Will nokia release a Maemo 5 internet tablet?
 

Since the other thread is discussing the rumored n900 which in fact is a maemo phone, i wanted this thread specifically for a meamo 5 internet tablet as we know.

So what constitutes an internet tablet?

I think it should be something hardware wise similar to the 770/n800/n810 and should be running fremantle with at least the following features mentioned in the maemo 5 road map.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle

The addition of gsm for data only or voice may or may not be an addition. But the most important part is that the screen size greater than equal to 4.13"

So the question is do you think we will have one from nokia within the near future?

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lol. The short answer is yes. The n900 was the rumored name for the next tablet since it fit with the naming patterns already in place. The NX-51 is the codename and so far we've discovered that it'll have some other wild name that has not yet been decided on. For all we know, it may be called the n830, or n850, or even the n5000. All we know is that it's coming. What it'll be called is anybody's guess.

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No, they will not. Skip all the other posts on that other thread, and read only those by Quim, Ragnar, and Peter. I wish it were otherwise, I think they're mistaken, but they are relentless in saying there's an insufficient market for such a device.

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Insufficient market? Good lord, they had trouble keeping the n800 and n810 in stock, and you call that insufficient market!? Seriously, if that's what they call insufficient market, I'd hate to see what a sufficient one looks like. o_0

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Do you think that is what is going to happen? Reading thier posts... i also felt the same thing. But the optimist in me is not letting me come to that conclusion.:o

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So screen size >= 4.3" and all specs remaining same = Tablet
and screen size < 4.3" and all specs remaining same = Phone ?

Is this the new definition of Tablets ?

I though so far the debate was if it had only GSM data capabilities but no voice we would call it a tablet.
Of course Voice makes it a phone as well.
In that case what about the Nokia (rumoured) netbooks ? Maybe Nokia plans to integrate the tablet and netbook into some middle ground (with say a 6" screen) ...

Again this is all out wishes - I guess only time will tell - and Nokia of course.
At the moment Nokia is unwilling to speak.

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No this is not a universal definition. It is a definition for the internet tablets as we know them. A device with 3.5: screen, no D-pad and no stylus is definitely not a tablet.

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I don' think Quim, Ragnar, and Peter said anything about there not being a future "tablet" device. They did say they would not talk about un-released products, which makes a lot of sense.

I'm surprised anyone expects them to layout what their roadmap is with potential release dates. Talk about showing your hand. The only reason Palm announced the Pre so early was to hold the market. Most people thought Palm already had a foot in the grave. They needed the "buzz".

The only thing I do agree with is the rx-51 could be the N97 killer.

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Archos is selling tablet-like devices of all sizes, so I think there is a market.

But lets see what we have:

• Rumors of a somewhat disappointing 3.5" lead device
• A Nokia official pointing to the Hildon Human Interface Guidelines
• A mysterious RX-71
• The term "Lead Device" (also: "flagship")

The fact that they talk about a lead device indicates that there'll be more than one device.
The "RX-71" could be anything from a coders joke to the real lead device and nothing is known, but it backs the claim that we'll see more hardware.

And then there's the HIG. May I quote:

(emphasis added)

and:
(emphasis added)

This could mean: "Hey, honestly, we change our minds constantly and we have no idea which device we'll build in 6 months time. So just don't count on anything."
It could also mean: "We have plans for a larger device."
It could, of course, be read as: "There'll be an even smaller variant without the keyboard and maybe without a good camera to get the darn thing closer to a size and weight people will accept as a phone. Honestly: 180 gramm???!!!"

Everythings possible. Certainly I wouldn't bet there'll be no tablet running Maemo5.

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I hope you're not reading such details into my suggestion. My idea of a high level roadmap doesn't even have to include release dates... just a general idea of what ground the company expects to cover and if possible some very loose timeframes.

And here's why I think that's key: the (mostly) open source nature of the OS. That factor alone pulls supporting products, maybe reluctantly, out of the typical shrouds of secrecy.

Nokia seems to want things two ways in that regard and that wil continue to be tough to manage. BUT-- that may well be moot once the OS reaches a truly mature state (see the post above mine). Stay tuned!

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Nokia should have a 5" to 7" tablet based on Maemo ASAP (Apple is preparing a 7" iPad) for a big segment of customers who want an Internet Tablet device in between the laptop and a smartphone as size. With a large 5"-7" screen, students and many people who use it badly for editing documents, video-editing, programming and even watching a video or TV (you know all portable DVD players have >7" screen size).

Nokia needs to not loose this market of Internet tablets that it started. It shouldn't just copy the competition (iPhone), it should compete with iPhone with N900 3.5" Maemo phone, but at the same time keep its direction to provide users with a Internet Tablet with screen size > 5" and also having 3G data connection, and even GSM. Customers love big screens. They love big screens if the display has a big resolution like 800x480. Because it makes web pages easy to read (size of font) and videos good to watch.
Remember 3.5# iPhone has a smaller resolution of 480 x 320 which is perfect for text size, font size in web pages. For such a big resolution 800 x 480 a 3.5" display is too small IMO and Nokia shoul really create a device with >5".

I'm not happy with this Maemo Phone N900 if it does not have multi-touch OR D-Pad OR Track-Ball.

Does anybody know if N900 has Multi-Touch because D-Pad seems to be out and no Track-ball? Also is this capacitive (I assume only the capacitive display can have multi-touch, correct me if I'm wrong).

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from my POV, voice or not is hardly relevant for my user experience. a tablet is something that has a decent, large screen. the NIT's screen was the lower limit (if not slightly below this limit).

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Hmm, the frank.wagners seem to be multiplying...

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Well after waiting almost 2.5 years patiently for my beloved tablet... they give me that?

Yeah i am disappointed and would not like to waste anymore time.
For all the patience and support to nokia, tablets and maemo i think we deserve the answer to this simple question. Its not for fun. Its about making a decision for the future whether to stay here or move on.

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I was not talking about you?

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No, tablet device with that big screen?

The screen would be all over scratched in couple of hours, the battery would be massive size or empty in couple of hours and it wouldn't fit in to a pocket.

The size of the n810 is just perect, keep that. It the screen size of n810 was over 5" i'd have never bought it.

If it's tablet device is too big to fit in a pocket, why not just get a laptop, the screen would be more safe.

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wasn't there blog posts claiming the n800 would have a smaller screen and lower resolution, than it did on release

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Forgetting where I should post my thoughts now... ;)

I'm wondering if all of the "lead device" and "flagship" stuff is signaling a complete reorganization of the Nokia model line-up (phone and otherwise). Could it be that top Nokia management has seen the light about open source and Maemo and would like their entire line to feature phones, tablets, and other devices based on some sort of Maemo/QT conglomeration?

Think about how exciting this would be... All of the talk of "multiple Maemo devices" wouldn't just mean a small subset of Nokia merchandise, but an entire line of a new generation of Nokia super computers that can fit in your hand or your pocket or wherever you'd want to stick it (um, get your mind out of the gutter!).

Just wondering out loud.

Tim

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[QUOTE=timsamoff;290634]Forgetting where I should post my thoughts now... ;)

I'm wondering if all of the "lead device" and "flagship" stuff is signaling a complete reorganization of the Nokia model line-up (phone and otherwise). Could it be that top Nokia management has seen the light about open source and Maemo and would like their entire line to feature phones, tablets, and other devices based on some sort of Maemo/QT conglomeration?

Think about how exciting this would be... All of the talk of "multiple Maemo devices" wouldn't just mean a small subset of Nokia merchandise, but an entire line of new a new generation of Nokia super computers that can fit in your hand or your pocket or wherever you'd want to stick it (um, get your mind out of the gutter!).

Just wondering out loud.

Tim[/QUOTE

Highly unlikely. Common sense says that they will release one model look at the response and plan later.

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If Maemo will be replacing S60 at the top end of Nokia's range of devices--as has been indicated several times--there should be room there for multiple Maemo devices to be available on the market simultaneously. Nokia certainly seems happy to keep multiple S60 devices in various configurations in that space now. Why should Maemo be any different?

The hints of both RX-51 and RX-71 in the SDK could indicate that the start of such a future is closer than we think.

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it'd be a shame if not.

archos already have sufficient market share

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If they don't, it's a stab in the back.

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I think they will release a Maemo 5 tablet or what I guess is considered here as a tablet i.e. the N8x0 series.
I am one of the users that was decently happy with the N900 leak specs but like I have said in many threads I would be completely happy with an N810 with updated processor and ram and 3G data connectivity.

If maemo does makes it up to the top of the Nokia product range then I am sure there will be a N910 N920 , N943i to the point where people on this forum will complain about there being too many maemo devices to choose from and the lack of the one true super device that has everything. This happens over at Howardforums (mobile phone forum) every day where people complain about having too many choices in devices from Nokia. The main thing is I don't see this happening until mid 2010 at the earliest once Nokia has seen how the whole maemo thing can work out in the mass market.

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We need to wake up and smell the toast. It is over. Time to move on.

Nokia permitted the Tablet to die, it could have sustained interest by releasing upgraded N800’s or channelling resources to the O/s, or whatever but it didn’t and deliberately so. All of the anticipation for the N900 Tablet came from this forum. Nokia never announced any such intention to feed our expectation, this was pure wishful thinking on our part.

The Tablets were an interesting, adventurous and useful experiment for Nokia. The project has served whatever function that Nokia has concluded as being sufficient for its purposes. And now it is gone.

Besides, it is not just Nokia and the Tablet, the entire MID concept has taken a battering. Caught between smart phones and net books, the fascinating concept devices announced in 2007 and culminating in the IDF of Autumn 2007 have all disappeared. Only the Aigo is still around (just about).

As devices, the Internet Tablets/MIDs are back in the tiny specialist niche sector. The multi-million market that was initially projected was unfounded.

All of this is no good reason why Nokia couldn’t keep it going of course. Even if it was to remain on the small scale that we are accustomed to at least we would still have it and I am sure the sustained interest would give Nokia sufficient revenue so as to pay its way.

The Tablet could have remained a cool geeky side project which would have reflected well on Nokia’s street credibility too. Some companies have soul and most don’t. Nokia seemed to ‘get it’ and now no longer knows what ‘it’ is.

So yes, to that extent we have been used and discarded.

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So there will be a 4.2" tablet touchscreen with keyboard!

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The article says that nokia finally embraces touchscreen!! I wouldn't believe such an ignorant news reporter.

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We do know there will be more devices, so that gives me hope, and this post by qgil gives me hope,

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...382#post290382


Joe

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I hope you're right, but I interpret it as Quim telling us how happy we'll be with the maemo 3.5" smartphones once we see how great the new tech is.

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OK, I'll say 'yes, a Maemo 5 tablet is in the works'. I just read in a 'n900' thread that Rover doesn't have a stand. Yet I seem to recall that one of the device states picked up through the SDK was whether the stand was flipped out or not. Rover, being a phone may not need a stand, but any tablet worth its salt would!

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I'm in agreement on that definition. The n900 that they've shown is definately a phone and not a tablet. Of course, the leaked UI photos should have tipped everyone off to that long ago.

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The state is "on stand", which as eiffel has pointed out previously, could be a separate desk stand. It could even be something like the Palm Pre uses.

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I think this is stated plainly as we're ever going to get -- that there will be a tablet:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=530

I'm pretty sure that I'm not suffering from an excess of hope, because the writing and ideas are stated in careful, small steps, and the "Naturally we don't do that just for fun" is prominently separated from the rest, for effect.

I don't think it could be stated more definitively than that, in a field where these things are strategically important.


Joe

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I agree with you. They've been walking a tight rope, and they've slipped enough times to leave me with the impression that they have no intention of leaving this space. On the flip side, I'm a little pessimistic about their execution.

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Well, I have one thing to say. MIDs are not dead. In fact, they're far from it. The thing is, the offerings so far have been a joke, with only a few exceptions. Too many OEM's are trying to reinvent the PDA. MIDs are *NOT PDAs*! That's been the mistake of most OEM's. Nokia at least got it right. Sure, they got room to grow, but heck, it hasn't been a bad run so far, given that they're more or less breaking into a market who's boundaries and rules haven't completely been defined yet. I think however that once companies get a clue and realize that a MID is *NOT* a PDA, you'll see a real explosion of truly useful MIDs and similar devices. I also expect to see Nokia kicking everyone's butt to the curb for years to come since they did it right to begin with, and continue to appear to do it right still. So unless they make an epic screwup along the way, I expect Nokia to set the market borders, and then promptly dominate it.

Apple did that more or less in the MP3 world with their iPod, and they ended up being king because of it. Nokia's in a similar position, and will likely go much the same route as Apple as far as success goes. That's just my 2c. Reality may turn out to be different, but given what I've seen, I highly doubt that.