Mer and OVI API's ???
 

Will OVI API's be available for use in Mer? That is; is it concievable that an N800/810 could run Nokia maps, etc.

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I'm a little confused about Mer. Wondering the same things. Is it an extension of Maemo or just an alternative? What are the pros and cons?

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Mer is the next OS for the n800 and n810 tablets. The OS used for n900 will not be compatible with older tablets thus a community effort (sponsored by Nokia partially I think) the next (unofficial?) OS.

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so Mer is only for legacy devices? I would prefer Maemo to Mer, or is Mer adding more functions? And can Mer run on the N900?

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

You might find "Mer/About" helpful.

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Thanks sjgadsby...

Now back to the original question ;)
Do we know anything about these API's yet or will that all have to wait for Nokia World...

Will anybody be attending?

http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/d...nce-agenda.htm

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

sorry to hijack the thread, but I've read extensively about Mer, but don't understand completely, which is what has always scared me about Linux. I understand it that Mer is REPLACEMENT for Maemo/Diablo, but is this true for Freemantle as well? What I mean is is Mer an upgrade or downgrade from Freemantle, or just a quasi Freemantle for legacy devices?

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As a future RX-51/71 user, how much attention should I pay to Mer? Could it replace Maemo for Nokia as well?

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Please see the "Mer does what?!?!" thread. If it doesn't answer all your questions, please ask them there or in a new thread in the Alternatives forum.

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If we say Mer/N8x0 exclusively, then maybe. I don't know. Nokia doesn't have a problem pushing Nokia software to Nokia devices.

If Mer is sane enough for Ovi APIs, then it's really a matter of Nokia giving the go and recompiling. But it's all up to Nokia.

If Mer/everywhere - I highly doubt so :) Unless if Nokia wants to earn money on services independent of devices and use that Maemo API is on several devices.

Interesting discussion though. Someone suggest a lightning talk on the topic for summit of the pro- and cons of this stuff?

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What's is an "Ovi" API? Surely Nokia Maps for Fremantle is using Qt, Hildon, Gtk+, whatever like any other app on Maemo. Is there some "libovi" of which I'm unaware?

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Ask Nokia:

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Presumably these are to do with the service side (e.g. friends, sharing etc.) rather than something like Nokia Maps (one of the original examples).

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Is there anything left in ovi.com that's worth having and API? Nokia abandoned "share" (and cut back its functionality), "sync" still doesn't work, the store might not benefit from an API probably.... what does it leave us with? Maps. A maps API would indeed be cool.

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I saw Nokia jobs listed recently for people to work on the Share service... maybe not dead yet?

And sync is working for my E71x, but I get the feeling that's not universal. The thing bugging me now is that my Ovi contacts are unavailable for Ovi mail... :confused:

Anyway... even with a device-resident Maps client, some aspects would sure be service-based...

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Since everyone is hijacking the thread, I may as well, just to say that Mer is my main hope for the future and I plan to use it as my only environment on one of the tablets I have -- as soon as I can get it to work decently.

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

The "hijackings" I see (including mine) revolved around APIs/services...

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Who asked ya? :) < obligatory smiley used after a sH**y comment. :p

That's my hope as well geneven.
From what I think I now understand :confused:; Mer is conceived to be Fremantle code that can run on N8**'s and other devices.

I never thought Nokia provided the resources to support the NIT's in anything more than a limited release in the past. Now that Maemo is supposedly front and center, will it have anywhere near the amount of resources that Nokia directed to other devices in the past.

As symbiancentric apps, abilities (widgets, woohoo!), and services are developed to run in Fremantle, I kind o' hoped Mer would be the bridge to our older devices.

BTW, what the heck are all them Nokia executives like the VP of Touch and Feel (or whatever) now going to do with their time; develop and support Maemo projects?

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Texrat:

You probably forgot to look at page 1 of the comments. Here is one that specifically mentioned hijackings. Perhaps you can explain what it had to do with APIs/services:

"sorry to hijack the thread, but I've read extensively about Mer, but don't understand completely, which is what has always scared me about Linux. I understand it that Mer is REPLACEMENT for Maemo/Diablo, but is this true for Freemantle as well? What I mean is is Mer an upgrade or downgrade from Freemantle, or just a quasi Freemantle for legacy devices?"

Here's a couple more from Page 1:

"I'm a little confused about Mer. Wondering the same things. Is it an extension of Maemo or just an alternative? What are the pros and cons?"

"Mer is the next OS for the n800 and n810 tablets. The OS used for n900 will not be compatible with older tablets thus a community effort (sponsored by Nokia partially I think) the next (unofficial?) OS."

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My deepest apologies for thinking those were somewhat within scope. :rolleyes:

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You should have explained to the first commenter that he was wrong and he wasn't hijacking the thread at all. No wonder you put "hijacking" in quotes -- you completely disagreed with his comment claiming to be hijacking the thread. And I presume that General Antilles also disagreed with him, but said nothing until it came time to criticize me for agreeing with his confession of hijacking the thread, and those who followed him.

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wow.

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Anyway... Could a Nokia map client be developed that runs on N8**' devices and accesses Nokia services via the OVI API's.
Does it have to be running Mer or could access to the API's alone allow an independently developed Diablo app do the same thing?

I guess what I'm saying is... I would love access to Nokia Maps on my N8**'s, for that matter a WRT as well.

If widgets and Nokia Maps are available on the Fremantle device, what is stopping them from running in Mer or in independently coded apps running in diablo?

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Now for the win...

Does Maemo devices mean all Maemo devices or just M5 and greater devices?

>> http://www.forum.nokia.com/Ovi/

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It's a whole new ball game boys and girls... assuming Ovi is fixed soon enough.

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The Ovi SDK will be a powerful beast once Nokia puts Maemo on a netbook. They will have single handedly managed to harness the web on all fronts, and computing as well. A MicosoftAppleYahooNintendoopoly!

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Ovi SDK for apps the Nokia way... possibly on the Android and Apple systems (via jailbreak) if Nokia ports Qt to those platforms. As Texrat said, this is a new ballgame, and I think its the Major Leagues.

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ooo... I can just see QT going viral... :eek:

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The Ovi APIs don't have to be a powerful platform, just an open door to integrated services.

Qt will be supported partially in Maemo 5, totally in Hamarratan and partially Symbian^3. Basically making it quite easy for Nokia to build once and run all their devices easily. Add this API and they ensure the next major steps in whatever next major platform there is (hint: the internet is an OS).

The question for Mer is simply whether it will support the door to integrated services built upon HTML/CSS/JS (ahem, same stuff WRT, widgets, Palm's webOS, and Google GWT frameworks use). If not, then Mer is just something to tide folks over, serving to scratch the itch of developers who are happier with the N800/N810, than more current offerings.

Its not that difficult folks... the question is whether some of you here will run with it, or keep to the door that the IT got you into seeing.

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

ARJWright,
There is a Qt Frameworks for S60 right now, but I think it isn't in finished form yet. Not sure.

http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/00...ase_is_out.htm

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

Nope, its not finished yet; but its in the cards for current work within the Symbian Foundation. The key question is whether what Nokia is doing with Maemo and what SF is doing with Symbian will have enough similarities to keep both. Because it would be a waste of resources to use Qt on both sides, and need double the time to get them to talk to each other.

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

Well we may find out soon enough...

... or maybe not. :eek:

In any event I would sure like to get started with WRT at least. However, since I only have the N800 & 810 devices I can not down load widgets to decompile and muck around in. :) I get "Unfortunately your device is not supported at this time... yadda, yadda, yadda."

Are the free ones transferable?..
That is, could some one with an S60 device pass some on once they download them to their device?

@ any and all,
Please PM if this can be done and you have the time and inclination...
Thanks. :)

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To develop Web Runtime Widgets (WRTs), the information is at Forum Nokia. Has been for a long time, and if memory serves right, the last time I asked here about developers doing such things to extend the platform towards its *internet* nature, it was met with silent *somethings.* Maybe now folks will get it.

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

Some get it... but not many. Check out how many replies >> this thread << generated :eek:

I have a memory card full of locally stored pages that reach out to the internet for data with directories full of support images, flash, and java script that I would love to zip up in a single file.

However, I can't get a straight answer with regard to existing wgz files developed for the S60. Will they run on the N900?
If they run, how? and will the runtime be available for the older devices?

There are also quite a few OVI widgets that I know can be made to run on on the N8**'s but since the N8**'s are not listed as compatible devices, we can not download them to make the minor changes that are needed for them to run.

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

From my understanding, those should run just fine. But I don't know the Ovi API to answer that correctly.

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No. Quim is on the record (somewhere, I forget where) saying that WRT isn't on Maemo yet. The Ovi SDK is, interestingly based on W3C widgets (I don't know how, exactly WRT relate to them); and it's unclear if the release of the Ovi SDK (whenever it is) will coincide with the release of WRT for Maemo.

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Yup... I actualy found the quote when I Googled "W3C widgets". He posted on yet another maemo.org forum. :confused:
>> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-dev...r_w3c_widgets/ <<

Andrew Flegg offers the following at the end of that^ thread:

Re: Mer and OVI API's ???
 

Fear not (less?), that's not a new Talk competitor, it's a web-based view of the maemo-developers mailing list.

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No, I'm not fear less.. :D

Yup, I figured that out too... Why call it a forum then? It will eventually add to confusion and/or frustration of new users. Oh well... for another thread perhaps. :rolleyes:

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So basically wait and see...

In the mean time can someone with an s60 device answer me this?

Can a current widget on OVI like >> these << be transfered to another device from the s60 device?

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YoDude,
Your link went to a dead spot. But what do you mean? Can I take a widget install file from my S60 device and send it to another S60 device via BT or USB? Or a Maemo device?