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N900 compared to iPhone v3, Palm Pre, N97
Feature ------------------ N900 ------------ iPhone v3 ------- Palm Pre ------------- N97
1. Processor -------------- OMAP3 * ------- OMAP3 * --------- OMAP3 * -------------- OMAP2 2. RAM memory ----------- 256 MB ------- 256 MB ------------256 MB ----------------- 128 MB 3. 3D & OpenGL ----------- Y --------------- Y -------------------- Y ----------------------- N 4. free Office --OpenOffice, KOfice, Ooo -- N ------------------ N ------------------------ N, (paid: QuickOffice 40$) 5. many free apps --------- Y --------------- Y -------------------- N ------------------------ N 6. good internet brs ----- FireFox ----- Safari -------------- WebOS brs --------- Nokia brs & Opera 7. Full Java ------------------ Y ---------------- N -------------------- N -------------------- JaveME 8. Full Flash ----------------- Y ---------------- ? -------------------- ? -------------------- Flash Mobile 9. Easy to program --------- Y ---------------- Y -------------------- ? ----------------------- N 10. Resolution ------------ 800x480 --------480x320 -----------480x320 ------------- 640x360 11. Command line ----------- Y ---------------- N ------------------- N ----------------------- N 12. Video recording -------- 800x480 -------- ? ------------------- N --------------- 640x480 13. Nice UI --------------------- Y ---------------- Y ------------------- Y ---------------------- Y 14. solid OS --------------- Linux Maemo --- OS X ------- Linux WebOS --------- Psyon Symbian 15. Community --------------- 5* --------------- 5* ------------------ 3* ---------------------- 3* 16. Virtual Machines --------- Y --------------- ? ------------------- N ----------------------- Y 17. Remote connection ------ Y --------------- N ------------------ N ----------------------- Y 18. Drivers ---------------- Y, Linux drivers --- ? ------------------ N ----------------------- N 19. No application signing --- Y --------------- N ------------------ N ----------------------- N 20. Camera -------------------- 5 MP ----------- 3.2 MP ----------- 3.2 MP ------------- 5 MP 21. AppStore ----------------- ? Ovi ------------ AppStore --------- Y ------------------ Store.OVI.com 22. Dev Kits ---- C QT Java WebKit Flash -- Objective C ------ WebKit ------- C QT Java WebKit Flash 23. Display --------------------- 3.5" ------------- 3.6" -------------- 3.1" ------------------ 3.5" 24. Multi-touch ----------------- N? -------------- Y ------------------ Y -------------------- N 25. Capacitive display -------- N? -------------- Y ------------------ Y --------------------- N 26. VoIP/Skype ---------------- Y ---------------- N ------------------ N? -------------------- Y 27. Video call / Front Cam -- Y ---------------- N? ----------------- N? -------------------- Y I thought a comparision of N900 not only with N97, but with iPhone v3 and Palm Pre based on the initial comparison here would be interesting. What can be added to the list? What device do you like? Comparison N900 and N97 Quote:
Edit 2: corrected dev lang for iPhone Objective C and not Native C, and PalmPre multi-touch, thanks |
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N97 is ARM11, but not an OMAP2 (probably a Samsung of some sort).
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poll missing option "none of the above" which I would have voted.
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right. the correct answer is "none of the above". they're all far too big and too heavy to be considered phones. (also, i don't like phones with touch screens.)
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I'm with Benny, there should have been an option for "None of the Above"
In terms of that comparison chart.. eh, too bad tables don't look nice in forums like this. N900 has a similar open-ended OS to the Palm Pre, which is good for development - however the Pre wins here because knowing HTML/CSS/JS is much lower a barrier to developer entry than the many supported schemes within Maemo 5 (WRT, Flash, Qt, C++, etc.); "" would have most likely have a similar hardware feel to the N97; "" would lack the platform and mainsteam candy-feeling of the iPhone yet will have the same amount of religious fervor (let's call this one even) The N900 still is only assumed to be a phone; which technically places it in a different class as these other devices until told otherwise. |
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display resolution of iphone and palm pre is 480x320 not 480x360.
do you really call a capacitive display as a good thing??? |
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If the Pre's screen had a higher resolution, I would be watching its evolution more closely. Does anyone think that Maemo 5 is going to be as slick as WebOS?
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about webos: i dont even feel comfortable with web applications that go beyond sending a form from a static web page... i'd never use a whole device based on web technology.
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Corrected the resolution: 10. Resolution ------------ 800x480 --------480x320 -----------480x320 ------------- 640x360 Feature ------------------ N900 ------------ iPhone v3 ------- Palm Pre ------------- N97 Do you prefer a bigger resolution (in this case the writing will be visible small), or do you prefer the iPhone and Palm Pre resolution of 480x320? |
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Basically N900 WRT is based on JS/HTML/CSS, isn't it? So I think N900 has more development frameworks for different developers. Not all the developers know all the languages, so they can choose one language that fits them best, isn't it? |
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"Full Java" on N900 seems to be somewhat pulled out of the air. Jalimo isn't there yet, and "full Java" nowadays is including things like JavaFX.
I'd love Java to be a tier-1 language on Maemo, but - unless I missed something - Maemo 5/N900 aren't going to change this. (Said from a SunRay 270 "hacker station" on the last day of JavaOne in San Francisco ;-)) |
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iPhone v3 isn't out yet. I think there is some Apple conference coming which releases more information about it.
Nokia N900 isn't out either. Only speculation. Some speculation is about resolution which conflicts with what you assert. iPhone also has QuickOffice. I told you before: you cannot compare software which is not optimized for UI such as OO.o or KOffice with a product like QuickOffice. Instead of that (IMO ridiculous) compare its better to state 'fully compatible UNIX environment'. Maemo is as close as it gets for that of all smartphones, while for example iPhoneOS can get pretty near, especially after jailbreak. N97, or at least S60, also has a lot of free applications. I think how you differentiate is if it has an App Store where you can easily download (gratis or for fee) software. iPhone has very active community for jailbreaking, much more applications easily available that Maemo. For Symbian (and Windows Mobile) there is a similar huge amount available, but this is more difficult accessible because lack of mature App Store. Maemo is a bit different; it already has APT, but the repositories are relatively empty compared to other platforms (don't know about WebOS though, and Ovi's status is at the very least 'new product' for now). For browsers... MobileSafari has multi touch, accelerometer support, and after jailbreak can be extended with e.g. Flash or AdBlock. It is unclear what browser or rendering engine a N900 would have, or what features. But Fennec and MicroB have extensions out of the box. iPhone has remote shell and remote desktop clients (yes, even without jailbreak) and after jailbreak even more. Application signing you mean DRM. You can disable that in Symbian, or use self-signing. You can enable it in APT too, its generally recommended. Or maybe specify about jailbreaking. Palm Pre has multi-touch. G1 doesn't. I think you should add a state of the art (upcoming) Android device to the compare. There is no Windows Mobile state of the art (upcoming) device mentioned although I personally don't give a rat about anything running Windows Mobile. Video conferencing (webcam) on Maemo would need work because it works in Farsight but not Pidgin so it depends on the client used. Some features you missed, like Calendar/PIM, Sync support (iCalendar, Exchange, iTunes, Browser (LDAP, Mozilla Weave)), VPN (IPsec, OpenVPN, L2TP, PPTP). You didn't mention GPS or navigation software. Symbian has tons of those. Question is IMO how good BlueTooth support will be on iPhoneOS 3. Hmm and widgets/applets are something touted by Palm and Nokia. It should be platform independent, and is something iPhoneOS seriously lacks as is the ability to (aesthetically/informatively) customize the home screen etc. |
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http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/embedded.jsp This headless one works like a charm on my N800, of course takes 100% CPU most of the time, but works nevertheless and is full :) Probably JavaFX doesn't work but runs web start apps. EABI, glibc 2.5, Hard Float (VFP), Little Endian |
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Just some corrections for the front article.
22. Dev Kits ---- C QT Java WebKit Flash -- C Native ------- WebKit ------- C QT Java WebKit Flash OS X uses Objective C which is far from C, more like better C++ 26. VoIP/Skype ---------------- Y ---------------- N ------------------ N? -------------------- Y http://www.skype.com/download/skype/iphone/ |
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n900 is too n900 to be a phone already.
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More adopters, more apps. |
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The term 'devkit' is problematic anyway. The OP has listed languages, application and UI frameworks and whatnot in a single category, that's pretty much apples and oranges there. Especially as Maemo is a full-fledged linux, so listing languages and frameworks is a bit of a hmm. |
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Awesome compare, thank you very much Architengi, add Google G1/G2 columns will be perfect.
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I could have guessed the results of the poll from the start, really. I think this forum is a bit biased... :p
Perhaps the poll should be about which device will be the greatest threat to the N900's impending popularity. That would be a bit more interesting. |
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About Objective C - is this the same as OpnStep C or NextStep C? If yes, this is an advanced OOP but it is different than C++. So iPhone cannot run C++ programs or Java programs. |
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Dunno about those languages, but I didn't say Objective C is C++, I just said it is not C. |
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Objective C is a superset of C++ and thus is generally a superset of C. You can add .cpp files directly to your Xcode projects, and I'm guessing the same goes for .c files.
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If you call 'jailbreaking' equal to 'power user' then I think 'normal users' aren't able to do much on any device, including using Maemo's Application Manager. Jailbreaking is easy as pie, and the instructions are quite clear. Legal matter, sure, that might be a valid argument. But most users don't care for that and frankly, I believe I am fully in my right according to law here to jailbreak. I don't know about C++ applications, but if you have a look in Cydia there are tons of useful applications available on these repositories. To install them is about as easy as using Synaptic or Application Manager. |
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EDIT: Yes, not to contradict myself too much further, you are right, C++ is not a subset of Objective-C. |
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Why the iPhone is more popular than other smartphones in USA is because CNN doesn't write about Nokia products, and others USA papers do the same. They created a myth around iPhone mainly because is an american product and they buy american. |
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Unfortunately, Java SE Embedded is primarily aimed at OEMs, it'd be interesting to see if we can repackage it for Extras ;-) Quote:
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I refuse to pay money to a company only to have them restrict what I do with a device, so the N900 is the only choice for me.
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N900 is a device with alternatives, even at the OS level with easy Mer, Ubuntu, easy Debian and lots of open source applications. It gives more power to a user (to a power user) and it is also very user friendly for any user. |
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Apple releases iPhone 3GS, a faster iPhone
NYTimes. Quite impressive, even if Steve wasn't presenting. |
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Interesting why Apple are releasing it so soon after the announcement...
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