speed increase I'm coming here more often. We have good access to the site maintainers, and if need be, I'll fix things up on the client side like I have to do to make Engadget tablet-friendly. Things could be worse.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Part of the reason minimalist theme was never finish in first place was I didn't feel my work was liked that well. Now on my thread to improve it I'm getting attacked for changing color schemes like the gray and orange was my idea(btw I like the gray and orange).

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I miss the mouse-over 1st post extract.

RE: the orange and grey?....now it looks like a thousand other blogs out there.

I *DO* like the active topics sidebar though and it *IS* "finger-friendly".

*** postscript: I don't miss the overly large and "retro" banner title on the old format.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Andrew, I wouldn't say "attacked"... I would say "pleaded with", as people see you as providing an alternative to the new maemo theme, not quite realising yet that you aren't free to do so :-)

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Yes for me.

maemo.org header?
new sub-forum structure?
where is newbie sub-forum?

But try this. Take some before and after screen shots; show them to some person who is not involved; ask them to compare the forums; and have them say what they see. I think you will also get the response that they are different forums.

Forums are like people - they have a personality and a feel to them. Just like you can't transplant an organ from one person to another and claim that they are the same person because they have the same guts. This forum will be different because it will have the maemo.org feel to it instead of the more open itt feel.


should be more like "maemo.org somehow get themselves more moderators, and then start stamping down hard on posts critical of them"

How many mods have been appointed who were active in the forum, but who are not active in maemo.org? That would be the cooperative thing to do to show that you respect the interests of other forum members who are not maemo.org centric.

maemo.org has a plan and you're executing on it. Fine, and perhaps that's even what you should do to support the OS. But it's the pretense that you're not changing the forum which deserves the criticism it has received.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

The sight definitely doesn't flow the same way as the prior - it'll take some time getting used to.

However the retina-burn from the brightness over the prior iteration of ITT though; I'll cope. But dang it's bright now.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I have been changing font colors, link colors, and stuff. The darker orange and darker fonts I think makes a huge difference.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

you make it sound like maemo.org was some barbarian army that won a battle against the itt crowd. maemo.org is what we call the community of people who care about internet tablets and Maemo. http://www.maemo.org is a website that helps them keep in touch, exchange information etc.

maemo.org isn't "them". it's you. you're part of it, like it or not. when maemo.org makes a decision, you're invited to take part in the discussion and offer your opinion. they don't exclude anybody. you only have to do it at the right time, when they all discuss it.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

I agree, the darker orange is better on the eyes! Also, I still monitor this forum about 9 hours per day - Monday through Friday.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

Except that they discussed the look of a site maemo.org, why would a user of the site internettablettalk.com involve herself in a discussion of a sit she does not use? Nobody said that internettablettalk.com will also be made to look like that. In all the "mockups", there was not a single forum page.

Re: Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after the change of image?
 

It was actually formally announced late last year: http://www.internettablettalk.com/20...-talkmaemoorg/

"So, what does this mean? Well basically, the itT forums will become talk.maemo.org by early next year. The discussions will be carried over, the forum features will be retained, the forum look will change, moderators and admins will be added, the ads will be removed, and will still run on the same fast server you have all been enjoying for several years now."