Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?
 

Just wondering if anyone who had gotten their hands on a developer version yet had any examples of the picture or video quality that the N900 takes.

On Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mardytardi/3862538080/ there is a picture of a N900 party and the properties tag looks a little strange. Though if this is an example of a picture I hope that the reason the picture only looks good at a small resolution is because of the uploading compression the phone might do.

Anyone know if this is an actual picture from a N900?

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As you wrote, it's a N900 party, and:

• The camera reported itself as a "007 001", which does look suspiciously like an identifier that might be used by prototype hardware.
• The camera reports that it uses Exampi, which seems quite likely for a Linux-based phone.
• The photo's EXIP data includes GPS information, as photos from the N900 will.

So, it certainly seems possible, even likely.

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maybe another one - http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3862085584/

and one live picture of the device - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdamt/3861126335/

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I wondered about that one but since it didn't have any camera description I wasn't sure. The big thing I am concerned about is if the N900 Party picture is from uploaded from a N900 I hope the compression was set to high because if you look at any larger size than the default the image is very pixelated and blurry. I was hoping that the images from the camera would be on par with the iPhone at least as I am seriously looking to get the N900 and replace place my camera/video camera, phone and laptop with one device. The pictures are what would be a deal breaker for me.

I hope someone can post some examples of pictures and even video eventually that were taken by a N900.

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in that account there is some video and more pics but not sure - http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/

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Samples so far are rather disappointing :(

Bar shot is terrible and the other two (guys making photos and champagne bottles) are heavily downsized.

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I'm happy enough with it. I just want the camera to be good enough so that I can stop carrying around my N95 and it looks like it is. Then again, I'm no professional photographer either. I just like being able to take a quick picture and have it shared online within 30 seconds unlike my wife that spends 20 minutes taking her shot, then takes it home and does post-processing for the next hour or so. ;)

And that seems to be the point of the device as a whole so...

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I'd be happy like you too zerojay if it took photo's like the n95 as in http://www.flickr.com/photos/39984526@N05/3816363528/. Which the wine bottle picture looks decently close but there is no way to tell if that was with a N900. Where the N900 party pic does seem closer to being an actually picture taken and uploaded from the N900 with the camera desription and the photo's content.

Hopefully someone will eventually be allowed to show what the picture quality and video quality look like and say here take a look at these samples.

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Looks like those pics are not full quality. With such a nice camera, I was expecting Point-and-Shoot quality pictures.

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Me too especially with it competing with the iPhone.

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check again http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/

few more photos appeared

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does anyone know if it'll be as easy to share pictures with picassa album than it seems to be with Flickr, Ovi or Facebook ?

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Guys, prototypes typically have bad camera results. Compression algorithms get tweaked before production and steadily increase with updates as they become available. Having used Carl Zeiss cameras exclusively since 2005, I promise you no mobile device will come close for video or photo quality at identical resolutions. That photo was very atypical of what you can expect, and my N93 3.2 mp camera took better shots. Let the engineers optimize the camera and be prepared to ditch your point and shoot camera.

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If pixelpipe comes to Maemo, which I expect, you can upload to nearly every service with simplicity. Its easy on Symbian, at least.

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Flickr, Ovi and Facebook are probably integrated into the tablet. I would expect you can use yerga's SharePy to send to Picasa easily.

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I hope we can develop plug-in for integrating other services.

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I hope it's not as slow as my N95.

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Yeah, I'm waiting to see what have implemented them before of porting it to Fremantle.
If they have something nice to share multimedia, I'll be writing some plugin for other services. I saw some documentation in the wiki the last days about it, and it seemed easy (now it's gone).

An important feature for me is the possibility to upload multiple photos easily. If you have to upload the photos one by one from the gallery to the online service, I'll be porting Sharepy the first day.

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The more megapixels a camera has, the crappier the individual pixels become. Phones shouldn't have more than one or two megapixels, otherwise they can only take decent pictures outdoors on sunny days. This is hte case here, and the case with almost all of these 5mp cameras. I would rather have the same 3mp as the iPhone, or less ideally.

One of the best SLRs for low light photography is the Nikon D40,because it has only 6mp. Compare the size of the D40 to the size of the n900 to see what a 5 or 6mp camera needs to look like to actually take decent photos.

This picture is only 1.3mp, http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimula...29722/sizes/o/ but I doubt anyone would argue that it looks worse than the 5mp pictures from the N900. The colors are better, the lighting is better, the image is sharper and cleaner. This could have been achieved on a cameraphone if the phone had a properly designed 1.3mp sensor instead of a marketing designed 5mp sensor.

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I am not an expert on photography but the advantage of more mpx for me is that i can zoom and crop the photo a little more and still get acceptable clarity. Nokia gives you the option of shooting at any MPx you want to shoot. May be you can use that to shoot 1.3 mega pixel shots.

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It doesn't work that way.

As an example last year Canon announced a 15mp point and shoot. People found that the old 10mp version had the same sharpness, except the files were a lot smaller, it was faster, etc. So last week Canon announced a new version, but this time they went back to 10mp.

The extra megapixels don't actually add more sharpness, they just add more pixels to blurry pictures. If you have a sensor designed from the beginning with larger pixels then you can increase the sensitivity, which gives you sharper pictures. You can increase the sensitivity on a high megapixel camera as well, but because the individual pixels are so small, you will get noise. The camera will try to correct for noise by blurring the picture, so now you are back to where you started.

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@drizek: that's a very sharp picture. was it taken with said Nikon D40?
but comparing a compact (minicule sensor and lens size) with a DSLR wouldn't be fair though...

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I know what you're trying to say, but you're saying it in a misleading way. You just said that a D40 with 6 megapixels is better than a D3 that sports 12. Well it isn't. There are numerous parameters taken into account, like CCD size, the readout noise of individual pixels, etc.

The other thing you're somethat wrong about is color reproduction and sharpness. The higher resolution camera means the bayer RGB array is spread out through more pixels, so the 5Mpix cam *CAN* make FAR better (sharper and better colors) 1.3Mpix photo than a 1.3Mpix camera if it's implemented correctly. If it's crap, it's crap, but it's not the pixel COUNT that makes it crap (it's just a part of the equation).

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No EXIF metadata found.

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Picture from n900

http://web1.twitpic.com/img/26193470...8273a-full.jpg

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This one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimula...86898/sizes/o/
isn't bad. I would say it is on par with N97 examples I saw.

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I really wouldn't rely on sample photos from prototypes, we've seen quite a lot of prototype S60 models on All About Symbian where the photo compression algorithms changed completely between the prototype and production models.

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Looks quality wise from old proto imho.

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Have you got a link to the twitpic page which links to that image, as it looks like direct linking isn't working and I was looking for a higher-res version than your attachment.
"The photo you were looking for has been deleted." :(

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Anyone else notice that since we have been referring to aSIULAtor's Flick Photo's all the ones we were thinking were from a N900 have been removed. I wonder is that was because we stirred something up and they shouldn't have been posted. Maybe those were real picks.

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Yeah i noticed that. I would imagine those were prototype photos and the final product will be better. That may be the reason.

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Sorry for quoting myself, but it's related to the topic:

I have a fresh proto and firmware up to date. Usually that green light comes only with the sales start, precisely to avoid that consumers make conclusions based on unfinished software/hardware.

But if you happen to find me an afternoon in the leikkipuisto with my kids, I will show you. ;)

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hi :)

just to make things clear, these images and videos that everyone seems to be speculating about were taken with my Panasonic Lumix point and shoot cam (FX500 to be exact - and it's a good camera, I just resize them for the web). If you're wondering about the smaller crappy images..well, they were taken with an iphone (gasp). All this information can also be found on my profile info on flickr... ;)

In regards to photos being deleted..can't a girl do some quality control? :) i tend to do this all the time with my flickr account, i upload some useless photos that i change my mind about whether or not i want to show them...

@Chilko, sorry for the lame answer I gave you in that photo you questioned about, i was just really using a bit of vague and mysterious words for you to wonder about :P

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Thanks for coming and talking to us... please, come by more often. Don't be a stranger. :)

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:) hehe...will do, Maemo rules! :D

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Do you intend to try to convince anyone here that the 3mp camera in the iPhone is better than the 3mp camera in the 5800xm? That the iPhone camera at 3mp takes better quality photos than the N95 at 5mp? That the N95 is better than the N86 at 8mp? The fact of the matter is that although your first sentence is true in general purpose, there are many other factors that can influence image quality, such as the processing algorithms, the lens package, the physical size of the sensor, and other things.

I'd assume you've never had a flagship model Nseries phone in the last 5 years. They are THE leaders in cameraphone technology, with technology and patents shared with Kodak and Carl Zeiss as well, an unmatched combination you'll definitely change your mind about once you try one. This is the exact same camera module from the N97, so images should be similar in quality, i.e. excellent.

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I agree with zerojay. Thanks for stopping by and letting us know. asimulator.

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Ok thanks, I didn't know that... will test on my E71 in the meantime

I didn't know about sharepy neither, thanks :D

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I didn't say that the iPhone camera was better, we haven't been able to compare them yet. What I was saying is that apples decision to go with 3mp instead of 5 was a good one. The E86 has a large sensor, basically the same as the one on a point n shoot. Still, the pictures are not as good as what you get from an 8mp canon, but they are definitely acceptable.

Post processing, storage, uploading photos is a huge issue on phones. They don't have dedicated image processing hardware, and they can't store and upload large file sizes. So when you have these large megapixel files, in order to be able to process and upload them efficiently you have to compromise quality for performance and then quality for file size. A smaller mp file can be better processed and stored with less compression while retaining the same or smaller file size.

Yes, it isn't pixel count, it is pixel density. Most phones have about the same sensor size though, so there isn't much difference in comparing count and density. Yes, it is true that a giant sensor with a ton of megapixels slooks better, but high pixel density does lead to a reduction in many aspects of picture quality. Most important is the addition of noise, but the other major issue is the reduction in dynamic range. Olympus SLRs had problems with dynamic range up until recently and this was at least in part due to them having a high pixel density than canon or nikon cameras. Of course, improvements in sensor design can overcome these issues, but for now, I would rather phone manufacturers kept mp counts down. Of course, we havent seen any pictures taken with the final device yet, so maybe it is better than what some of the pics that were taken down look like.