N900 and USA market (T-Mobile)
 

Nokia said they want to gain share in USA market, the biggest world market. Even they said they want to be #1 in USA, like they are in the world.
There is tough competition in USA, the latest T-Mobile phone having "Google" logo on the back - a sort of Google phone (running Android), Apple iPhone, RIM Blackberry, Palm Pre, HTC Android and Windows Mobile devices...

Nokia marketing had big problems having the smartphones on USA carriers, and masses are not willing to pay $700 for a smartphone, so if it is not subsidized at $299 it is hard to sell in USA. Carriers are important.

Initially there were rumors N900 will be subsidized on T-Mobile network. N900 has T-Mobile frequencies. Is this gonna be true?

Does Nokia need AT&T and Verizon operators for a future version of N900 (or a Maemo smarthphone)?
Will Nokia support CDMA and not only GSM for Maemo smartphones?

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It WILL be on TMO, most likely at around $249-279, but possibly $199 to compete with Apple. Nokia is already letting people in other countries finance their phones, so they're flexible about getting it in people's hands.

BTW, does Apple need Verizon, Sprint, or TMo to sell iPhones?

Nokia just needs to get the Maemo video on Maemo.Nokia.com on TV, get some "only on TMobile" action going, and send me a gift model for such great advice, which I gave out a year ago. LOL

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Maybe nokia doesn't necessarily want or need to sell this phone to every american it can. From what it looks like, they are launching first in germany and italy and the n900 is not even on the nokia US site.

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Of course not. Nokia World needs the thunder. After Nokia world, it'll be there.

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You have to understand AT&T is the second largest provider in the US @ 78 million subscribers. For apple starting out; going with AT&T or Verizon was the best options. Go with one of the two largest vendors.

TMO is only @ 33 million.
Verizon is @ 88 Million
Even Sprint has more US customers than TMO.

If you add several of the CDMA subscribers together you have a 170 million between a handful of providers. Making a single CDMA version of the phone could unlock a huge market in the USA for Nokia. Adding AT&T bands could unlock another 80 million subscribers. So if your Nokia, would you settle for only targeting a maximum potenial of 11% of the market or going for like 100% of the market by just adding two additional versions of the phone. Even if they decided to blow off AT&T (because of the iphone penetration on AT&T) and just add CDMA they would at be targeting 73% of the USA market...

Nathan

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They just need to play commercials like this all over and the kiddies will me going mad in the streets, heheh :eek::eek::D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_uRmoy8Fs

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Sad news?

Just found this on a blog

http://www.nokiamobiletalk.com/2009/...volution-nw09/

And let me correct one last pet peeve of mine. Many tech review sites are calling the N900 by it’s part number (RX-51). Was the iPhone 3G ever mentioned in any review site as “MB504 B”? The Codename of the N900 is Rover, and will likely NOT be carried by T-Mobile USA, although it is likely to be carried by T-Mobile Europe. T-Mobile in the US does not like Nokia N series of devices because of Nokia’s unwillingness to cripple their product, Apple on the other hand…?

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Great news (if true), I was hoping for an unlocked device that still supported the T-mobile 3G bands--I'd really like to avoid the T-mo cripple.

When you think about it, this is the model for the N-Series Nokia smartphones that work on AT&T 3G: almost all of them are sold unlocked as well.

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Actually speaking it is good news. But they have to release an unlocked phone with at&t bands also....

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Poll is missing my selection.

Come on, man, just start adding an "Other" at the bottom of the list...

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Since the N900 supports the 3G AWS band of T-Mo US (and other reasons), it does not make sense that it would not be sold by T-Mo US.

I am aware that some carriers have required features such as BT and WiFi to be crippled from smartphones, but not T-Mo US. Does anyone know of such an instance, what phone and what feature?

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Remember also that there are many insidious ways of crippling. Maybe features won't get cut, but software updates can be blocked and crapware get installed.... At least this is what carriers do here anyway.

If the N900 doesn't reach the US market with a subsidy, because the carrier wants to cripple it and Nokia don't, then kudos to Nokia and the fault lies in the carrier and the customers that let those abuses happen.

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I believe I read recently that the US is racist against phones from other countries. :-X

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they need to put this video on a commercial in US

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsbuZFv0C0Q

People here are so used to just doing whatever the carrier says they can do, they will probably think this is illegal

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A lot of US bloggers and analysts definitely seem to be like that...

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The problems with statements like this is unless this person works for Nokia or T-Mobile at a high level they don't know. Like the iPhone a deal like this includes exclusive rights to the phone. I don't think Nokia would go thru all this work to support the T-Mobile bands just to exclude the NA market. T-Mobile might see this a way to build market share, especially since they don't have the Pre or iPhone. But I imagine we'll see tomorrow :)

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We keep talking about crippling, but this phone would be very hard if not impossible to cripple. The best they could do is block traffic for things such as VOIP. Given you have root access you could remove any "crapware" that gets installed.

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You seem to be painting all US carriers with the same brush. Verizon for example is known to have crippled BT and WiFi. I am not aware that T-MO has done that.

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T-Mobile did limit 3rd party Java apps on some phones... the Nokia 5300 or 6086 if I remember correctly a couple years back.

I can't name of too many incidents though.

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Sometimes "crippling" is passive aggressive. Service providers with the their own networks have been known to throttle bandwidth of competing services for example.

Ah, (the bastardized version of) net neutrality...

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I don't want Nokia to be popular in the US, it's fine as it is, Unlocked phones are the way to go.

But obviously I want to have my Nokia with ATT 3G, T-Mobile has bad reception in my area.

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/09/01/i...ers/index.html

;)

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Actually as far as i remember when there was first news about the n900 from mobile crunch i remember quim or someone official who actually laughed at the t.m.o being t-mobile.... so i am still doubtful about t-mobile USA getting this one.

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I could see the n900 being the #2 phone in the market.

The n900 will have exchange integration, right? And it has a bigger keyboard, which might lure people using blackberries to a phone which has the basic things they need from the blackberries but can do nice multimedia stuff too. So I am wondering if it will take market share away from blackberries.

But it really needs to be on ATT.

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@sarahn: you need BlackBerry Connect to lure the crackberries off what they're on (me included). The lock-in by Blackberry Messenger is quite strong.

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The thing that made me think why T-Mobile 3G bands were used was that perhaps the N900 would be a UMA handset. As far as I know ATT does not offer this service. This would be a pretty neat feature for users who have not/cannot set up google voice type call forwarding to use VOIP.

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Any news yet from NW09 about the N900 release date (and carrier) in the USA?

EDIT: and price? Subsidized? Not?

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Why is Nokia making all tablet owners make a sudden change to a new carrier? That seems destructive. Atleast continue to let us bluetooth connect to our Nokia AT&T phones.
I mean you make three tablets which seemlessly connect to Nokias at&t phones leaving the maemo community to pretty much create the devices for you then suddenly you switch carriers? You force the people who made your maemo devices what they are today to enter new contracts? Seems destructive unless we can still bluetooth tether to our Nokia phones.

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I hate to be a jackass... but I find some serious irony in an opensource phone isn't fully supported on all US Carriers.

Well, it just shows the state of affairs in the US carriers really... bleh.

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well, the software is open source, but the hardware decisions by nokia are what make a phone compatible with certain operators.

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I posted this in another thread; but I think most the US people are interested...

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...#/main/landing

Is the link to the N900 page.

Notify me button is broken. Chatted with a Rep online, said it was being launched for preorder at end of week. ;-D

Nathan.

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This is the link:
http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...#/main/landing

OK, but is it gonna be on T-Mobile in USA? No official word yet...

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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...600#post320600
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wire...d=25125&view=3

ATT freq?!?!

anyone going to pre-order? im so tempted. lol

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Since, AFAIK, there have been no FCC test docs sighted for a N900/RX-51 with AT&T 3g bands...I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Most likely it's an error caused by cut-n-paste and will be corrected down the road to reflect the tmo 3g bands that the device (as reported via the FCC docs) actually has.

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Nothing announced at Nokia World about any N900 in USA - with T-Mobile?

Again Nokia is out of tracks in USA. If it does not get a carrier, the devices are way to expensive and unaffordable, so they are not popular...

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After making some calls to my Nokia distributor contacts, I don't think N900 is set to release in most countries in Australasia either. WTF??

So this is for Europe mainly and limited US release or what?

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I didn't see any announcements specific to t-mobile in the U.S. carrying the device via subsidy, though being here in the U.S. I might have missed something. However, I don't see how Nokia would include the 1700 band on the device and not have T-mobile in mind. If their plan was to sell them in the U.S. as an unlocked-only option, the AT&T bands would have been a much better choice given the size of the market in terms of overall customers in both the U.S. and Canada using 850/1900.

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Nokia is seriously trying to change the landscape of locked phones in the US. That is one of the biggest reasons it is losing market share in the US big time. Nokia should understand that it is a lost cause because the americans really dont care about unlocked phones. I come from India and understand the advantage of locked phones and cheap pre-paid plans. Unfortunately most americans will not understand that because they have been always using locked phones from the beginning. For them it is ridiculous to spend more than 300$ on a phone. Although they do spend more than any unlocked plan + data plan combo compared to a locked phone which is subsidized by the carrier.

I really hope the FCC does something about that..... lets see. I had hope that n900 would come to the t-mobile but doesn't look so.

I guess i have to buy it unlocked.

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even Ray Charles can see this is for TMobile. Only they have a network in the US that uses that frequency. No one else at this time.

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For those that keep debating whether the N900 will or will not be available from T-MO USA, the specs for 3G, from the Nokia web site are this:

Quad-band EGSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 900/1700/2100

WCDMA is the 3G part and the only carrier at the moment that uses 1700/2100 for 3G is T-MO USA. So there really can't be any other answer than yes, it will be on T-MO USA. The question is WHEN will it be available, not IF it will be available.

Most 3G technologies require 2 bands, 1 for upload and 1 for download. In most EU countries, the band pairing is typically 1900/2100, so again, from the tech specs, the initial release does not appear to be optimized for dual band non-US 3G. In the case of T-MO US, 1700 is the upload band, 2100 is the download band. It is quite possible to have single band 3G, in that case it is most often 2100. So, I assume that at least for the phones that were seen at Nokia World, they were probably using T-Mobile Germany, and the 2100 band for 3G.

Side comment. The 1700/2100 will actually be expanding, soon to be in the "Americas" in general, i.e. Canada, Mexico, Chile, Colombia. I believe that Japan also has this frequency and will begin using it at some point.

One final point on the T-Mobile discussion overall, if you count all of T-Mobile's subscriber base worldwide, they have over 150 Million subscribers, so, not a bad pool of users to focus on for the initial release of the N900. Go T-Mobile!