Fennec 1.0 Beta 2...
 

http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2009/06...ses-available/

More info: http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/06/26/new-fennec-releases/

Tim

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P.S. Is there a reason why Mozilla isn't going through the Extas-Devel process like everyone else has to?

Tim

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Because they're using their own repository. You don't have to go through the extras-devel process, it's just highly recommended to make everything work well. Mozilla opted to set up their own repository, so they avoid having to deal with the extras builder.

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Well, I know that.

What I mean is... Since Maemo Devices are working hand-in-hand on Fennec and other Mozilla-based items (e.g., browser add-ons, etc.), I was wondering why Mozilla isn't adhering to Maemo application release "guidelines." It seems like this would have been a request from Maemo and something that Mozilla would have been happy to oblige.

Tim

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I just installed it to try it out.
It's about 10-11MB.

It's a very "pretty" browser...but man..does it ever SUCK for actually USING it as a broswer!!

I wanted to kill myself after 15 minutes of using it.
Never been so happy to uninstall anything.

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Would you please say why? I'm sure Mozilla would also like to know.

Also can anyone say if it would be reasonable on an N800 without pulling out a bluetooth keyboard?

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Funny. My experience is different.

This version is very snappy. Touch-interaction is working much better than previously. Pages are loading faster, zoom works good (especially with double-taps), and I have found very few "drawing" errors.

My only (main) gripe at this point is the size of the install! But, I'm sure that will be fixed by the RC, at least.

There are still a couple of minor UI inconsistencies as well, but nothing that can't be ignored for now.

Tim

P.S. maemo.org looks great in it!

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1) It opens slow
2) It has no scroll-bar to the right,
3) It crashed twice
4) It was often impossible to tell when/why the virtual keyboard was showing
5) The need to scroll to the far right to go back
6) ...

Not my comments: "doesnt understand stateful-shift for passwords on Maemo or even apostrophe in text input fiields"

All I can remember...the whole experience was less than pleasant.

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True. This will most likely be fixed. (And, actually, after opening it the first time, each subsequent launch was quicker.)

But it has pretty robust and smooth kinetic scrolling by dragging your finger.

I haven't experienced this yet. Do you have specific URLs?

Weird. Again, I have not seen this.

In terms of screen real estate, I was ok with this. But, I can see why it would annoy some people. Someone could probably write a finger gesture add-on to fix this. ;)

Oh, ok. Yeah, I can see that. :p

Tim

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I went to Pavlov's site to download GraffitiTwit and somewhere on the road there it froze. Worked the next time. I got a raster/checkered pattern over the screen.

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That doesn't necessarily mean that Fennec "froze" or "crashed" -- that's how undrawn regions of the webpage are displayed until the information can be downloaded. I'm not saying that you didn't, in fact, freeze (we are still talking about a Beta version of the application after all), but it could just be that either (a) there were server issues on the website end, or (b) there were issues on your internet connection end.

Tim

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Like with introducing a browser daemon? :D

As said many times, the scrollbar has double usage. And some people sometimes like to go from point A to point B faster.

Its not a bad browser UI, but its UX has some rough edges still.

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The digi@web browser is way better than the fennec browser.

You guys should try it.

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The UI is nicer than in beta 1, it's faster and some pages are rendered perfectly, but even though it's coming along great, it still has a long way to go. Also, I agree with Tim on the install size...ouch!

Maybe some screenies for people that wanna see it before installing it? ;)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8110/screenshot00.png

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8235/screenshot02l.png

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6712/screenshot03q.png

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5...nshot04tgk.png

EDIT: Sorry, my bad. Late last night + groggy = bad image links. :o

Jesse~

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The autobuilder wont build it. The current version that is in Extras currently is there due to X-Fade uploading it directly into free.

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Vade retro satana

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Pretty simular... and both are resource hogs.

I like how Fennec has an application launcher that provides options. It comes in handy when you encounter various video formats as you surf. :)

The on screen keyboard pops up and moves out of the way fine using my N800 however, the "Copy"/"Paste" menu pops up behind the keyboard and it obscures those buttons...

Both Fennec and the digi@web browser still need plenty of work, only one will eventually be FOS though. :)

EDIT: A copy/paste work around is to tap and hold in the addy bar until the menu pops up.

ALSO: I just found that Fennec runs locally stored flash (swf files). For me, digi@web went into a download loop whenever I tried to run locally stored flash.

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Screenies are not showing up for me... Try these. :)

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Just for the sake of curiosity does anyone else have issues with typing in numbers? I'm using the latest version with a N810 and whenever I try to type the numbers in my password it doesn't register them correctly, I have to copy and paste them over from the notes app, does anyone else have this problem?

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Updated my post. Sorry about the bad image links. It was late and I was tired and not on my PC.

Jesse~

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I tried it , I could not open the thumb keypad, and when I want to open the small keypad and wanted to paste an URL, I was unable to paste it (the copy/paste popup showed briefly and disappeared immediately. Furthermore I could not make new bookmarks, only bookmark folders. And the letters are so small even for this hi-res screen that I cannot read them properly.
Conclusion: crap, or at least too much beta, and I uninstalled it.
I hope in future versions that these issues are solved.
A positive point is that the user interface looks intuitive and checking on sites it does luckily not use a 'mobile' user agent, MicroB does neither.
That is why I use the N810 browser rather than a browser on a phone which shows limited WAP versions of some sites.

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Definitely getting better. Trying to browse facebook is a good way to demonstrate many of its flaws though.

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Try out the geolocation feature of the new Fennec release at
http://ttklf4.tempw8.internet1.de/m/New1/Search.aspx

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Somehow the install killed my previous install.
Removed the update and tried to install again. Claims to have installed. Won't launch. Oh well, wasn't used much anyway.

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Actually my experience was quite good. Good enough to considering moving from the standard browser. However I had some problems scrolling in Google Reader, particularly, which is a known bug. Curiously a few times it worked, but most of the time it didn't. Looking forward to future versions that will iron out most of the problems.

All in all, a solid addition and a good second option where browsers are concerned.

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Hi there,
I been using my N810 since January this year and love it, but I have been not satisfied with the websurfing , the speed and the reliability . I have tried all the browsers, and am finally satisfied, this 2nd beta of fennec is great, it is the fastest and most reliable, I am not scared of following a url in a web page for fear of never getting there. It is still buggy, but after using it for the past week, I can work around most of them, eg. soft keyboard does not work properly, just slide open the hw keyboard to overcome any issues if using n810 . You are definitely missing out if you don't give it a few trial, it is that fast and never goes of into a endless loop....Neville.

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I have Fennec installed, but I rarely use it. It's not really "fast enough" for me yet. I prefer Tear over MicroB over Fennec. Once Fennec is finished, I'm sure it'll be a really great browser to have in place instead of MicroB, but even then, I'll still be rooting for Tear as it's, to me and quite a few others, the fastest browser available and still very compatible.

I like Fennec, don't get me wrong, but I'll wait til it's faster/more compatible to really dig in.

Jesse~

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G'day Jesse,
I guess its personal preference, a couple of things I like in Fennec, is the kinetic scrolling is slower and so doesn't go for pages on each flick of the stylus. Also that the stylus can be placed anywhere on the screen when scrolling and wont select any urls the stylus may land on, similar to Ipod touch, which I believe has a fantastic UI.
Neville.

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I used it on about 10 different webpages. Still not usable IMO. I like Tear personaly, it seems about 5 times as fast, can login maemo.org and allows me to select something on the page without zooming to 500 percent by accident. But fennecs off-page controls are truly awesome.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I was really interested in Fennec until I got Tear. Does Fennec work properly yet with map sites & web mail sites that use double-tap to mean something different than Fennec's zoom feature?

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It's usable, but not very usable yet. It's still in beta and lacking a few things. From what I know, it still has trouble with some sites but I'm sure that'll be fixed soon enough.

Jesse~

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I have problems logging onto websites. For some reason I can type in my login information, but not the password.

When I click on the password box the N800 keyboard comes up, but when I try to type nothing comes out no hidden characters or anything. I thought myabe they were there but not showing, but it won't login, I get error every time.

Any ideas? Other than this I love the browser!

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Feel exactly the same. Fennec really screwed up majorly. It seems like they have no people working on it. And major bugs (like input handling) are still open 3 months later.

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Well, maybe they don't push it hard on Maemo, but what about WM? Didn't try it, but maybe someone did?

And there's another thing - the way versioning is going, they'll have 1.0 ready right on time for Fremantle.