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badger 2009-09-06 17:41

Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Looks like the Mail for Exchange application doesn't support all of the password enforcement features its possible to set on an exchange server...

The sample I have only allows a numeric password to be set - My sysadmin is enforcing a alphanumeric password...

Had the same issue on most s60 nSeries devices other than eSeries & n97...

Hope they rectify this before launch or there will be a lot of angry customers who are looking to use this device for business purposes and cannot.

konttori 2009-09-06 19:48

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
are you kidding? Of course you have alphanum password support there.

pelago 2009-09-06 20:17

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 322746)
Looks like the Mail for Exchange application doesn't support all of the password enforcement features its possible to set on an exchange server...

Where did you get this from?

Andre Klapper 2009-09-07 08:00

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Without any source this is just FUD and something to ignore.... Plesae come up with a source.

badger 2009-09-07 11:40

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
I have a device and I have tested it myself.

When trying to set a password in Settings > Device Lock. It only accepts a numeric lock code....

When connecting to a Exchange Server which enforces a 6 letter password, needing uppercase, lowercase and numbers - It fails everytime. Same settings work on e71 without issue.

My conslusion for this is that the security framework doesnt support alphanumeric passwords - Just like older nSeries devices, they were missing TARM.

http://blogs.nokia.com/s60blogs/inde...inistration_r/

qhorse 2009-09-07 11:42

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Well, I hope this get fixed as this is a MUST for me as well.

Email is 50% of the usage of my e71 at the moment and I expect the N900 to be up to the task...

badger 2009-09-07 11:48

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Agreed - My firmware is early and I hope that this gets fixed in a later update.

sjgadsby 2009-09-07 12:04

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 323104)
When trying to set a password in Settings > Device Lock. It only accepts a numeric lock code....

When connecting to a Exchange Server which enforces a 6 letter password, needing uppercase, lowercase and numbers - It fails everytime.

These two functions and their password are entirely unrelated and independent of one another.

ragnar 2009-09-07 12:13

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Yes, you're now a bit confused. Alphanumerics work fine with Exchange.

Device lock has nothing to do with Exchange, it's for the device itself.

Jaffa 2009-09-07 13:40

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Remember, Mail for Exchange deals with syncing contacts, calendar (singular usage intended :-(), email etc.

It's not like group policies you get on Windows authenticated to Active Directory (and presumably on Windows Mobile too)

badger 2009-09-07 14:47

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 323123)
Yes, you're now a bit confused. Alphanumerics work fine with Exchange.

Device lock has nothing to do with Exchange, it's for the device itself.

They are directly connected.

When you sync a new device with an Exchange Server, the first thing it does is enforce a its policy to the device. In most cases this includes a password policy - Mine enforces a alphanumeric password.

As the device cannot handle the enforcement of a alphanumeric password, the M4E client will not continue with the sync session and error.

If the device lock functionality cannot support alphanumeric passwords, M4E is dooomed in most mid > large business.

RipTorn 2009-09-08 07:00

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
The device lock is just a lock to stop pressing buttons while in the pocket and stop people using it without asking. It's never been part of the Mail support.

I can't say I've ever seen Exchange force any policy onto any Linux devices I've used with it; short of its own authentication it demands.

badger 2009-09-08 13:18

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Its part of the Exchange Protocol.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc182279.aspx

This applys to any device which syncs with an Exchange server. Windows Mobile, eSeries Symbian, iPhone all support password enforcement (invoke the device lock after x minutes, require password to unlock).

Gorgon 2009-09-08 18:37

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RipTorn (Post 323570)
The device lock is just a lock to stop pressing buttons while in the pocket and stop people using it without asking. It's never been part of the Mail support.

I can't say I've ever seen Exchange force any policy onto any Linux devices I've used with it; short of its own authentication it demands.

This is part of device security which Exchange ActiveSync will require you to activate and to set a password. It has done this with my E71, N95, Moto Q and my iPhone at work. Our Exchange servers only require that the default lock password be changed without strict password policies.

mikec 2009-09-08 19:20

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
This IS definitely part of MFE security policy.

But my password is all numeric on my E71 and it works, so assume my V large company feels this is OK. But I'm sure they may change it in the future, so would be really good to make sure this gets fixed.

Mike C

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 06:54

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 323182)
They are directly connected.

No. They are not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 323182)
When you sync a new device with an Exchange Server, the first thing it does is enforce a its policy to the device. In most cases this includes a password policy - Mine enforces a alphanumeric password.

OK. And it is up to device to take this into use or not.

Quote:

As the device cannot handle the enforcement of a alphanumeric password, the M4E client will not continue with the sync session and error.
WHY? MfE client has nothing to do with device lock. Those systems in N900 are totally independent. Not like in S60 device you have seen before.

So, what sync problems can occur if device safely ignores this "enforcement"? Why sync will stop to work?

Quote:

If the device lock functionality cannot support alphanumeric passwords, M4E is dooomed in most mid > large business.
Again. Those systems are independent in maemo.

And it sounds brilliant for me as with this "really intelligent" MfE logic in S60 I have lost all my data in S60 phone including photos from my vacations. Just because in one not-so-wonderful moment I have forgotten my password and S60 reformatted my phone :-(

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 06:56

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 323704)
Its part of the Exchange Protocol.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc182279.aspx

This applys to any device which syncs with an Exchange server. Windows Mobile, eSeries Symbian, iPhone all support password enforcement (invoke the device lock after x minutes, require password to unlock).

It is up to device how shall it support this part of ActiveSync protocol specification.

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 06:58

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgon (Post 323888)
This is part of device security which Exchange ActiveSync will require you to activate and to set a password.

Not maemo implementation. Thanks, God!

Quote:

It has done this with my E71, N95, Moto Q and my iPhone at work.
The same for be. But not with Maemo. And this is something I love!

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 07:04

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badger (Post 323704)

Keep ion mind - the link above tells about Windows ActiveSync implementations.

"Security Policies on Windows Mobile Powered Devices Managed by Exchange Server"

N900 device is powered by Maemo (linux based OS), not WIndows Mobile.

mikec 2009-10-17 08:13

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Has anyone got MfE working with their corporate servers?

Mike C

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 09:19

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec (Post 349399)
Has anyone got MfE working with their corporate servers?

Mike C

Me. Without any issues. Exchange 2007 is used in our organization.

mikec 2009-10-17 09:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 349426)
Me. Without any issues. Exchange 2007 is used in our organization.

Does your Organisation enforce device lock?

Mike C

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 09:44

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec (Post 349435)
Does your Organisation enforce device lock?

Mike C

Yes. And S60 implementation annoys me with request to set autolock "otherwise the data will not be synced". (Which is not true, but this is another story).

Maemo implementation just works as expected and does not bother me with lock requests.

mikec 2009-10-17 09:48

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Vitaly

many thanks for this, I had assumed my E71 asking me to do the device lock dance was a function of exchange.

but good to hear it all works.

Mike C

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 09:58

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec (Post 349444)
Vitaly

many thanks for this, I had assumed my E71 asking me to do the device lock dance was a function of exchange.

Yes. This is how this function is implemented in S60. Server asks S60 MfE client, S60 MfE client asks you (end-user).

Quote:

but good to hear it all works.
Mike C
In Maemo it just does not force you to do this. That's all.

Kypeli 2009-10-17 10:00

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Has anyone else had problems with calendar event sync in the N900? If I do a full manual sync from the settings, I get the calendar events, but I would expect the N900 to fetch calendar events as well as part of the normal sync.

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 10:09

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kypeli (Post 349451)
Has anyone else had problems with calendar event sync in the N900? If I do a full manual sync from the settings, I get the calendar events, but I would expect the N900 to fetch calendar events as well as part of the normal sync.


Yes. This is how it works for me. And what do you mean as a "full" manual sync? Resynchronization option?

If you experience problems with calendar sync through MfE, could you put more details about the issue?

Kypeli 2009-10-17 10:13

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 349454)
Yes. This is how it works for me. And what do you mean as a "full" manual sync? Resynchronization option?

If you experience problems with calendar sync through MfE, could you put more details about the issue?

Yes, the resync option somewhere in the settings/options (sorry, haven't got my device here right now so I cannot check...). I assume this might have been some one time problem, but I will post here if I notice problems in the future.

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 10:17

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kypeli (Post 349457)
Yes, the resync option somewhere in the settings/options (sorry, haven't got my device here right now so I cannot check...). I assume this might have been some one time problem, but I will post here if I notice problems in the future.


What server do you use for syncing? Exchange 2007 or something else?

vitaly_repin 2009-10-17 10:17

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 349460)
What server do you use for syncing? Exchange 2007 or something else?

And does "manual sync" (just normal manual sync, not re-sync) help?

Kypeli 2009-10-17 10:29

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 349461)
And does "manual sync" (just normal manual sync, not re-sync) help?

Ok, so this is how it works for me.

I have set Mail for Exchange to *not* sync automatically, but I want to go to the Email application and from there do a "Send & Receive". I assumed this would also update my Calendar as in the settings for Mail for Exchange I have "Synchronise calendar and tasks" enabled. Is my assumption correct?

I can't see a way to manually request a calendar update from the Calendar application.

Also in Mail for Exchange settings I see "Last syncronisation" as "Today, ...". And as I said earlier "Synchronise manually" from Mail for Exchange settings syncs my calendar as well.

So my question would be now that is it required to have automatic sync enabled in order for the calendar to also be synced?

Yes, I am using Exchange Server 2007.

andybehr 2009-10-17 23:31

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Active Sync can require a specific device look.

Integration into the enterprise world is more than just syncing mails.

A Exchange Server can refuse syncing if the device does not support certain policies or encryption standards. Ask anyone with a 1st or 2nd gen iPhone (no hardware encryption).

daveb70 2009-10-18 03:52

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
For those who aren't familiar with the security settings configuration pages relating to Badger's original statement, linked below is a screenshot from Exchange 2003. Note- this is how we manage our small number of iPhones (not a single WinMo) with password enforcement where I work. The BES handles the vast majority of our mobiles- Blackberries of all sorts.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6...spropertie.jpg

HTH

Jason404 2009-10-18 07:39

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
When syncing with Exchange, do all email features work? I use Colour Categories a lot (GTD) and appointment Flags. Are they supported in the Maemo email software at all?

Are there any issues with Tasks and Contacts? Are the contact fields in the Maemo contacts software sufficient?

I am planning on getting a personal Exchange server VM sorted out especially for this, so I would appreciate some comments on how I can use the N900 for these things.

vitaly_repin 2009-10-19 15:15

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kypeli (Post 349465)
Ok, so this is how it works for me.

I have set Mail for Exchange to *not* sync automatically, but I want to go to the Email application and from there do a "Send & Receive". I assumed this would also update my Calendar as in the settings for Mail for Exchange I have "Synchronise calendar and tasks" enabled. Is my assumption correct?

No. It will receive only your mail. You can do manual sync from control panel applet. There is a special big button "Synchronize manually". Could you try with it?

Quote:

I can't see a way to manually request a calendar update from the Calendar application.
There is no. You need to use control panel applet for manual sync and configuration settings (the same control panel) to configure scheduled sync.

Quote:

And as I said earlier "Synchronise manually" from Mail for Exchange settings syncs my calendar as well.
OK. I got you differently. I understood that the only way to sync was to open configuration applet, open settings and ress "full re-sync". But as of now it works as expected.

Quote:

So my question would be now that is it required to have automatic sync enabled in order for the calendar to also be synced?
The ways to sync calendar with MfE:

1) Using scheduled sync
2) Using manual sync (from configuration panel applet)

Yes, I am using Exchange Server 2007.[/QUOTE]

cayle 2009-10-19 17:04

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Vitaly,

Thanks for checking this out for us. You are syncing directly over the air to Exchange 2007 right, not using a desktop connection?

Have you seen any support for using Exchange ActiveSync Push protocols to update Mail, Contacts, or Calendar? I was hoping that Nokia would have implemented Push, because then I could recommend an n900 instead of a WinMo device to the big bosses upstairs. Their meetings are handled by secretaries and change too fast for them to be called all the time to be told to resync their calendars, and syncing would have to be scheduled every at least every 15 minutes.

For my own use, as long as I can schedule it to sync the calendar every day that would be fine. Email needs to be nearly instantaneous, though.

Cayle

vitaly_repin 2009-10-20 08:20

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cayle (Post 351451)
Vitaly,

Thanks for checking this out for us. You are syncing directly over the air to Exchange 2007 right, not using a desktop connection?

Sure.

We have test server in our organization. I am going to ask to configure it in the way shown in the post #33 and check how N900 client will behave.

Quote:

Have you seen any support for using Exchange ActiveSync Push protocols to update Mail, Contacts, or Calendar? I was hoping that Nokia would have implemented Push, because then I could recommend an n900 instead of a WinMo device to the big bosses upstairs.
Push (is is called "Always On" in the settings) is implemented for Mail, Contacts and Calendar.

Jason404 2009-10-20 08:29

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Is there support for Outlook's Colour Categories in the mail program and MfE?

vitaly_repin 2009-10-20 08:54

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason404 (Post 352362)
Is there support for Outlook's Colour Categories in the mail program and MfE?

No. There is no support for this feature.

Jason404 2009-10-20 09:04

Re: Poor Mail for Exchange Support
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 352371)
No. There is no support for this feature.

Oh no. That's bad news for me.

I hope MS Office Mobile arrives on Maemo soon, and supports this.


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