goodness, nit is slow
 

After reading

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817...069TX1K0001121

thought i'd benchmark microb on my n800, an hour later (!) I had the results.

microb : 645227.0ms yes that's 645 seconds per itteration
microb with webkit : 47213.8ms
tear : 50944.6ms

from the above review :
iphone 3GS : 27272ms
iphone 3GS with safari : 3606ms
ie7 on hp mini 110 : 411,168ms

yes the n800/n810 designs are probably 3-4 years old but the standard microb performance is embarrising.

Wonder where all the iphone performance is coming from ? As the n800/810 are primarily for web browsing i'm amazed that web-kit is not part of one of the upgrades we have had.

hope nokia does better with its next offering.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

You're comparing an OMAP2 device with a computer and two OMAP3 devices. Nuff said.

Although, I won't deny that MicroB isn't great.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

I disagree with your statement and I agree with his original assessment. Why DOES Nokia prefer to include such a terribly slow implementation on a product that was primarily intended to be an Internet device?

I can't use MicroB anymore--can't tolerate it. I actually wish I could make Tear the default and free up the space that MicroB is using up that could better be used by some other data or application.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

And IE7 is still closer to MicroB than to WebKit :D

Btw, guys, don't forget that most browser optimizations and the introduction of JIT were during the last year. In fact FF3.5 is not even out yet, while Safari 4 and Chrome 2 got out the last several weeks.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Well, I detest MicroB too (and hated it even more when they introduced browserd) and much prefer Tear with its webkit. Tear does really show what this hardware can do.

But Nokia could only work with what they had hardware-wise at the time, can't blame 'em for that. Won't argue with you about MicroB though.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

2 times faster than microb with webkti is not a huge difference, specially when considering the hardware.

Besides the fact that this is Javascript benchmark, this doesent mean that the iphone 3GS render web pages 2 times faster than the best the N8x0 can do. (Even if it may)

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

13 times faster with webkit vs microb.

Probably says more about the lifetime of tech toys than anything else. N900 benchmark result will be interesting, if its not up to par then nokia may have problems.

Agree with sentiments about validity of processor comparisons and recent api upgrades, but the later can be solved by sw upgrades.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Agreed, they worked with what they had at the time--but no, wait.. WebKit's been around for a LONG time now, hasn't it? hmmmm. :) And didn't they start out with Opera and switch to the gecko engine? Why didn't they do continue that trend on to webkit?

More importantly, why can't I uninstall microB or their default media player or any of these components I don't want and where I prefer the truly open and much more functional alternative? Seems like a waste of resources to leave the stuff on there that I never use or even detest now.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

sheesh I guess I'm impressed..my Archos 5 pulls it off
in 123146 ms ...
for the record I also own an 810 and an itouch

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Just wait until Bundyo gets the ARM js optimizations & JIT added to Maemo Webkit. Zoom! ;)

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Gecko was the best thing available when they started work on MicroB, unfortunately its development soon sped ahead of Nokia after that. As for why they didn't ship a real update (which would improve the JS times by leaps and bounds), well, they had diverged a lot from trunk, were in the "fixes only" period and couldn't really manage going that unstable for Diablo.

Too bad, really, but what can you do? Thankfully upgrading the engine in the fully-opensource Fremantle MicroB should be a lot simpler.

WebKit was a joke at the time they started work on MicroB. While it's certainly seen huge improvement since then, you're delusional if you think it's so much better than Gecko now that it would justify the time and costs that it would take to do another engine migration.

Besides, Nokia has plans for XULRunner and WebKit doesn't offer anything equivalent.

Whatever, I've been over all of this several times before. Trust me (or don't) when I say they have good reasons for doing things as they have.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

And yet... nothing for us with prior hardware. "Fixed in Fremantle"... might as well say that and be done with it.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Good to hear the community are still supporting the hardware. Commercialy a company is unlikely to support anything past a year now. Look forward to jit in webkit, and maybe mer or similar to keep my n800 going longer term.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

I think that's one of those things that are popular to say but in reality is far from true. I can think of more devices I have that are older than a year and still receives updates (os/firmware/apps) than any that doesn't.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

But. MicroB is slow but shows virtually all webpages. Others like Tear are too beta (i.e it crashes at some webpages or does not display it properly). I did not see any browser running on a Nokia phone (e.g. 5800) which displays so many webpages properly. MicroB has a changeable user agent which allows you to see the full web pages of some sites which show only limited WAP content on phone browsers.
And I agree an internet device should be supplied with a faster browser.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Any word on when that might be? Tear is awesome as-is, but with Zoom!-ability, it would be even better. :P

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

ARM JIT only accelerates javascript and by only 15% so don't hold your breath - its not a priority at least for me. It has been only tested with the QT branch AFAIK but maybe that changed.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

a 15% JS improvement would still be a great help, but what we have is still good; I can wait, but I hope you do get around to it eventually. :P

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

You almost can't say that for the 770 or N810. Both were dropped in under 18 months. That's poor support in my opinion.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Sometimes I'm really happy that I'm 40+ now.

Not to care about things like speed differences in browsers is probably one of the benefits that come with age. ;)

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

So as I was saying.. yes Tear is impressive
(my Archoke died in the middle of my post, damned thing needs a diesel
generator for true portability)
My iTouch 8G scores 109242
Tear scores 47505
Microb can't run the test at all (kills connection and hangs)

If anyone is still following this thread..I can't for the life of me find any
user instructions for Tear (ie shortcuts, zoom features, navigation) and I'm sure that it's capable of a lot more but I can find no real end-user
documentation. Any tips?
Cheers

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

New person here. I use skyfire on my N95 8gb and when I connect it up to the N810 via bluetooth the N810 doesn't seem so bad on speed. Could be much faster, definitely much slower than Skyfire browser on my N95 8gb.
Can someone please explain to me a few things.
Someone here refered to browserd as a web browser, is that the defualt one that I am using?
Whenever I run task manager that thing is taking up thirty something mbs of ram even after just turning the N810 on and i am not even using the internet yet. I also see some other task running taking up a lot of mb's after just turning on the tablet called osso mediaserv ....something like that.
I'd like to kill both of these if they are not being used.
Can i download tear? Should i download tear? Will it open up veoh.com and hulu.com?
Someone mentioned xulrunner, what is that because i saw it under downloadables before?
Should i go get it?
Some of the descriptions for these downloads are too short and don't really let me know if i should download it or not. A lot don't have screen shots. There are a lot with technical descriptions that make me just pass them up because i have no idea what they are talking about.
I guess i shouldn't complain since everything is free and i am grateful for a lot of the programmers work. But you don't see that on Ovi store for Nseries devices even for free apps.
Maybe if some of the programmers were allowed to display donation links we would get a little more development going.
What do you think?
I'd definitely donate 20 bucks here or there to some of the program writers.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Responding to a small bit of your post. By all means download tear.

The general conclusion on Hulu iis that the NITs lack the power to play those videos. (Ditto, btw, for YouTube -- except through the dedicated YouTube players: mytube & canola & digia@web.)

Keep browserd. You could try killing it on an ad hoc basis; but you need it for the default browser MicroB, and tear is not yet a 100% replacement for Microb.

What's generally worth uninstalling is metalayer-crawler. Learn more with the Newbie link below.

Re: goodness, nit is slow
 

Be aware that the RAM usage numbers that it reports aren't particularly useful for judging the real RAM usage.