Anybody pre-ordering Viliv X70?
 

My N810 is a must-keep, but occsionally I feel the need to do some "office work" on a bigger screen (e.g. when travelling), and have been looking for something between the N8x0 and a regular laptop. Viliv X70 (7") and Touch Book (8.9") both look good; which do you prefer?

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm
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I shall hold back on the Viliv X70 until Windows 7 is out and also to wait for the next gen Intel hardware.

In the meantime I have ordered a SmartQ7 to tide me over and to give me the feel as for how useful a 7" screen is.

Who knows, maybe the Archos 9" tablet will be even more practical?
http://www.archos.com/products/nb/ar...try=dj&lang=en

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Funny you mentioned Q1: I just put my Samsung Q1P on Ebay. If you must, get a Q1U (my preference would be Q1UP V). Q1 with a 7" screen and 800x480 resolution (Q1U has 1200x600) is not much better than N810--you still need to scroll horizontally. Q1's virtual keyboard takes up half of the screen and is inconvenient when you just want to type a short URL or PW (Q1U's split keyboard should be better). I just ordered a used HP TC1100 to get a feel of a 10.1" screen.

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Sorry, SmartQ7 looked like Samsung Q1 at a glance.

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That's ok, we are only talking about the screen size anyway and the Q1 7" with 800 x 480 resolution is identical to the SmartQ 7.

It will be interesting as to how you find the 10.1" HP.

The beauty of the SmartQ is that it is cheap to experiment with and is designed to run Linux Ubuntu from the outset.

Mine is due to ship around 30th June.

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After my recent experiment with the Samsung Q1 UMPC, I pretty much ruled out 7" and am now deciding between HP TC1100 (10.1") and Motion Computing's M1400 (12.1")--although I have a feeling that 12.1" may be too big. Newer versions exist in both cases, but I wanted to start with a used unit first. You can get either one used for $300-$350.

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does the viliv have something other than windows support? Otherwise, the choice is pretty easy.

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last year I had the same dilemma as you have, I tried several options and I settled for the Clevo TN70M. This is 7" tablet with a keyboard with a tilt screen like the ASUS Eee T91. Since then I never use the N800.
The possibility of using the device as a Netbook (using the keyboard) and as a tablet is amazing, since there are times I need to write a lot (e.g. on train) and i use it as a netbook using the keyboard, and when I am browsing the net, reading the RSS feeds, etc, I close it as a tablet and it is more practical.
The device has the mouse pad and buttons on the side of the screen and this is key to be usable it as a tablet, since it makes live easier using any application.

If I could make a small change would be to have a 9" display. The one I have with 7" (set at 800x600) although it supports 1024x768 but it is difficult to read small text with the higher resolution on the 7" display.
I hardly us the laptop I have at work, since with this device I can do everything, and even use it to do my presentations (has a VGA port). Weights less than 1Kg and fits in my small bag. Runs for 5 hours on batteries.
I would recommend something similar. You can install Ubuntu or Windows. There are newer models on the market now.

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Apart from the form factor these are very different machines, so the choice should be easy. If you need windows apps, don't care about the extra 200$ and don't require it to be always-on, x70. OTOH if generic linux apps are good enough for you (and don't mind the occasional NIT style tinkering to get something done), and would like it to be online (im, email) all the time, and care about the 200$, touchbook (with some reservations as it's not actually shipping yet). Personally, I don't have a windows machine so I have no use-case for the viliv (the price difference makes it uninteresting to put linux on it even if possible), but I'm likely the minority in that regard.

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The original publicity sheet gave the os as XP/Linux
http://www.myviliv.com/ces/main_x70atom.html

The most recent info page shows the os as Windows XP Home only
http://www.myviliv.com/eng/product/x70atom.asp

As to whether there is anything significant in the omission remains to be seen, I guess.

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If i can have only one device, it would be a tablet PC that has a 9" display w/ 1024x600 resolution and weights less than 2 pounds. With this device, I can do some "office work" either at home or travelling (so Windows would be preferable), and read RSS feeds/surf internet in bed comfortably.

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The Viliv X70 looks like a great device, with one exception. It's running Windows. If it ran some flavor of Linux I'd endorse it, but not while it's running Windows. And I have more reasons for that statement than just "it's running Windows". First off, Linux is faster, better on battery life, more secure, cheaper, etc. In other words, it's just better with Linux. :)

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All true, but does it do Windows Office Outlook?

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Actually - yes.

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Good to know. But I am a consumer, not a techie. I need things to work right out of the box, without much tinkling. I bought one N8770, two N800s (one for Mrs.) and one N810 only because they are pocketable. Learned a few things about Linux along the way, am grateful for that. But I regret to say that if I were ever forced to choose one OS, it would be Windows, for all kinds of reasons.

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Then why are you on Windows? (as opposed to a Mac)

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I have learned to use Windows (right up to Vista) over the years.

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Me too, so what? :)

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OH man, I think I just about died laughing when I read that. :D I'd ask the same question of him, except I'd say Linux, since Windows doesn't "just work" as so many claim it does. In fact, it does a spectacular job of "not working". :p

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Go ahead and laugh. Currently I am in my third corporate environment. In all three institutions Windows was/is the default OS. So I had to learn to survive. Maybe I should have also learned Mac OS or Linux, but since they were not required, I never felt the need to. Let's face it, we all have different areas of interest. You know your computer, I know my 6-7 languages (I use N810 to read RSS feeds from 5 countries, European and Asian, every day). unlike you, I don't expect people to have the same kinds of skills.

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I believe you are misunderstanding. The point is people tend to think something is easy and works IF they are familiar with it, and think something is complicated and not 'just works' because they're not/less familiar with it. MacOS came into the picture as 'just works' is their motto and they do put a lot of effort into simplifying things (sometimes to the point of loosing functionality - but hey).

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Good point Attila77. Familiarity does a lot to dictate the sense of "works" and "doesn't work". There's also a huge element involved in this too where people say "I already know this, so why should I learn anything else?" I suspect that some of that comes from repeatedly having your head drilled into the wall by your teachers in college and high school such that you're sick of learning by the time you hit the real world. So that may partially contribute to that attitude. (I know I was for a number of years)

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I've had 2 N800's and 1 N810 and they have been really great for websurfing/short documents/navigation/multimedia in weird places on the planet. I bought a MSI Wind six months ago. Didn't like XP on it. Tried every Linux distro until I found one that's works pretty much out of the box (Kubuntu). Now it has been delegated my on the go doc writing/multimedia machine and the N800/N810 websurfing/navigation. I think that one needs a larger machine for the writing/multimedia and the tablets work really good for the websurfing/navigation roles (though as i grow older, then screen is getting harder to read.... :) )

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Sorry to disagree. Hundreds of people work in my institutions. Windows is everywhere, so is technical support. I was told that I could request a Mac, but if anything went wrong, there would be no support. If you think I would be eager to get one of those "just work" machines, you must be out of your mind. Hey LordRaiden: by your logic, since you know English so well, why don't you study a new language, such as Chinese, or Russian? Speak for yourself with this life learning thing, I am 62 years old, and don't need lecture from anybody.

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I've worked in several very large companies where they had that attitude toward learning anything new. Thankfully, in order to remain efficient and competitive, they opened up and then realized it wasn't nearly as difficult or as expensive as they'd expected--in fact, we've been proving it to be a particularly impression advantage to be open to things we're not used to and giving them a chance sometimes.

If you're going to use seniority and age as a reason not to be lectured to, certainly you must have the wisdom and experience to also open yourself up to possibly being proven wrong and shown something new and better without the barriers put up by such excuses as 'this is what I know'. I doubt you'll have such a limitation once you've had your 'Ahha!' moment in something new.

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Do you even have the capacity to read? I hate to sound like a broken record, but let me repeat for the last time: people should not be expected to have the same set of skills. I know 6-7 languages, and do keep up with technologies (does the fact that I visit this forum mean anything to you?). Tell you what: you promise to perfect one foreign language, then I promise to become a Linux expert. Deal?

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What do sets of skills have to do with anything in this matter ? You said you have on-site Windows tech support/policy/recommendation, and that's ok, from that point on you don't have to justify anything further. It works the other way round, too - my grandmother uses Linux because she has me for tech support as the family policy is that I don't mess with Windows installs :)

Note that languages might be a good skill base for comparison, as it is heavily influenced by the environment (say, I'm also at 4-5 extra languages as a result of childhood/schooling circumstances even though my core competence is in engineering, but this might also be a 'European thing').

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It's good that you have some understanding, attila77. I know this is a linux-related forum, but some enthusiasts forget that Windows is a legitimate OS (the default OS in most corporations), and that learning to use Windows does take some efforts too. As to language, you are lucky being a European; I had to go out and study for many years.