My take on N800/810 vs Iphone
 

I've got two friends who've been hyping the Iphone for quite some time.

Recently I made them a video of N800 usage/multitasking (terminals, chatting, MP3 playing, Canola, surfing, Maemo Mapper, killing some processes in the terminal, etc etc) and they were both very impressed.

Well, see for your self:
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/838458/MVI_7364.MOV
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/838458/MVI_7365.MOV

Also I noticed that a brand new N810 is about 210-220 Euros, which is almost so cheap you just got to get one even if you don't need one....Very nice price for such handy devices...

Just ordered two used ones, both for 150 euros. Hope they are in good condition as promised....

Sure hope Nokia can get it's act together with the N900 and future devices to compete with others...

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If you're in the UK Expansys has the N810 for £149.99:
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=158518
That's about 175 Euros I think?
Don't know about shipping to Europe, though.
(Disclaimer: I don't have any connection with Expansys and don't endorse them in any way.)

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Videos make my N810 look a little flat. But still multi tasking is awesome, I can record a meeting while taking notes and looking up info on the web. nothing to touch it yet.

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Yes I sold my N810 and now have regrets. I picked up a 2nd hand 3G Iphone, has a real neat factor but no way for DUN networking and I refuse to get placed into 2 YEAR PRISON SENTENCE with AT&T.

I have Jailbroke and unlocked the unit and now run Tmobile for a pay as you go for data and phone service, but not much Tmobile service and Edge data is snail slow.

Looking at another N810 on EBAY....for what it is worth.:eek:

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With what do you record the meeting? (I've found Maemo Recorder problematic.)

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Today I just saw the iPhone 3GS, proudly announcing that... the iPhone now had.... copy & paste (not cut, btw).

I laughed. It was funny. The "presenter" was not speaking about unusual copy paste combinations, requiring overly complex implementations like OLE. He just copied and pasted some text and a bitmap. No formatting. Hell, I even shared the laugh with some still-using-a-featurephone (with copy&paste) friends. One of them even said, word per word, "I though It could do that already".

I am sorry, but everybody who has bought an iPhone deserves it (note that I'm not insulting anyone).
There's no way you're going to convince them with features alone (and this should make you --and me-- think twice before faithfully repeating again that "that this bug/feature needs to be fixed in order for maemo to be a success"). Now, if you have bricks or some other throwable projectile... ;)

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Love my N810 and you couldn't give me IPhone 3GS. My son has one and he pays $90 per month with AT&T for unlimited everything. I pay nothing for everything with my N810, ha ha ha. Now with Google Voice it is even better.

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The only thing I envy about the iPhone when I see it is..usually when I see them, I don't have an internet connection (I don't have a data plan on my cell phone). If I had a constant internet connection I'd be jealous free.

Though you might want to point out to your son he's not really paying for unlimited everything (at least I think so). He's paying for what cell phone service providers like to say is "unlimited", but if you try to use it, they'll clamp down on you.

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I hear ya, I've had mine for about four days now and I'm in love with it. My friends back home boguht into the craze... one got the iphone 3gs and the other bought the palm pre. well i know the one that bought the pre is happy, but was always a palm fan and likes it, but the other always had phone issues, from dropped calls to it cutting out on him while at home and at work ( places he frequents a lot during the week:p ) and he thought once he got the almighty iphone all these problems would go away since to him it was new an advanced, well needless to say they didnt but since this is his first "real smart phone" ( aside from the old one i gave him, pantech duo) he is acting like he's so much more technologically inclined now it's stiffering... but funny, becuase i struggled to learn what i know about my device by reading these threads and forums but he just clicks big colorful pictures otherwise known as apps to do things. no biggie though it all in what you make of it and if it works for you, then hey... workout:cool:

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Here's something I really envy of iphone owners: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb This would fit the internet tablet even better than the iphone with the stand and a bigger screen.

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I agree wholeheartedly. I have AT&T and need a new phone since my blackberry is dying. I thought about the $99 iphone 3g, but then considered the fact that you do everything but make calls through the itunes store...And since Apple has a strong sense of xenophobia and all I have at home is Linux, that is unacceptable.

So its off to some other phone...Not sure what yet. And still happily have my N810.

Thats something that really irritates me. The phone vendors and the service providers have some kind of plot to keep phones off of the different networks. Since I have AT&T, that means I am limited to the iphone, or the selection of other crappy phones. I have to go to TMobile to get an Android phone, or Sprint for the Palm pre or Verizon for the Blackberry Storm (I know, Verizon uses CDMA rather than GSM...)

But the vendors should make all phones available to all services.

jalladin, you're at Kunsan? How do you like the Land of the Morning Calm? :)
--vr

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Well I guess I'll play the iPhone fan i this thread. I own, n810, 770, iPod Touch and a iPhone 3G. I wouldn't give my iPhone away as a phone for my N810 because well N810 isn't a phone. Like the iPhone isn't a Internet Tablet. iPhone has its down falls and screen size for a phone is't one of them if it was any bigger it wouldn't fit in my pocket as well. The person who said he has Unlimited everything for free on his N810 how do you have unlimited free internet on your tablet. You are still playing for the internet for your cell phone. I don't mind people discussing the differences between the two but get thing right and make sense when you say it. Like you don't have to get all your applications from Apple you can jailbreak and get Cydia for installing applications. Nokia is finally getting smart and working on an App store or there phones because that is what people want. I can't be leave anyone who uses a Nokia Tablet isn't as pissed off as I have always been for the limited number of applications that will run on the tablets. The only thing that has made my half way happy is using Mer or Easy Deb for running other apps I can get for Maemo.

Also VulcanRidr you can use the phones on other services you just have to pay full price for the phones.

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I have an N800 and do have free unlimited internet. Many cities such as mine have free WiFi throughout the entire city. Also the company where I work has WiFi.

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No cut? Says who?

http://gerbick.com/images/cut.jpg

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I mean that the ad did never explicitly said "cut", but just copy & paste (probably a translation "decay") -- and since that menu was only shown in the browser there was no "cut" option.

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OMG they must have added some super amazing hardware to the 3gs to be able to pull off copy and paste! That functionality alone is the biggest selling point ever!

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Heh, I know, right? It's like 1987 all over again with Wordstar.

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Well, since the websites aren't your creation, "cut" unless you're pulling from input areas/textboxes would make sense. You can't do that on the N810 either.

And the bad thing about ads... they'll make a typical feature seem like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Copy/Cut/Paste... yay!

Meh. I have an iPhone, but as far as it goes... I'm looking for the replacement.

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This reminds me of an Apple-related story I posted on Slashdot long ago.

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I doubt an iPhone thread has comments like this. This is reason enough for me to prefer a NIT. :)

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Wordstar. Holy Mother of God, what a flashback. But yes, it's unlikely you'll come across comments like that at a typical Mac forum. I invite you to click on this link and read the first page thread titles just to further validate your statement. But you've been warned.

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Haha. Did I go back too far?

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Too far? No, not too far. But I'm not sure you could go back much further. In fact, you probably could have started with, "In the beginning..." and you wouldn't have lossed points for accuracy. Anyway, thanks for helping me dust off some cobwebs.

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@daperl, I used your link and could not figure out what I was supposed to look at. I just want to say though, the mac forum place looks extremely boring! Its like an ancient website that hasn't been updated for like ten years. At least this site has some visual appeal.

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Sorry, maybe the "I've returned my iPhone 11 times this month and I just found an invisible scratch on the back, what should I do?" thread fell off the first page.

I just clicked over there, this was #3:

"The official way to plug in your iphone?"

Most of those people are tools, or maybe they're just squeaky wheels... No, they're just tools.

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and it ended up -1, ouch. seems the apple faithful got to it...

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heh, tools. can never get the hang of that "label"...

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Actually, that's the thread title: "Story: (-1; Flamebait)". I appended an "[Off-Topic]" to that, and my contribution wound up "2, Informative". It's quite a jumbled mess of real and self-inflicted ranking, really.

And now this has become "[Off-Topic]" also.

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oops, my bad ;)

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Well then that would be the same as using Free Wifi on iPhone.

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I particularly like the thread title, "Apple Legal Reportedly Hinders Reporter's Investigation of iPods Catching Fire". Some of the comments in this thread are hilarious, especially #4.

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That was excellent; I'm still laughing.

But dude, be careful, that forum is a vortex. First you're just looking for information about what's in the latest beta release, the next thing you know bottom feeding teenagers have stolen two hours of your life with threads like this. I think Satan uses the handle "babyjenniferLB" on that site. And sometimes "Cassie." The apocalypse is drawing nigh.

Kind of back on topic: Competition is good, but I'm taking a cautious stance for the time being as everyone is jockeying for position. The big players seem to be bringing their A games (Android, WebOS, iPhone OS, Nokia?, WinMo?, Moblin?) and we should all be winners in the end, but Maemo 5 is still vaporware, and I think there's gonna be a plethora of new offerings by year end. In the meantime, I have plenty of skills to solidify as this drama plays out. Or maybe it's just my drama. Regardless, it's a good time for tech, but that is usually accompanied by a certain amount of snake oil. Cool heads prevail; not including Steve Jobs.

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Ooh, it's going to be so much fun here when Maemo goes mainstream!

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Its okay, this it the first time I'v been stationed overseas and it really isnt that bad... although i will say, due to this being a remote tour and having a different mission (not really free to rome around fully... North Korea:mad: ) it can be a bit of a drag. but the culture is nice and places to go are interesting enough


Thanks for asking :D

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Yay hope so! We need more trolls! :D

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There's enough trolls here already.

As it stands, the pointing fingers at the "other camps" and other snobbish **** is what drives communities into "us or them" type of mentality and it's pretty horrific when it happens.

I support 5 different OS's on a daily basis: OS X, Win2k3 Server, Win2k8 Server, Red Hat Fedora and HP-UX... thank god I don't suffer with AIX any more after last month. Anyway, I'm not so faithful to any OS, they all work once you learn them.

Slagging off some clear n00bs, yeah... that's a way to win. Face it, you love Maemo to death. That's fine too. But sheesh, looking down your noses you tend to forget how flawed Maemo is. Repositories go down - remember when Canola 2 came out? Down. And there's other countless times.

Hell, we've had neophytes come here and the tone was downright nasty from certain people. And with the "sister site" (ok, I never used it) going down, at this rate, I'd tell people to stay the hell away from Maemo unless they want to geek it up for a while and actually learn something. I have my share of people asking me stupid iPhone questions when they see that I have one. I just had somebody ask me how to put music on it - no joke.

But I've seen nothing that states that the openness of Maemo is a sure-shot winner either. Hell, they can't even keep paid for products up-to-date. Let alone, provide a worthwhile alternative that doesn't require obscure repositories or 18 steps to get a possible beta IM program to work right once a change happens in either a server or protocol.

In short, once Maemo goes mainstream; I hope some of you people actually help them instead of look down your nose at them. I'll do my part.... which ain't much.

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I think understand what you're saying. That actually might have been the first time I've used that expression. Really. But I generally don't get out much and I'm a creature of habit; I'm usually not trying to find out how the other half lives 'cause I've been there/done that. I'm old. So, if you are similar, or you're just looking for adventure, I invite you to spend some of your quality time at forums such as the one I linked to, and you might surprise yourself at what you could get the hang of.