Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

I don't know if this is just me, but some of the section titles at the top of every maemo.org page seem a bit unclear. Some are absolutely fine, but some are a bit deceptive to newcomers.

Just to go through them one by one...

Intro
Sounds like it contains: An introduction to the maemo software platform
Actual content: An introduction to the maemo development community

Downloads
Sounds like it contains: Maemo software downloads
Actual content: Maemo software downloads

Community
Sounds like it contains: Forum/message board
Actual content: Maemo documentation and useful links

Development
Sounds like it contains: Maemo developer tools and docs
Actual content: Maemo developer tools and docs

News
Sounds like it contains: News about the Maemo platform
Actual content: News about anything that a select group of bloggers feel like talking about, dominated by news about the Maemo platform

Talk
Sounds like it contains: Chat room
Actual content: Forum/message board

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

This introduction is old and will be updated (probably once maemo.nokia.com and Maemo @ Forum Nokia go live).

. . . and the mailing lists, IRC, News and links to Talk. The content needs some tweaking, but the title seems perfectly appropriate to me.


Um, I'm not sure I see what the problem is here. Yes, News includes the highly rated posts from Planet (and, well, Planet) these things are all News.

Really, I think you may be confusing the historical place of maemo.org with its place now. It's the home of the Maemo community, and so news from that community would seem appropriate to a News section on maemo.org, no? maemo.org is not the home of Maemo the software platform (platform announcements are filed under Announcements anyway). Arguably that's nokia.come

It was discussed rather extensively, and it's the name that was agreed upon. If a really good alternative proposal comes along, then it can be considered, but unless you have a proposal, there's little point in messing with it again so soon after the first name change has gained momentum.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Maybe this is just me, but usually sites have a link called "Forum" or "Message Boards"?

I'm not hugely bothered about any of this one way or another, but I thought it was worth at least raising and I couldn't find any existing threads about this. Just trying to improve the site. :-)

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Talk is more of a "brand" much like internet tablet Talk, and something of an evolution of it. "Forums" and "Message Boards" are not brands.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

How about this as a compromise: keep the current section names, but put very brief descriptions under them?

For example Talk could have "Message Board" underneath it in small letters.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Not only will that destroy the visual image the designer put together, but there's no way you're fitting message board under TALK in a legibly sized font. ;)

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Obviously you'd have to reformat a bit, but I think they could do with reformatting anyway because for example Downloads is almost three times bigger than Talk. That doesn't really make any sense from a usability point of view.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Really, I think we just need to look at fixing up the content. The sections were discussed quite heavily on the mailing lists a few months ago during the earlier stages of the redesign. Trust me when I say a lot of thought when into them. ;)

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

So what you're saying is, if something was discussed on the mailing lists then we should just put up and shut up?

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Not quite as in-your-face, but it could be done in the title tag of the link as well so that hovering over the link would say "Message Board."

Likewise, it could say "Forum" instead of "Message Board."

I'd have to see how it'd look in the design, though -- anyone's welcome to mock something up. ;)

Tim

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Talk is a great name and I don't see any reason to change or explain it. Just my opinion

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

As proposed today in the maemo-community list while discussing where to put "Brainstorm" in the navigation bar:

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

English speakers often use the term."Talk is cheap"...
A Forum has been around since Cesare was a luitenant...

It doesn't bother me either way but as long as it is in discussion, that was my two cents worth of input :)

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

No, what I'm saying is that the top-level navigation wasn't arrived at arbitrarily and that you should be aware that there's been a significant amount of discussion on the subject.

Can we leave the paranoia and sarcasm in un-constructive threads, please? I'm not sure my constitution can take any more of it. :(

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

My response also on -community[1], echoing what GeneralAntilles said below:

[1] Modest seems to have really screwed up the threading. Damn.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

A mockup you ask for, a mockup you shall recieve: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/46230/mockup/maemomockup.htm

It's OK... The subtitles could probably use some work, but it shows how this can be accomplished legibly. Although, I don't think it looks that great... I think if we want to explain things more, the title attribute on the link would be the best place to do so.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

TrueJournals: Thanks, but, yeah... It's ugly. Subjective, yes, but... Well, as you said, it needs work.

Tim

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Could you do the same mockup but with the smaller text (i.e. the subtitles below the main labels) in a dark orange colour?

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Not sure if it's any better or worse... It's definitely different: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/46230/moc...emomockup2.htm

Maybe I should use a different shade of orange? I just grabbed this one from the link color.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Yeah, that sort of "makes my eyes burn." :p

Tim

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Could you try a darker orange and a dark-ish grey? (as two separate mockups I mean...)

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

I still want Texas Longhorn orange... BURNT. :p

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Try it without the orange and only using your sub-titles as the new titles and I believe Krisse's original point is best illustrated.

If you must use subs on that bar, try them at a lighter shade of gray perhaps.

Re: Do the maemo.org section titles need to be renamed?
 

Yes, I third gray. Maybe like #B0B0B0.