Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

The BoyGeniusReport is the most hateful and worst review I ever read. In USA and Canada (except NY and Chicago), people don't have the Nokia London on Regent street to try the device - they REALLY RELY ON THESE REVIEWS to make up our mind.

That is why, I ask Matthew from
http://nokiaexperts.com/impressions-white-nokia-n97
to think twice if he really agrees with that BGR review:


http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...ge-3/#comments


For me, anyway, this device with low RAM and high price is not the deal I want right now, don't get me wrong. But I cannot stand the lies of that review.




christexaport Said:

* To be opinionated is one thing. But when Eldar at Mobile Review and CNet both have detailed and raving reviews, going as far as calling it “best in its class”, speaking of a “bright and beautiful screen”, and even saying the resistive touchscreen was “fast and responsive”, I have to wonder why BGR’s perspective is so opposite. Editorials and reviews are stages for opinion, so I understand that, but seriously, I don’t respect this author’s opinion very much.


john Said:


* from GSM Arena be sure to hear “Oh! the N97. Best phone in the market now”


Why the BGR review is the worst review, biased, false and one-sided?"

* BGR wrote: "The directional pad also suffers from the same issue as we mentioned earlier in the keyboard section — zero feedback." --- my question: how can a hardware D-Pad with real buttons have zero feedback?? Can anybody confirm BGR's zero feedback on D-Pad?


* BGR wrote: "a keyboard that it feels like your typing on a pad of Post Its" --- can this be true? you fell like typing on a sheet of paper/post-it? It cannot be true, those are buttons, maybe they don't make sound when clicked, but for sure the fingers can feel the buttons as opposed to type on a sheet of paper/post-it... Matt, can you please let us know, I don't have the device, but this from all my logic and senses does not make sense what BGR claims!

* BGR wrote: "For comparisons sake, the T-Mobile G1, whose keys aren’t the best in that department, is worlds better than the N97’s keyboard." Sonya Said: Wow that keyboard is the "worse keyboard I have ever seen on a phone". What were they thinking? ---- my take, so BGR points the keyboard is the worst keyboard on a smartphone -- I didn't try it, anybody, do you agree with BGR?

ray Said:

got to love reviews from Apple fanboys…

* BGR: “When flipped up means that the keyboard is going to be pointing straight up at the ceiling. Wait, what? Yeah”
--
Ha, ha, This must be “THE” stupidest thing i ever read, the only way I could get to point up to the ceiling if was doing yoga on my head.

* BGR: “Display is 10x better than yours [Apple, Pre, HTC, RIM BB Storm compared to Nokia]”

Did you have your glasses on??

-- my take: Is this true, the devices mentioned are 10x better that N97's?

BGR: "I didn’t get into everything else because there’s really no point. It’s great your car has a 1000 horsepower engine, but you can’t drive anywhere because the wheels don’t work."

BGR: "Why go so deeply into a phone that is, in my opinion, borderline unusable as an every day communications device? It turned me off from the second I turned it on."


Now, other people comments from BGR site:

* Frank Said:

* ouch. bashed it. i’m not a nokia fan, but this was pretty harsh. ragging on it so hard that forgot to mention battery life or even talk about the camera…

* Pistol Said:

* I have to say, this review is a bit biased, and unprofessional. No offense to BGR, I don’t mean to tell you how to review stuff, and I really don’t know if this is how BGR really reviews things because I’m a new visitor here, so I don’t mean to judge, but it feels to me that BGR already wanted to hate the phone even before reviewing it. The review was nowhere near complete, but a conclusion was already made which was confusing to me.

* Ghime Said:

* Looks like someone got out the wrong side bed. I understand the disappointment but that seemed like biased review. Keyboard is a matter of getting used...


* sumith bepari Said:

* People, do NOT pay any attention to this bogus review. Its probably the worst review i have ever read.

* Scott Said:

* I don’t care about the success of this phone either way, but when I read a negative review and then read the conclusions that say: “but to be honest, speaking from my personal opinion, the second I saw the N97 announcement I skipped right over it in my head”. Well… come on, that sounds like clear bias to me. I had to throw everything I just read out the window.

* Deaconclgi Said:
* sometimes it is as if you forget that there are people who count on what you say when they make decisions with their money. It almost seems like you are spewing hate to only further your agenda rather than reviewing a viable product

* Rob Said:

* you sure you have the right deviced! I have played with this for a few hours and am no S60 expert, and its a joy D a great phone. Keyboard is actually nice and takes little getting used to, the build is awesome, the widgets front page and preloaded apps solid, camera is top drawer, and most important browsing is good. Your review is a joke.


* KDM™ Said:

* I agree with everyone that disagrees with BGR. I have this phone and its not nearly as bad as this review makes it seem. The keyboard is fine. I had with the iPhone 3G as well, never could make whole day. If you think this phone might be what your looking for dont not look at it because of this review. Its way off, sorry BGR, I love you man but I completely disagree on this one.

* AD Said:

* Strange review, have used for a day and its been great, screen and ease of use is actually very good, browsing is easy, keyboard takes 30 mins to get used to and then great.


* alvin Said:

* Boy Genius you call this dribble a review? Nothing but biasness and hate in this review. Wheres the mention of the camera? the memory tests? where is the mention of other components in the phone? Seriously this review cannot be considered as such because it is a <B>dishonest and biased one. Imagine people are depending on the likes of you to give a fair , honest , detailed review of a device</B> that many people right now are lined up to buy and you cant even do that. Well if you cant do that you might as well close down the site.

* I have never read a more incomplete , hateful and dishonest review such as the one on this phone.


* Willem Said:

* So this was a review? I did only read a bad personal opinion from somone who hates Nokia. This website is not one of my favorites anymore

* NBK Said:

* You get this feeling that if it not American it gets a bad review.
* Symbian is one of the best smartphone OSs around, it does multitasking and supports vertically everything. N97 is a dang nice device and I just lûv it. Nokia maps 3.0 is on pair or even better than the tomtom/garmins of this world. I do nice video recording, listen to music wirefree via stereo BT(A2DP). I have onetouch sharing of video and pictures. Tons of nice widgets, hey its online all the time… and oh multitasking, yes you can have your messenger running in the background, your pushmails ticking in, do your sip calls, download your daily scheduled podcasts etc...

* Michael Said:

* quote BGR “Why go so deeply into a phone that is, in my opinion, borderline unusable as an every day communications device? It turned me off from the second I turned it on.”

* What is your problem with Nokia? This is probably the worst piece of crap review I have ever read.

* Andrew Said:

* BGR have seriously undermined their credibility with this sketchy, flippant, frat boyish “review”. The author was so blatantly predisposed to trashing the device that I began to wonder why they bothered reviewing (if you can call it that) the N97 at all.

* I will never put any credence in any phone review from this site again. I’ll stick with the grown ups.

* skyozone Said:

* This was utterly biased review, i was coming here to read your reviews for most of the phones, but frankly this is my last visit to this website. i am not a nokia fan boy,but this could have been a lot better unbiased review. i was expectig this kind of review from you BG.


What do you think about BGR and his review on N97 and what other reviews did you find interesting about this device?

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

My opinions match BGR's. The N97 doesn't quite match what I'd expect for such a high priced phone.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I can't speak for the N97, but I've also never thought very highly of BGR's reviews. They always seemed to me like they set out to destroy everything they review, and only the best survive. Kinda like what Rotten Tomatoes does to movies. To me, that's not the right way to do a review. You need to start out on neutral ground and then let the device decide your ultimate response from there.

Also, the two guys mentioned at Mobile Review and Cnet do a great job reviewing hardware and they do it the right way. So I'm gonna mark BGR's report as invalid. Plus it seems to reek of too many selfish motives (fanboyism gone bad maybe?) that soil the review. Plus the comments agree with me. It was a completely lousy review. And I speak from experience since I'm a reviewer myself. It's also why you won't see me reviewing things I hold strong opinions over. I don't feel that it's fair to the device or application if I do, since it's guaranteed that my opinions will sneak into the review and ruin any objectivity I might have.

It's also why I very carefully pick my review items so that I make sure that when I do a review it's as fair and balanced as humanly possible. BGR's was not fair and balanced. One guy even pointed out that the reviewer completely missed some very key and important details. That's a red flag right there for me.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I thought that whole website is based, and made famous by, the jailbreaking of an Iphone and is intentionally slanted towards Apple products since that is their "claim to fame"...

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

The reactions to the review on the BGR site were pretty devastating for BGR, I thought.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I wrote a comment on BGR review 6 hours ago but it was not approved. He does not like the truth.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Well, if that's true, that explains a lot about why they're like they are. Good old Apple fanboyism at it's best. Which means their credibility just took a head first drive right down the toilet.
Further proof of his lack of credibility. A similar bout of that went through the PC hardware review world a few years back, resulting in the death of several popular sites, and the spawning of such sites as legitreviews that tried to throw off the stigma of bad or biased reviews started by that little fallout.

Even legitimate sites like the one I was working at suffered from that, so I've been through that whole bad journalism mixed with fanboyism thing already, and it sucks, even if you're not involved in it.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I think the website posted by the OP has a fair and even-handed review http://nokiaexperts.com/ since he is updating his impressions as he uses it...

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I can't say anything to that respect, but I will say I haven't heard anything negative about them, so that's always a good thing, even if you haven't heard anything positive either. ;)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

from what i can track down, boygenius started out writing about blackberry over on engadget mobile...

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Independently of what BGR is saying, I have got a chance to check N97 out yesterday. The keyboard absolutely positively definitely sucks moose balls.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I don't understand what the input method has to do with the screen quality...
Why does BGR complains about the resistive-type digitizer? Why, if many choose capacitive, that has to be the right path?

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

There are two parts to this question:

1. BGR complains about resistive touch screen because he is a mac nut.
2. Resistive touch screens are more precise than capacitive ones but more fragile and do not allow for real multitouch usage.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Seeing my sister's Ipod Touch I don't really think multitouch is something I can't live without, while the hard screen makes sense on a device you will probably sit on (I saw it at the university and at the train station... I almost cried...).
Still fagility is a price I gladly pay to have precision while I use my portable device: I can easily buy a hard cover, while psychologist cures to regain my sanity after selecting for the fourth time in a row the wrong line is something I can't still afford... :D

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

A psychologist! Of course! How come I've never got that idea... :D Much better than my current "throwing the handheld out of the window"... ;)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Just to make it clear, we at Nokia don't hate any blogger. After all, we read comments with an open mind - just like on t.m.o. It's a busy world in the web and people are entitled to their views. Maybe, we should invite BGR to test drive the Maemo 5 lead device and see what he thinks. Once I see his blog post on the Maemo 5 device I might have to change my opinion. ;-)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Probably not worth it, in this particular case. Nothing will come out of it.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

We should invite him to test drive a customized version of the Maemo 5 lead device, hiding all traces of Nokia on it from both the HW and the SW. ;)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Etch an Apple logo on it, too.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Instead of inviting BGR you should allow some of the long time maemo community members to do such a review. Could answer many of our questions.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Gotta give ya a big THANKS for that one buddy. :)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

BGR is a well known Nokia hater. I think the only Nokia he ever gave a fair shake to was the Nokia E71 which is regarded by most along with the N95 as being two of the best phones ever released.
That review was so ridiculous that it was not even worth reading. I agree with some negative points but at least mention the positives on the phone.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

will do. planning already ongoing with council.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Thank you so much. Will be waiting for that. Do we have an estimate of when this could happen?

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I don't know; that's like going to the guy that spit on your sister and asking him if your baby is cute.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/s...face-on-video/

3. its the mobile buzzword of the season, resistive is "so last year" ;)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Do you think BGR hates nokia because is not-american?

Or just because he sees thretened the iPhone (his love) by the N97?

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Well, if anyone's interested, I did a review of the N810 not long after it was released. I can post a link if you guys like. It's what got me started into the n810 craze in the first place. :D

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Wow, I'd be interested to read that... :-)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

http://www.raiden.net/articles/revie...ternet_tablet/

Linkage as requested. :)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Wow excellent review, very detailed. I think we now have a first contender for the maemo member reviewer for the Rover!

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Rover? What's that? And if Nokia has something else they'd like to throw my way for review, I'm game for it. :D I haven't asked them though cause I've been working on a lot of other projects lately. The nice part is, my platter should clear out again here by the end of June. It's just that I've had like a whole list of reviews, school stuff, magazine articles, family events, graduations, outings, conventions, and God knows what else hitting me. Thankfully those are almost done. So I'll finally have freetime again to start doing more hardware reviews.

The only thing I need to figure out now is what they have that's within my review scope. I can't do straight up phones as I don't have a phone service via which I can test them, but stuff like the n810 I can do. Ah well, guess I'll have to do some digging and then hit them up via email if I find something. Well, unless of course they hit me up first with something interesting. ;)

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I'm officially ready for a review of the thing in Italian, even in verses if needed :D:D:D

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

I received my white N97 NAM yesterday and spent about four hours last night trying to get it set up and data migrated from my Nokia 9300 which I have dearly loved for 3+ years.

First impressions:

Out of the box, worked with just a SIM card change.

A good bit of learning curve between Symbian 80 (Nokia 9300) to Symbian 60, but it's coming along.

I am a little disappointed in the setup complexity, but heck it's a pretty complex device (which means that it is probably NOT for your rank and file casual user!).

Feature-wise--the built-in software is an order of magnitude less functional than that on my Nokia 9300. I feel like I took a step backwards (see my more detailed comments in the All About Symbian N97 forum). Perhaps that's why Nokia is not pushing the N97 as a PDA phone. Maybe there's some aftermarket software that can make up the difference?

Camera evaluation: SUPERB on the 5.1 MP!!! 5 stars! On the forward-facing camera--it's a heck of a lot better than either of my two N800's. Camera button is a nuisance when you are using the keyboard and go to pick the N97 up--it triggers the camera applet. Going to have to get used to not grabbing it where the button gets depressed.

Web surfing experience? I guess I'm spoiled with the microb browser in my N800's and the Opera browser in my 9300. I did read in a review that Skyfire works on the N97 and it promises to give a "PC-like experience". I'll try that next week.

Meanwhile...back to migrating data. The built-in SYNC applet did NOT bring all of my contact data over. Let me elaborate...part of the data associated with each contact was brought over--in all about 60%, but none of the thumbnail pictures came over. Looks like I have a lot of work ahead of me as I have 128 contacts with lots of different phones, emails and addresses, birthdates, etc.
At least the PC Suite will let me type this information in on my desktop PC as the N97 keyboard is a might tedious.

About that keyboard...it took a little getting used to, but considering the space it fits in, it is pretty nice. Space key is not a big of problem as I thought it would be. The D-button for navigating is a might touchy--a slight touch and you've changed fields from where you wanted to go. Maybe my fingers are too big?

More comment reviews later.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

This was my same feeling when I went from the 9500 Communicator to the E90. The S60 gui is poor and clumsy in comparison to that of the now buried series 80. Too bad Nokia didn't push an evolution of the good things they had but pursued an involution towards the myth of the one-thumb interface, one-menu-fits-all.

As regards browser, may I suggest you the Bolt Browser which is quicker and more accurate than Skyfire in my experience on the E90.

Re: Nokia hated by BoyGeniusReport
 

Verses ? Knowing the sentiment around here, that would be haiku ! :D