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gerbick 2009-09-08 01:12
Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
I seriously thought I had seen it all.

Over the weekend, ran into a computer that a friend had been using for over 3 years without any virus protection and had some rather bad habits (read: trying to get free stuff; free music, free movies, free ringtones... which lead to free viruses) and they had 897 viruses - not different kinds, about 50 different kinds, an IRC daemon and apparently a share on their hard drive that was being used to stage files and they were also sending out virus laden e-mails (machine was a zombie).

And my comment was "You should run something more secure, like OS X or Linux." They said "I can't run Linux without Windows..." and had a link ready.

This link: http://rixstep.com/1/1/20070724,00.shtml

Wow.

nwerneck 2009-09-08 01:34
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Scary!!! :eek:

geneven 2009-09-08 01:48
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
This guy apparently started out as a "complete Mac head".

So he has an excuse for not knowing what he's talking about :)

jperez2009 2009-09-08 01:59
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
I dunno. That whole article sounds VERY sarcastic, but I've never read any of his previous stuff, so if he's actually being serious, he might want to stop talking now before he gets decapitated by Windows/Mac/Linux users.

Vista twice as fast a XP? Maybe if you removed the GUI and all the services...

If, again, he's being serious, I wonder if he knows how Microsoft and Apple got their GUI's. Xerox anyone?

Jesse~

Thesandlord 2009-09-08 02:04
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Its a joke right?


RIGHT???

Ok, it looks like it is, this is freaking hilarious!

Quote:
It is saddening to see articles like this that talk about building computing systems, and leave out the necessary costs involved with properly licensing the operating software. There is an unwritten suggestion within the article that the user could somehow bypass these costs ? or worse - choose a system (Ubuntu), which will lead the user into the dark and uncharted world of freeware - a world where the true costs are frighteningly hidden in the details.

I would suggest that in building any computing aparatus, one first selects the software required, and then builds the rest of system around that.

At the center of this choice would be the Windows Vista of course - preferably in the Business edition, at a low price of $299.

That leaves $200 left, and for that money one could purchase a quality case for about $50, a Microsoft keyboard and Mouse combo .. another $50, and a Motherboard for $100.

Now - anyone with experience in the computing IT industry would know that prices for CPU's, RAM memory, and Hard Disk memory always drop significantly over time.

A top of the line processor, RAM memory and Hard Disk memory may cost $1000 at today's prices - however, in a short time frame, these will cost only $200. And so, the wise buyer, by strategically delaying their purchase order, will save $800.

A good quality 19" monitor - another $200.

Microsoft Office - add $400

Now lets do the figures :
$499 for the purchase of the initial equipment.
+ $200 for the upgrades later on.
- $800 savings by delaying the CPU / RAM / Disk purchase
+ $200 for a monitor
+ $400 for Microsoft Officce
=
$499 total

There you have it - a perfectly 'decent' computing machine with a legal and licenced copy of operating software (and $1 in change) vs $500 for a somewhat hobbled Ubuntu machine that leaves its user with undeclared balance sheet liablity for patent infringements.

Like so many other independent studies have found before .. A properly licensed Microsoft solution is not only the safer option, but also the lower cost option as well.

daperl 2009-09-08 02:12
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Go to the forum section. He's yankin' people's chains. That guy's an anti-Microsoft fanatic. No need to pay him a visit. :)

Here's an example.

Lord Raiden 2009-09-08 02:16
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
lol. I heard something similar to this a few years back from another guy. Apparently he thought that nothing could run on a computer without Microsoft Windows.

dormant 2009-09-08 02:18
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
It can't be a joke because it's not funny.

jperez2009 2009-09-08 02:20
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
I figured as much. The whole article seemed very sarcastic, almost making fun of the whole comparison. I actually have to say, thumbs up for a "sike" attempt. :p

Jesse~

jaem 2009-09-08 06:46
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
The JerryLeeCooper blog is old news, but if the OP's friend actually believed it, that's pretty bad.

tso 2009-09-08 07:36
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaem (Post 323562)
The JerryLeeCooper blog is old news, but if the OP's friend actually believed it, that's pretty bad.
thats a problem with irony and sarcasm online, even with a big fat smiley at the end, there are those that will take the content for face value, and things will go down hill from there...

another issue is that one can go online with a preconceived notion, and find things that will back it up, apparently no matter how wild...

ysss 2009-09-08 07:55
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
If you didn't even consider that was a joke after reading more than an 'article', then you should be asking who's the naive one here ;)

ysss 2009-09-08 09:10
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
@Jay: yeah but those people are either offline or hanging out at 4chan..

Lord Raiden 2009-09-08 13:16
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Well, there's gullible, naive and then there's just outright ignorant. Of course, the magic 4th category is "not gullible, but rather selfishly stubborn". Case in point. Someone is making lots of cash off Microsoft Windows, but they can't or refuse to find a way to make money off anything else, so they pretend like other truths are merely lies by other self interested people. IE, their greed makes them think that everyone else is greedy too and is trying to steal away their fortune. *rolls eyes*

Texrat 2009-09-08 13:20
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
The problem is that he just didn't quite pull off the satire. He needed to go just a little further over the top...

gerbick 2009-09-08 14:05
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 323701)
Case in point. Someone is making lots of cash off Microsoft Windows, but they can't or refuse to find a way to make money off anything else, so they pretend like other truths are merely lies by other self interested people.
Hey!! I resemble that remark waaaaay too close for comfort.

I'm a MCDBA and I make my money from Microsoft simply because it's always in demand. I also support Linux, AIX and HP-UX, but during even my most downtimes, I make money from Microsoft. And I'd like to think it's because of my expertise; however it's more than likely due to the sheer number of "admins" (notice the quotes) that make bad decisions, destroy a cluster, a PDC/BDC, or AD domain and... well, I get the call.

On the *nix side of things... I don't deal with that kind of ignorance. The problems are usually more intricate and custom per client.

Anyway, the fact that my friend actually looked at the article to support their love for Windows was a defense mechanism. They're reluctant to change because of familiarity... which honestly, affects Linux and Mac users as well. People are downright fearful of other workflows... I personally love different OS's because it keeps me on my toes.

But I'm part of that magical fourth group... I make my money from Microsoft. And I'm an addict... ;)

ColdFusion 2009-09-08 14:15
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Just make him dualboot Linux. When he sees that the system works faster because there're no viruses and adware, he'll start using it more and eventually switch over altogether.

gerbick 2009-09-08 14:24
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
I took his hard drive. He's on punishment.

Lord Raiden 2009-09-08 15:09
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Quote:
And I'd like to think it's because of my expertise; however it's more than likely due to the sheer number of "admins" (notice the quotes) that make bad decisions, destroy a cluster, a PDC/BDC, or AD domain and... well, I get the call.
haha. Yeah, I've had people like that before. One of my best "fixes" is to setup a user on a machine with Linux, and tell them that it's a new and special version of Windows. When they ask about it further, you say that it has such good security, compared with just "regular" Windows, that if an app won't run, then "Windows" has rejected it because it's most likely malware and they shouldn't use it anymore. Oddly, it works more often than you'd think. lol.

ColdFusion 2009-09-08 15:18
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Hahaha! That's genius! You can also tell them that it's a special super secure Windows made for the government or something like that :D

Lord Raiden 2009-09-08 18:15
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Yeah. Oddly though, it also does a beautiful job of stopping them from running stupid apps that they shouldn't. :D

KristianW 2009-09-09 15:22
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Something I read illustrates nicely
why Lord Raiden's method can become necessary :

"Never argue with an idiot,
they drag you down to their level
and beat you with experience."

bobthebuilder 2009-09-09 20:44
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
"Linux does not get Windows live updates."
While a true statement is ultimately as ludicrous as the blog posted above and aparently was really taught to Best Buy employees.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/...o-trash-linux/

ysss 2009-09-09 20:55
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Guys, I got another good news source for you guys to analyze..

http://www.theonion.com

=P

bobthebuilder 2009-09-09 20:58
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_y...-probably.html

It has some hilarious slides, really put out by microsoft....
Linux is hard to update?
Guess they have not used Ubuntu, its easier to update than windows xp...no need to use IE to set it up.

ysss 2009-09-09 21:07
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 324503)
lol.. my personal favorite is their clickwheel interface:

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide..._revolutionary

mirror:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA

qole 2009-09-09 22:27
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
Ok, I'm about to Godwin this thread, but it is actually on-topic.

I just heard on the news that some Americans are saying that President Obama is like Hitler because of his proposed health care reforms. Turns out that Rush Limbaugh is somehow involved.

This blog has a couple of entries about the phenomenon.

Quote:
...these people are everywhere, and many of them really do believe that President Obama is the new Hitler and any attempt at health care reform is the equivalent of the T4 euthanasia program...
Ok, so my opinion of people just sank even lower... :(

EDIT: Yikes.

Attack_attack 2009-09-15 20:10
Re: Wow. Linux can't "run without Windows"...
 
haha, i dont care if it's fake. i still lolled :P


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