Sessions you expect in the Maemo Summit 2009
 

We can start filling the Maemo Summit 2009 schedule by adding the sessions that are obvious or expected.

For instance, it is expected to have sessions about the status the of maemo.org website, something about the bugsquad, something about packaging, something about the extras-devel process....

Please add here the sessions you are expecting to see, if possible adding your thoughts on

- Duration: default 25', longer sessions possible if there is a good reason, 5' lightning sessions possible too.
- room (large - medium - small).

Use this thread also to tell what sessions are you expecting from Nokia, both for Friday (schedule run by Nokia entirely) or in the other 2 days (Nokia sessions to go through the community selection process just like the rest).

And use this thread also to suggest session you expect from community / third party projects. For instance, Mer is a clear candidate.

Let's also discuss who will decide on the items going to the schedule. Council? Dave? Erik? Myself? A combination of these? Somebody else?

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• A 'Getting started with the Fremantle SDK' could be useful, just a here is how to install it, what it is capable and a simple hello world app?
  
  Small to medium room, 25 minutes should be enough if its an introduction or 50 minutes if its an in-depth how to develop for the next tablet talk. I would prefer the latter but being a developer I could be biased.

• Definitely a talk on how to package for extras-devel as I've had a lot of trouble with that lately. Go through the process of taking a main stream app or dependency and making it available to extras.
  
  Again, small to medium room, 25 minutes.

• An introduction to the new Maemo council as there will be a change before the next summit.
  
  Large (let everyone meet the council), 25 minutes to outline their agenda's and hopes for their term.

• Some Mer talks, introduction to actual usage and future plans.
  Medium room (I think there is a lot of excitement surrounding Mer) and maybe a couple of 25 minute talks, Introduction talk; 'what mer is all about' and future talk; where is Mer heading and what needs doing.

EDIT: Added room size and talk length.

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Thanks! Please tell your expectation on duration and rooms. It will help finding the rigth time and place for those sessions.

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5 minutes lightning talks isn't too short ?
I wasn't in the last summit to see if this works well, but usually those kind of talks are done on 10' or 15'.

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In GUADEC they are 5' and they rock. In the last Summit they were also 5' and people was haoppy about them too.

Winning TV ads last no more than 30 secs. Top of the Pop songs rarely go beyong 4 minutes. Most TV headlines and reports keep their duration well below 5 minutes.

Most important things can be explained in less than 5 minutes (example) ;)

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Ok, I'm convinced :o , I was only remembering the Fosdem lightning talks, but I have also assisted to several 5' talks and even 90'' talks (my memory is too bad these days).

Yes, you are right :p

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Only Baloo has expectations? So many discussions going on in talk.maemo.org and no more ideas about topics you would like to see covered in the Maemo Summit?

For instance, what would USERS like to see in the Summit schedule?

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Topics I'd like to see, in no particular order:

• Mer (25' or more, large)
• Fremantle stars, eg lessons learned in porting to Fremantle etc (25', large)
• ContextKit (25', medium)
• Ofono (25', medium)
• Power management ("Battery query interface API", using pm-qos from userland etc) (25', small)

There is some overlap with sessions already given/planned elsewhere, but I couldn't make it to the Danish Weekend and it's looking increasingly unlikely I'll be able to attend the Desktop Summit :-( No need to host redundant talks on my account if there is no new information to talk about.

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As a developer I would like to see some talks about the core technologies of Fremantle/Harmattan, namely:

* Open GL-ES**
* Clutter**
* Tracker
* Rygel
* HIldon**
* Qt**

** If possible hands on sessions.

As a user I expect demo's of new shine applications.

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My expectations as a user would be influenced by either having a Maemo 5 device by the time the summit rolls around, or not.

If I do have a Maemo 5 device at the time of the summit, I would like:

1. BUGS - Talk about bug status, and resolution for top 10 Fremantle bugs (for instance)
2. Some talk about update strategy for Fremantle - how long can I expect official support for Fremantle.
3. 'Hints of Harmattan' - now that I have Fremantle, what wondrous things can I dream about for Harmattan.

If I do not have a Maemo 5 device at the time of the summit, I would like:

1. Showcase of some Fremantle apps (Nokia, Stars, others)
2. Showcase of neat usage cases - e.g. TV out, device orientation whiz bangs....
3. Data counter demo - apparently there is one for Fremantle - what will it allow me to do (monthly resets, limit warnings, etc).

Regardless of whether I have a Maemo 5 device at the time of the summit:

1. Roadmap on where Maemo and its devices are going, i.e Why should I as a user stick with Maemo Devices for the long haul?

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I would really fancy some good QT and Nokia propaganda

First off all I expect many talks to be user oriented so many talk about how to to simple but useful things. I was really nice a LINUXTAG to show the NIT and demo the many still free applications. Of course people commig to the summit will probably know a little more about the NIT then people on LINUXTAG
-How to convert movies to watch on your NIT
-How to use your NIT on the road
-How to keep your kids busy on a NIT
-Note taking app roundup
-PIM alternatives
-Games Games games
-Dangerous stuff "DIY making your device bugler safe"
-Using VOIP on your NIT

I also expect many talks about the "always on and location based things"

Developer oriented:
- Howto create a usefull/slick application (multiple variants QT/Python/Fennec/e17)
- Lets make this work "creating application using the community". offering your services
- Good tools are half the work. performance and battery life saving features

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I wouldn't take myself as an average example of an user, however, I think most users like to take informed decisions about the device, and for that, a session (25 mins or so) with details of what the next device/s will do, what they plain out won't do, and what they won't do out of the box, but will be able to with some tweaking or through third party apps.

I am pretty sure you have heard this many times, but here goes a list of questions that, if answered, would help costumers a lot on deciding if they should stick to their current devices, or switch to a competitor (iPhone, Android, etc) or wait for the N900.

Will it have PIM capabilities at the level of the S60 phones?
Will it have an office suite for creating and editing documents? Be a version of QuickOffice or a port of OpenOffice.
Will it be able to fully use the resources of the device? Like, making the front camera available to every app that might use it (like Skype); or supporting MP4 natively, etc etc
Will it be easy to port existing Linux/Debian apps?
And above all, will it be able to provide all its features in an easy to use, rock-solid, and modern interface?
What about battery life while in use? Have you considered using a bigger battery or maybe a dual battery setup?

As a reference, I own a Nokia E71 and a N800, and pretty much the only thing I use the N800 for is to watch some videos due to the size of the screen. For my standard, business-like, use, the E71 can do everything better than my N800; be it PIM, email, document handling, quick browsing, even media consumption (with Core Media Player I can watch FLVs that bug the hell out in mplayer) and I (and I guess others) won't buy a N900 if they don't find it being a big upgrade over their current devices.

Sorry if it sounds confusing. Will expand of my commentaries if needed.

Edit: I think I can shorten it by saying that I believe that the hardware in the N900 can easily make it a laptop replacement, and I want to see that potential adequately used. My E71 may not have as much hardware/software potential as my N800, but what it has, is used to the max. My E71 is a tank, it never hangs, it never bugs out, its battery last a lot, it always delivers when I need it. The same can't be said of the N800, it has lots of potential, but often unused.

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Oh, I have lots more but I didn't want to monopolize it :)

Some more expectations (not-withstanding the new hardware announcements).

"QT on Maemo and beyond"
Why as a developer we should be using QT for our next application.

Explanation on what QT has to offer, what are the plans for QT and the cool things you can achieve with it.

50 minutes, large room.

"Unboxing your new tablet"
What to do next. You have your tablet, what do you do now? Point out the maemo website, community, extra's repository, how you can help e.t.c. With this recorded it could become a valuable resource. Just a point of note, I see this crop up a lot.

25 maybe 50 minutes talk depending on how far you want to take it. Maybe best in a large room depending on the demographic of Nokia's intended attendee's.

"Beyond the basics - your N8(9)x00 can do some clever things"
Talk about GPS capabilities, geoclue? geocaching? geotagging? Gaming, robotic brains, milk harvesting in Africa. Essentially point out the capabilities and power of the device. The theme of the talk should be 'outside the box thinking' for people who understand they have a whole computer in their pocket!

25 minutes to point out some 'cool' stuff.

I have lots more idea's be I leave the rest up to the community :D

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I promised to let the community comment on the rest but, ah well, I can be outspoken ;)

For me as a developer I could see nothing more satisfying geek-wise that seeing a table in the door-way with 4 n810's (I would say Rovers but I don't want to push my luck), one running Android, one, Ubuntu, another Mer and lastly another Maemo. For me I think, what ever I write as a software engineer, I can't go wrong with this hardware platform.

As the beagleboards success can confirm, bring out some cool hardware and you will gather a huge geek following. If you don't believe me, tell me how many beagle boards have shipped and how many beagle boards have shipped _in_ a product!

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:(

Maybe an intro to the new council and the last council as well, just in case there have been some changes? You know, different people may be elected, some people may not choose to stand for the next election, etc...

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If there's a new device, and I can get my hands on one before the Summit, and I get sponsorship, and there's some interest (a lot of "ifs" I know), I'll definitely do a show-and-tell with OpenOffice, just so folks can see how it performs on the new device...

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To put it generic indirectly I'd like to learn why a new Maemo with new device would be worth my money and time. For that, required is some things other products do, while also building on its own current strengths while admitting its weaknesses.

The raw power of the new processor with accelerated GL compared to the old device, demoed side by side. That should be pretty damn convincing... ;) seriously, comparing the performance of OMAP3 Beagleboard with old device is IMO interesting. So what I mean is some live benchmarking demo.

I'd like to know the role of Ovi in Maemo 5, and maybe see that explained or demoed. For example the features which are useful specifically for Maemo, and what the features are and what they cost. If there is something like an App Store or bounty program or something.

Also, I like the various options for remote access available on Maemo 4 (RDP, VNC, NX, SSH (CLI), LogMeIn), and if 3G is used for that, some optimizations need to be used because of latency and bandwidth. And each of their strengths and weaknesses.

Standard workflows are also interesting, especially those which are currently not available such as the future of mobile browsin (Fennec related probably), OpenOffice.org/KOffice porting to Maemo.

Last but not least I like user cases, someone who is just telling a story or something specific/special they use their device for. This is fun, and inspiring. The time used for this can be very short, and multiple people can tell. Was also done previous year.

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I like the "Getting started with Maemo 5 SDK" idea. Very cool.

I'd also like to see a couple of talked beyond getting started:

- Beginning an app in Maemo 5
- Creating a widget in Maemo 5
- Etc.?

I'd also love to see some overview recaps of core technologies (similar to last year). Yeah, we've seen them and now have the documentation and all, but personally, I could use a real-time recap. ;)

Tim

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I'm not knowing anything about the device software and Nokia's plans, but this is what I would like to see:

Overview of the Nokia Maemo application suite Human Interface Guidelines (...!). Every app should look and work the same way, and giving these docs to all developers also outside Nokia would be great (Hint...). Include GTK+/QT examples.

Pymaemo application development for Windows-based developers (Tools, Setup, Tutorials, Packaging)

ESbox tutorial

Sync Framework and Nokia Nseries PC suite integration/API

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Or, definitely a Mica presentation (may need more than 25 minutes, though).

Tim

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How to make the most of community feedback. A discussion session with a very interactive setting where Maemo Devices product managers and top bugs.m.o and brainstorm.m.o contributors can understand better each other and set higher levels of collaboration.

1h in big room? Like a real pannel?

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I think we need a "community" (i.e., maemo.org) oriented session for this too -- only 25-minutes, though.

Tim

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I definitely would like to see a interactive panel at the summit, probably with some introductory topics, but after this totally open to the audience (with some moderation of course).

In terms of the composition of the panel, I would say:

* Maemo Devices PM
* Council member
* Developer
* Power User
* Moderator

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Would there be a chance for the presentations to be streamed live using WebEx or a similar tool?

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If wifi is available then we have the possibility of a live stream though stickam or qik. I have a nice 'HD' quality webcam (Logitech 9000 pro) that can sit on top of my laptop in front of the speaker although a more professional solution would be preferable.

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I can't help dreaming... Wouldn't it be nice...

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There would also be a need for either an alternate, dedicated Internet link for the presentations or a traffic shaping setup to protect the presentation streams' upstream bandwidth. There's likely few venues in the world that would find themselves with surplus bandwidth when invaded by 350+ geeks wielding at least one WiFi device each.

While I couldn't bring much of my webcasting gear were I sponsored again, a TVOne CS-320 scan converter is certainly small enough to pack along. It will convert VGA to composite, Y/C, and RGBS, should anyone have gear that will take matters from there.

EDIT: Beyond the scan converter, I may be able to help out by bringing other small gear. I have an assortment of converters, adapters, and the like at work, and I could probably get permission to bring some of it. Wireless mics might be a problem, as I suspect the permitted frequencies are quite different, but I'd have to check.

Anyway, I'd like to help out if I can. Further discussion of recording & streaming the presentations might be better as a separate thread though.

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In light of recent developments, one more request: ConnMan.

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Makes a lot of sense but this has to come from a Nokia employee. I feel this has a lot to do with Maemo.

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Is the Content Committee going to decide which proposed sessions should go to the schedule (and get the speakers) or how should we proceed with the proposals in this thread?

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Yes, the Content Commitee has this mission, we already evaluated the first round of submissions, and added the proposals to the schedule. Right now we are waiting for more info about some of the proposal in the queue, but everybody can help us decide, just add your comments about the proposals in the queue to this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions

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It's been touched on in this thread already, but I'd like to focus more specifically upon it as I feel it's quite important:

In addition to app and platform developer level talks on Mer, I'd like to see to see a user-level presentation. It would be nice to see how it compares to both the Diablo that owners of existing tablets know and that newfangled Fremantle.

• How can it be installed?
• Can exiting Diablo contacts, bookmarks, email, and other data be carried over by Backup/restore or other means?
• How is the UI different?
• Which Diablo and Fremantle technologies are in, and which have been left out?
• What applications are already available for Mer? Which ones are coming? Which ones just won't work?
• How will Mer evolve along side Fremantle? Harmattan?
• Etc.

Are the Mer folks already planning such a talk? If not, would one or more of them be interested in doing so?

Failing that, I feel the need for such a presentation is great enough that I'd be willing to attempt it myself, if need be. Note though that as I'm no expert on Mer, I'd be pestering the developers frequently for information from now until the Summit, so they wouldn't be getting out easy.

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A new device. Kinda obvious, isn't it?

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I'd like to see a presentation about the status of Qt for Maemo.

I know it will be default in Harmattan, but developers in this moment are asking: "am I able to start developing in Qt for Freemantle too? I don't want to write my application in Gtk for this release and change the toolkit in the next release..."

We should really consider this.

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Yes, it would be probably a good idea to have an official talk about that, preferably by a bona fide Troll or someone from Nokia.

As for side notes by users... You're good to go with Qt even in Diablo. In a couple of days there should be Qt packages (by yours truly) that reside on the internal SD (so ordinary users can use it without filling the flash space on the default/uncloned layout).

The actual change is that while you *can* code with Qt, many of your system interfaces will be based on non-Qt stuff (think address book, location & media framework, etc). As I understand it, with Qt being the real deal, these will become Qt-ized (or at least get a Qt style middleware) in Harmattan.

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A Qt talk is a good idea. If a qualified speaker wants to submit a proposal to the wiki then the team will consider it.

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Current state of the community days:

Track: Approved(in the queue)/slots available

Users: 5(1)/ 13
Application developers: 6(7) /13
Platform developers: 1(1) /13
Lighting talks: 1(1)/22

Note that some presentations are proposed for both application developers and platform developers tracks, so the number may vary a little bit.

Also remember that there's a special room for BOFs, hands on sessions or workgroup sessions.

More sessions suggestions are welcome, specially for the users track ;)

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Is it anticipated that "Mer: A year after" will cover the sorts of topics I mentioned earlier in this thread? To wit:
Or are those topics too user-specific for a general Mer session?

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I was going to click Thanks!, but then I saw the two ee's. . . . :P

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Is what I'm planning to have in my talk. Hoping to find a passionate user for the other.