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skatebiker 2009-06-23 10:42

Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
A good alternative to the N900 ? This might be the N950 ?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/n...based-netbook/

johnkzin 2009-06-23 12:19

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Meanwhile, UMPCPortal and Pocketables are saying that Intel and Nokia are going to announce today that Nokia will begin using Atom chips. (and I certainly hope that this relates to their netbook and not to any of their other devices)

Hopefully that announcement will also involve Nokia finally announcing their netbook line. The idea that it might wait until 2011, when we've heard they're already assembling them (and 2011 is WAY too late for Nokia to enter that game), is kind of absurd. I'd think 2009 or don't bother.

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 12:37

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Patience, gentlemen. We haven't announced anything yet...

nilchak 2009-06-23 12:52

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298935)
Patience, gentlemen. We haven't announced anything yet...

Patience till 2011 to get confirmation ? That's a heck of a patience you are asking for :D

Or how about making the patience time lesser by <whisper>revealing</whisper> some dates ?

ragnar 2009-06-23 12:55

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
... What is a netbook, anyway?

johnkzin 2009-06-23 13:14

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
It's a device that Nokia will deliver in a 9" convertible tablet format, running Maemo... right?

RIGHT!? :-)

johnkzin 2009-06-23 13:15

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 298942)
Patience till 2011 to get confirmation ?

Probably you'll get the confirmation later today, at the Intel-Nokia announcement.

YoDude 2009-06-23 13:38

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 298944)
... What is a netbook, anyway?

It is what the rest of the industry calls a NIT. :D

A tablet to them often refers to Pen based PC's, a marketing experiment from a few years ago.

attila77 2009-06-23 13:39

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298935)
Patience, gentlemen. We haven't announced anything yet...

That never stopped us from making speculative threads with thousands of posts :D

ColdFusion 2009-06-23 13:52

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Intel Atom?

inb4 end-of-the-world-nerd-rage-posts :D

skatebiker 2009-06-23 14:14

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 298951)
It's a device that Nokia will deliver in a 9" convertible tablet format, running Maemo... right?

RIGHT!? :-)

Or windows 7 (Windows 8 in 2011) or desktop Kubuntu jaunty ?

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 14:18

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Let me remind you what we have said about Maemo 5: Maemo 5 will support OMAP3 processors i.e. ARM Cortex A8 technology, not more, not less.

Mara 2009-06-23 14:20

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Bloomberg have some news about this subject... Just seem that they are confusing/mixing things big time (netbooks and mobile phones).
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aT2JAVfemoxI

I can not see any time soon when Intel has anything that can be used in mobile phones? (At least Atom can't...)

jsmanrique 2009-06-23 14:41

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298971)
Let me remind you what we have said about Maemo 5: Maemo 5 will support OMAP3 processors i.e. ARM Cortex A8 technology, not more, not less.

So let's hope that none on Nokia announce an Intel based tablet for 2010/2011, because it could seem than currently Maemo 5 platform has been born dead:
  • Maemo 5 is the previous step to Hartmatan, the long awaited QT based software platform. So, why develop for it if it will be replaced for a marvellous stack that maybe (and just "maybe") couldn't work on nowadays hardware?
  • Intel could be next NIT processor? So what's wrong with OMAP3?

Ok, ok, I am sure that this is not the stage that Nokia marketing has in mind, but some people could have this feeling.

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 14:54

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmanrique (Post 298977)
... because it could seem than currently Maemo 5 platform has been born dead:...

Are we in a bit negative mood today? ;-)

Maemo 5 is a crucial step in the evolution of Maemo to a mainstream software platform. The evolution of Maemo will not stop with Maemo 5 as you indicated but continue with Harmattan and then with some release starting with an "I".

PS: Pure coincidence that the release following Harmattan starts with "I". Has nothing to do with Intel. I didn't make the Latin alphabet.

lcuk 2009-06-23 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmanrique (Post 298977)
[*]Maemo 5 is the previous step to Hartmatan, the long awaited QT based software platform. So, why develop for it if it will be replaced for a marvellous stack that maybe (and just "maybe") couldn't work on nowadays hardware?

isn't that exactly what is being said about maemo5 in general?
if anything, I see the qt stack as being able to run on n8x0 hardware better than I see clutter doing the same.

it may well be that a generational gap occurs but then n8x0 comes back into the fold when qt harmattan arrives :)

mind you, by that time I will be happily running liqbase on anything resembling a cpu (and xv graphics), so what do i care ;)

jsmanrique 2009-06-23 15:04

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298979)
PS: Pure coincidence that the release following Harmattan starts with "I". Has nothing to do with Intel. I didn't make the Latin alphabet.

Of course, of course... so who has missed the "g" between Fremantle and Harmattan? Perhaps a QT based software stack named with "G.." would be very strange ;)

And no, I am not negative, I am trying to show something that seems to be in the air: too much marketing around QT and not around Maemo 5...

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 15:04

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
And here is the press release:

http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1324456

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...pri_20090623rb

Luke-Jr 2009-06-23 15:08

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Ouch. x86 sucks. Hopefully some other company can provide us with the next generation of handhelds (SmartQ with a keyboard??)...

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 15:10

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
In regards to open source collaboration what does the Intel/Nokia announcement mean:
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Open Source Software Collaboration

The effort also includes technology development and cooperation in several open source software initiatives in order to develop common technologies for use in the Moblin and Maemo platform projects, which will deliver Linux-based operating systems for these future mobile computing devices.

The companies are coordinating their Open Source technology selection and development investments, including alignment on a range of key Open Source technologies for Mobile Computing such as: oFono*, ConnMan*, Mozilla*, X.Org*, BlueZ*, D-BUS*, Tracker*, GStreamer*, PulseAudio*.

----------------------------------
In clear text, more commitment to relevant projects for Maemo.

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 15:12

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Maemo and Moblin will continue to exist as software platforms, no change to current situation but we will align more of what is underneath the UI framework and APIs.

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2009-06-23 15:13

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
What does the Intel/Nokia announcement mean in regards to hardware for Maemo Devices?

We will have more choices finetuned for Nokia, also for Maemo Devices. Not only ARM-based chipsets, but also other options.

benny1967 2009-06-23 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298989)
... but we will align more of what is underneath the UI framework and APIs.

...which is probably the best news of all.

The enemy is fragmentation.

jsmanrique 2009-06-23 15:17

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298989)
Maemo and Moblin will continue to exist as software platforms, no change to current situation but we will align more of what is underneath the UI framework and APIs.

Nice to read that...

jsmanrique 2009-06-23 15:21

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
It seems than Stefan will be live posting from the keynote:
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/06/23...of-device.html

gerbick 2009-06-23 15:26

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
While not exactly bad news... it's rather boring.

ARJWright 2009-06-23 15:31

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298989)
Maemo and Moblin will continue to exist as software platforms, no change to current situation but we will align more of what is underneath the UI framework and APIs.

Very cool; sounds less like a netbook and more like pushing the IT to the area in computing that it needs to go (think: Kindle+Maemo+near Morph)...

...Intel getting in on the open source end here is what they should have done from the beginning with Nokia/Maemo though. I always felt that Moblin was not a smart move except from its nearly clean-sheet perspective.

Eldar Murzan (sp?) talked about an IT-like device (N97 with the feel of a notebook) that would be something on the plate as a really revolutionary device for this year. I wonder if this partnership is the further pushing of that platform, and even more, the positioning of Maemo as having a much bigger role in the driving of Nokia's device and community interactions for the short-term...

...in a sense, a company becoming a broker and service-tier provider, utilizing their influence and relationships to create the kind of energy that open source commuities have only had in spurts.

That's the kind of thing that will change all kinds of ballgames... uhmmm

sjgadsby 2009-06-23 15:40

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmanrique (Post 298983)
so who has missed the "g" between Fremantle and Harmattan?

Already used: Gregale.

jsmanrique 2009-06-23 15:45

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 299008)
Already used: Gregale.

True!! Sorry, I am getting older too quickly :)

johnkzin 2009-06-23 17:08

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skatebiker (Post 298970)
Or windows 7 (Windows 8 in 2011)

eeww!!

No! Blech.

johnkzin 2009-06-23 17:11

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
So, the main thing I got out of reading along in the live feed was: Maemo and Moblin will be cross-pollinating/sharing innovations/etc.

Which is good. Not as good as a Maemo Netbook announcement, or "Moblin is giving up, and we're all just going to use Maemo", but it's a step forward.

(I hope it doesn't mean moving away from Debian and toward Redhat... I seem to recall that a few months back, Intel announced that Moblin would move from .deb packages to RPM packages... bleh)

Bundyo 2009-06-23 17:25

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
What exactly is good in "Moblin is giving up, and we're all just going to use Maemo"? I'd rather have two frameworks sharing ideas and code than one monopoly.

qole 2009-06-23 17:31

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
I hope this means some serious hardware improvement on Intel's part, to get battery life to competitive levels with ARM.

I find it interesting how Intel is winning this war; not like Microsoft, who goes in there and bludgeons the competition to death, but through careful alliances and negotiations with key players like Apple and Nokia. They woo the competition's clients away from the competition rather than trying to destroy the competition directly...

Very clever...

SD69 2009-06-23 17:34

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298990)
We will have more choices finetuned for Nokia, also for Maemo Devices.

That's very nice and all.

This is what Peter said in late 2008...

"We will be able to built different kind of high-performance multimedia computers with touch screen that fit into your pocket."

We will... We will...

When will the sentence start with "we have..."?

benny1967 2009-06-23 17:39

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 299037)
What exactly is good in "Moblin is giving up, and we're all just going to use Maemo"? I'd rather have two frameworks sharing ideas and code than one monopoly.

right. especially now that we see maemo changing quite a bit on the outside... and not everybody likes these changes. having more than 1 option is always good.

gerbick 2009-06-23 17:41

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 299040)
That's very nice and all.
This is what Peter said in late 2008...

"We will be able to built different kind of high-performance multimedia computers with touch screen that fit into your pocket."

We will... We will...

This reminds me of the early 1990 ads by AT&T "You Will"... half of that stuff took almost a decade to come true.

I'm starting to liken the fact that Nokia will deliver anything close to what's hyped to be about the same timeline.

qole 2009-06-23 18:06

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 299043)
This reminds me of the early 1990 ads by AT&T "You Will"... half of that stuff took almost a decade to come true.

That was a great link. Thank you for that wonderful flash into the past. Thanks to AT&T, I can now send a fax from the beach!

(Wait, send a .. what?)

(EDIT: Tucked my baby in from a what?)

"Daddy?"
"Yes, dear?"
"What's a phone booth?"

timsamoff 2009-06-23 18:46

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298979)
PS: Pure coincidence that the release following Harmattan starts with "I". Has nothing to do with Intel. I didn't make the Latin alphabet.

I'll bet you guys are just loving that coincidence, eh? Ouch. :p

Tim

Lord Raiden 2009-06-23 18:57

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298935)
Patience, gentlemen. We haven't announced anything yet...

lol. Yes, sir! :D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298971)
Let me remind you what we have said about Maemo 5: Maemo 5 will support OMAP3 processors i.e. ARM Cortex A8 technology, not more, not less.

WOOHOO! I'd expect nothing less from you guys. :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298979)
Are we in a bit negative mood today? ;-)

Maemo 5 is a crucial step in the evolution of Maemo to a mainstream software platform. The evolution of Maemo will not stop with Maemo 5 as you indicated but continue with Harmattan and then with some release starting with an "I".

PS: Pure coincidence that the release following Harmattan starts with "I". Has nothing to do with Intel. I didn't make the Latin alphabet.

lol. :) Awesome sense of humor! :D Also, I'm really encouraged about the upcoming evolutions of the Maemo platform. It should be quite fun to see where this all ends up at.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 298984)

Danke. This will be a useful link to post on my site. :D
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 298958)
That never stopped us from making speculative threads with thousands of posts :D

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH that is so the truth these days! ^_^

GeraldKo 2009-06-23 19:53

Re: Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
 
I like this:

Ars Technica article: New Intel/Nokia partnership a huge win for mobile Linux

"Nokia's Linux-based Maemo platform, which powers the company's Internet Tablet devices, is a mature and highly-polished solution for handheld ARM devices." (???)


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